If it turns out the current back room is actually pretty godlike:
1. We're all doomed.
2. We'll just revert back to this back room, no harm was done. Worst case scenario: people have to spend a little bit of time inviting people back, oh well.
If it turns out the current back room is indeed rather silly:
1. Yay.
So you're just poking at holes with a stick, hoping nothing comes out to bite you.
Just wanna single this out...
2. We'll just revert back to this back room, no harm was done. Worst case scenario: people have to spend a little bit of time inviting people back, oh well.
Removing a powerful usergroup TWICE is pretty dangerous for the community. It'd be pretty unstable with power being passed back and forth like that, it's easier said than done. Plus, you'd be faced with all sorts of resistance from the supporters of the newer usergroup, as well as trolls and flames from the ex-BBR supporters who believed that breaking the BBR was a bad idea.
So, it's not a "no harm done" situation. Lots of people have different views and takes on a matter, and even though your view makes it simple (and I agree it's quite simple to do those things), many many other people don't think so.
Frankly, we KNOW this back room isn't making a hell lot of sense. The back room can say they're only making up guidelines, but they seem to neglect the amount of power they end up having anyway. The back room has responsibilities, but they don't really seem to care about those if they start neglecting them.
To be honest, multiple times I've heard back room members (not gonna give names) expressing themselves negatively about the back room as a whole. Apparently, people don't care to vote for stages and people don't care to discuss characters the way they should (Lucario has been given as an example, all I could find on this discussion was a structurally poor essay on how to play Lucario, by L. Martin. The Wario discussion was equally bad if not worse, and people were just looking silly.), nothing really seems to be working out well.
You could argue that the ones participating in the character discussions should be the ones with most experience and knowledge on those characters, but when you force people who don't know how to formulate their thoughts at the level expected of them to come into a topic they might not be familiar with ("BBR MEMBERS SHOULD BE MORE ACTIVE IN THEIR DISCUSSIONS! 20 VOTES OUT OF 100 MEMBERS", remember these argumentss in the Ruleset V3.0 thread?), you get those results.
But still, in a sense, I agree that the community should be the endorsers of the BackRooms. Ultimately, it's not the BR's that have the power, but the community that does. If no one listens to the BR's or goes to the huge BackRoomer TO's tourneys, the tourney will fail, and the power we hold will dwindle into '
just another group'. We would just be a fanclub of people who try and keep their scene alive, while everyone else is busy doing other things, completely alienated from said fanclub.
As I said at the end of my previous post, I do not feel like repeating things which were already noted in this thread, because OBVIOUSLY there's more than a hundred adherent BBR members vividly reading every single post in this thread... oh wait there probably aren't.
Well, I can at least speak for myself when I say I have the community's best interest in mind, and that without a community, even with the game perfectly competitive due to a perfect ruleset done under BBR standards, there would be no game at all. People look into this game for entertainment, for "fun", but some o the competitive decisions seem to rip off all trace of "fun" and "fairness" the majority of the public
needs. Since we want Brawl to be a competitive fighting game, we're following fighting game rules.
An idea I had before but kept to myself was, "
why do we want to make it a fighting game? Why not simply make it something related to a fighting game that we all would enjoy more?". Obviously you'd see my clash of ideals with other members of the BBR since the goal here is to make it a fighting game and not something similar to it (hence the many Sirlin followers, and people who adore calling others
scrubs), so I keep some things to myself and help out with their goals in making the game as competitive as possible, even if it's just voicing my opinions, giving my votes, or bringing unknown info to the table.
Now with how far the community has gone, I don't think we'd be able to make that leap without suffering lots of dangerous internal conflicts between members who prefer the current rules, and members who would prefer a new view on Brawl. We made this game into what it is now, so now we have to make the best of our creation and try to perfect it.
And to tell you the truth... Doing something like breaking apart the BBR and forming something else is going to require waaaaaay too much effort, more than I believe our community is willing to put forth. You have to dismantle an entire user group, a whole forum, the rulesets and tier lists, then start from the ground up. This is the reason why so many past attempts at 'overthrowing the BBR' has failed, because it simply is too much work.
You know what I would love? A list of the members you guys think deserve to be in the BBR, and a list of the members you guys think SHOULDN'T be in the BBR. In this thread's a list of all the BBR members, why don't you guys start from that? This would give me insight into exactly what you all are thinking: who's agreed upon being in the BBR, and who's agreed upon being kicked out?
I'M NOT SAYING I WILL BRING IT IN THE BBR FOR DISCUSSION, NOR AM I SAYING I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT BBR AND AM UNHAPPY WITH IT. IF YOU GUYS WANT PRODUCTIVE POSTS IN THIS THREAD BESIDES THE USUAL RANTS, THIS IS A GOOD WAY TO START MOVING FORWARD. AND IF YOU FEEL YOU KNOW OF PLAYERS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE BBR, MAKE A SEPARATE LIST AS WELL.
Let's compare lists for now to see where you guys are situated. It might take some time (BBR has like 100 members!), but it's definitely productive.
