1. You must hit someone for it to "unstale" your other moves.
2. Each hit counts as an individual move on the stale list. Do all four and four moves become less stale from the list of 9.
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2. Each hit counts as an individual move on the stale list. Do all four and four moves become less stale from the list of 9.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Um, you need either one full DB ending in DDB4, or two full DB combos that dont end in DDB4. You must land every hit to get the full moveset refreshed (except for that version of dancing blade u last used).
Is it random on which move gets unstaled or does it have a definite pattern?
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
It goes in the order of the moves you used, its just a scrolling list. Think of a text box that can only hold 9 moves. When you enter the 10th move, the 1st one dissapears. The next move entered removes the 2nd, and so on and so forth.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Yeah, and they are staled differently. Your normal unstaled move has a power of 1.05 times training.
A staled move in position 1 has .91 times the power of training, spot two is .92 times and so forth. The spots add up so if you have a move in position 3 and 1 you have
1- (.09+.07) or .84 times the normal power.
Knockback is more complicated.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
Are you sure about that? I think it doesn't matter whether you use DDB4 or not it all counts as 4 hits.
Can you guys not spread what is firmly a big load of crap?
One instance of dancing blade, NO MATTER HOW MANY STRIKES OF IT YOU DO is considered ONE MOVE in it's entirety.
In other words, doing dancing blade one strike hitting then stopping, then starting again and doing the full one will decrease the ENTIRE DAMAGE OF DANCING BLADE NOT JUST THE FIRST HIT.
VietGeek I want to slap you!
Want proof?
First strike of dancing blade dummy 2 times (normal range), damage of the first strike will go from 3% to 2%. A normal full fresh dancing blade does 13%. Now after the first strike of dancing blade has been used MAGICALLY I GUESS COZ ALL DANCING BLADE CONSISTS OF 4 INDIVIDUAL MOVES IN THE LIST the damage goes from 13% to 9%. LULZ LULZ LULZ.
*bashes VietGeek with a MEtAL ROD*
Seriously, I've spotted you guys spreading this crap so many times ;_; Don't let me catch any of you doing it again.
One instance of dancing blade, NO MATTER HOW MANY STRIKES OF IT YOU DO is considered ONE MOVE in it's entirety.
In other words, doing dancing blade one strike hitting then stopping, then starting again and doing the full one will decrease the ENTIRE DAMAGE OF DANCING BLADE NOT JUST THE FIRST HIT.
VietGeek I want to slap you!
Want proof?
First strike of dancing blade dummy 2 times (normal range), damage of the first strike will go from 3% to 2%. A normal full fresh dancing blade does 13%. Now after the first strike of dancing blade has been used MAGICALLY I GUESS COZ ALL DANCING BLADE CONSISTS OF 4 INDIVIDUAL MOVES IN THE LIST the damage goes from 13% to 9%. LULZ LULZ LULZ.
*bashes VietGeek with a MEtAL ROD*
Seriously, I've spotted you guys spreading this crap so many times ;_; Don't let me catch any of you doing it again.
Browny
Smash Hater
does usmash even have a non-tipper hitbox anywhere?
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
So for diminishing returns, dancing blade counts as one move on the list of nine, even when you do all four hits?
You know what, I feel like a fool. Dancing Blade sucks and Sakurai sucks.
Each strike of dancing blade that hits (The 4th down one is considered just one) is considered an individual hit in the decay list. Problem is is that all of the hits are DANCING BLADE, not like DANCING BLADE STRIKE ONE, STRIKE TWO, etc.
So if you hit someone with the first strike of dancing blade only like 5 times, when you do a full one it will be completely diminished and you'll end up with 9 occurances of dancing blade in your decay list. ****.
*hits self with metal rod*
Sorry Viet and guys ;_;
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Up Smash has a tipper hit box. The sound it makes when hitting is the same whether it is a tipper not. A TIPPER Up smash can do LESS damage than a non-tippered up smash.
A proper tipper up smash will kill Meta at like 100% and do like 17%, while one where you just hit them normally could do 21% and not kill meta until 120%.
Each strike of dancing blade that hits (The 4th down one is considered just one) is considered an individual hit in the decay list. Problem is is that all of the hits are DANCING BLADE, not like DANCING BLADE STRIKE ONE, STRIKE TWO, etc.
So if you hit someone with the first strike of dancing blade only like 5 times, when you do a full one it will be completely diminished and you'll end up with 9 occurances of dancing blade in your decay list. ****.
*hits self with metal rod*
Sorry Viet and guys ;_;
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Up Smash has a tipper hit box. The sound it makes when hitting is the same whether it is a tipper not. A TIPPER Up smash can do LESS damage than a non-tippered up smash.
A proper tipper up smash will kill Meta at like 100% and do like 17%, while one where you just hit them normally could do 21% and not kill meta until 120%.
feardragon64
Smash Champion
I love you anyways shaya.
You're so nice fear! :D
feardragon64
Smash Champion
Essentially.
That and pummeling with grabs.
Marth's attacks on Metaknight:
Attack/Dmg/Kill Percent
Forward-Air (tipper) 13% 121%
* Middle of Final Destination, Fresh, No DI.
On the other hand
Neutral-Air (tipper) FINAL HIT 12% 88% 118%
Learn to tipper your nair after a grab release. the 118% is middle of final destination even with good DI.
Refer: http://www.theintensity.com/wiki/doku.php?id=marth:metaknight
Attack/Dmg/Kill Percent
Forward-Air (tipper) 13% 121%
* Middle of Final Destination, Fresh, No DI.
On the other hand
Neutral-Air (tipper) FINAL HIT 12% 88% 118%
Learn to tipper your nair after a grab release. the 118% is middle of final destination even with good DI.
Refer: http://www.theintensity.com/wiki/doku.php?id=marth:metaknight
jays0nnn
Smash Apprentice
If i get hit by Metaknight up B, which way do I DI? I always lose a stock when MK up b hits me with it? plus if i get hit by snake Ftilt where should i DI as well? same goes for snake up smash as well thanks
Meta Up B: UP. Unless it's on the ground then it's LEFT/RIGHT.
Snake Ftilt: UP. UP. UP. UP.
Snake's Upsmash: LEFT OR RIGHT
Snake Ftilt: UP. UP. UP. UP.
Snake's Upsmash: LEFT OR RIGHT
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
For MK's Up B, it's really simple. Just DI towards the stage and up like you should anyways, you just have to be REALLY quick with it. You should probably DI away from Snake if he's hitting you with stuff to avoid getting hit by more stuff, but you should be shielding Ftilts and punishing his ***.
That being said, what's the best option after shielding a Snake's well spaced ftilt?
Dtilt.
or
Shieldbreaker for the lulz: IF it's well spaced you'll most likely be pushed quite a distance, shieldbreaker should cover it.
or
dash shield grab
or
fsmash (Ankoku)
or
Dancing blade (yay)
Dtilts pretty good and safe, if the ftilt has pushed you outside of your range you'll be outside of his, you have nice breathing room to react to his following actions.
or
Shieldbreaker for the lulz: IF it's well spaced you'll most likely be pushed quite a distance, shieldbreaker should cover it.
or
dash shield grab
or
fsmash (Ankoku)
or
Dancing blade (yay)
Dtilts pretty good and safe, if the ftilt has pushed you outside of your range you'll be outside of his, you have nice breathing room to react to his following actions.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
If he did the second hit well spaced then imo best options is either shield drop > DB or JC fair. If it's just first hit then you can risk it with JC fair.
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3xSwords
Smash Lord
Yeah lol I made it happen. So put me on your jealousy tier list now? 
Dude I'm pretty sure you were still in MBR when I posted that **** though. Oh wellz...
Dude I'm pretty sure you were still in MBR when I posted that **** though. Oh wellz...
TKD+ITA+Mar=
Smash Ace
I think it really depends on how far away you are. Also are we talking about the first hit or the second?
If it's the first, then you are probably close enough to Dtilt, Dolphin Slash, or Dancing Blade. (These will be fast enough to prevent being hit by the second ftilt.)
If we are talking about the second, then it really depends on the distance. Twice, I have used counter on his second ftilt (while still being nowhere close to the animation) and have countered (which has a very long range, probably a little longer than ftilt, and a little shorter than shield breaker) without hitting him. So maybe an ftilt or a running u-smash might work.
Speaking of countering and not hitting, would countering Snake's ftilt without hitting him put a stun jacket on him? Or does it only work for wind based attacks?
Seriously though...how do you do it? o_OYeah lol I made it happen. So put me on your jealousy tier list now?
Dude I'm pretty sure you were still in MBR when I posted that **** though. Oh wellz...
Like he falls too low for tipper Nair to hit him before he can like do something. Fair works because it swings low.
TEACH MEH MASTAR. I R NEWB.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
If you are trying to punish him for only the first hit of ftilt you are just better off waiting for the second hit.
And I honestly don't know if stun jacket is employed with Snake's ftilt. Stun Jacket is not limited to only wind based attacks, for example I believe ZSS's d-smash does cause stun jacket, so try it out man.
Well first master being able to buffer out of grab release animation. After doing so buffer a dash and do a rising SH nair just a tiny bit after the place you would do a fair to hit MK. The most important part is doing a rising SH nair otherwise it'll be to slow IIRC. After that it's all just what you can do.
3xSwords
Smash Lord
lol Viet why give up so soon? Dunno if this will help but when I was trying to do this on a consistent basis in the beginning, it felt as though I was doing it later than I should be doing it. Probably won't help you but whatever.
Welcome to scaring the **** outta Meta's at the edge at around 100%.
Sure, fly to Australia and I'll cover your medical costs.
I'll think about it.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Okay, I've been trying, really trying to find some use for dash attack. Have I just been wasting my time? x.x
Coda
Smash Cadet
What do you practice on? at what percent? and Is it really gauranteed? So can I practice on CPU's like I did with Falco's death combo?
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
Are you trying to boost usmash or running usmash? I'll assume you really mean boost, but it's hard to do and not that helpful with Marth. You can either do it the regular way, or a way I found out by running, then pressing up, whatever button you shield with, and I think down on the cstick
Dash Attack's best, and probably only practical use is surprise attack on the edge after a ledge jump (by the opponent). Supposibly you can combo a tipper one out of a air release on meta and them, but there's a billion better options.
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Are you talking about release grab to tippered nair? Try figuring it out in training mode. While not conclusive of being a real combo, if you are able to do grab release to nair (pummel at least once) and it shows it as 3 consecutive hits you're getting -good- at the timing. Repeat: Aerial grab releases all count as combos if the opponent hasn't touched the ground (so even if they jump), so only trust it at a basic level.
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Boost upsmash? Do you mean like dash attack cancel? I don't think Marth can do it... I'm pretty sure he can't that is...
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Are you talking about release grab to tippered nair? Try figuring it out in training mode. While not conclusive of being a real combo, if you are able to do grab release to nair (pummel at least once) and it shows it as 3 consecutive hits you're getting -good- at the timing. Repeat: Aerial grab releases all count as combos if the opponent hasn't touched the ground (so even if they jump), so only trust it at a basic level.
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Boost upsmash? Do you mean like dash attack cancel? I don't think Marth can do it... I'm pretty sure he can't that is...