Ask a quick question, get a quick answer (The Marth FAQ's)

[toki]

Any good tips for Marth vs Snake? im running into Snakes recently.

 

[Albert.]

Please refrain from trolling me outside of social threads. I can and will infract trolls. This is your first and last warning

Yeah hide behind your mod status you little b****. you're gonna warn me? LOLL K I'll start go give a **** right now....haha

It wasn't even trolling I was just messing around and you're acting as if this is the most sacred thread in the world.

THAT SAID BRO you didn't accept my facebook request

Any good tips for Marth vs Snake? im running into Snakes recently.

yeah, jump around a lot and bait his **** and then hit him a lot.

watch Havok v Ally and Candy

and Mike v Ally

redJ v Ebo

 

[Remzi]

I find watching vids of any marth v ally.... not helpful at all. he's too different. you gotta learn the snake matchup and then you gotta learn the ally matchup.

 

[Mr-R]

could anyone link me havok vs ally ?
i cant seem to find it

 

[Pierce7d]

Any good tips for Marth vs Snake? im running into Snakes recently.

If you give me a moment, I'll dig up a decent essay I wrote on the MU a while back.

Yeah hide behind your mod status you little b****. you're gonna warn me? LOLL K I'll start go give a **** right now....haha

It wasn't even trolling I was just messing around and you're acting as if this is the most sacred thread in the world.

THAT SAID BRO you didn't accept my facebook request

lol @ ever being scared of you. I'm not hiding from anything, I am here and in the open. I am merely reminding you of the powers at my disposal.

I'm aware that you are "just messing around" and as such, you have yet to receive any infraction points.

I created this thread, and I take it very seriously.

If I didn't accept your friend request, it's probably because you didn't say who you were. I have many outstanding friend requests on Facebook because I don't know who the person is.

 

[Nike.]

How can marth deal with a yoshi who throws 3-4 eggs from the ledge? Is there a way to beat it everytime they try it, or is it better to wait until they attempt to get back on stage? I feel like if I to safely shield eggs, I have to give him the space he wants to make it back on stage unpunished. I hate doing that since it's a hard earned position advantage

Polt moved close to my city and I've lost to him twice in the past month. I gotta find a way to beat him lol.

 

[Pierce7d]

You can evade them (airdodge, roll dodge is pretty effective)

You can powershield them

You can dtilt Yoshi with good timing

You can time the Yoshi out if there's an LGL.

I think you might still get hit if you counter, but try that too.

 

[Remzi]

Mr. R: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfbDVwHThVs&feature=player_profilepage

Nike: He can only regrab the ledge 3 or 4 times with egg throw. Can't remember if its 3 or 4, but after that, he has to get back on stage. So just PS or spot dodge the first few and be ready to cover his getup options after that.

 

[C.J.]

Definitely posted the wrong video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5tw2Y5AWAk&feature=player_embedded

Much better

 

[Reizilla]

Yeah hide behind your mod status you little b****. you're gonna warn me? LOLL K I'll start go give a **** right now....haha

It wasn't even trolling I was just messing around and you're acting as if this is the most sacred thread in the world.

THAT SAID BRO you didn't accept my facebook request





yeah, jump around a lot and bait his **** and then hit him a lot.

watch Havok v Ally and Candy

and Mike v Ally

redJ v Ebo

Pierce invented the warning too.

 

[Shaya]

fair is faster in the air than bair...

but only by a few frames though.

 

[Albert.]

I am merely reminding you of the powers at my disposal.

I am merely reminding you of the powers at my disposal.

I am merely reminding you of the powers at my disposal.

I am merely reminding you of the powers at my disposal.

powers at my disposal.

powers

powers

powers

I lol'd

If I didn't accept your friend request, it's probably because you didn't say who you were. I have many outstanding friend requests on Facebook because I don't know who the person is.

My name is Albert. here.

my name on Facebook is also Albert.

brah if you're gonna break my heart JUST DO IT

 

[xxmoosexx]

I feel scared and empowered at the same time after those innumerable emboldening of power.

For yoshi's that use that tactic I try to attempt to perfect shield the eggs and close a gap. If you are right at the edge then just drop down. If you are fast enough I think you can get under the egg or hit him before he gets out of the ending lag. Just a few ideas.

 

[vato_break]

Does Marth win vs. Olimar? If so, can you please explain why? Thanks in advance!

 

[earla]

this is relating the 10 boss battles:

how can marth apply the most damage to a still opponent in the shortest amount of time?

which move combinations work best?

 

[xxmoosexx]

Does Marth win vs. Olimar? If so, can you please explain why? Thanks in advance!

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5496150

Old I know but...if you haven't already then go check it out.

I think Marth does. Fair can swat away pikmin and you have to watch out for the grabs when you land. I personally think Olimar only has his Grab as an obstacle marth. But grabbing goes back to good fundementals.

His smashes are a little above average and im 99% positive that they clank with marth's sword. His un-pikmin moves are out prioritized. Atleast I think. This is what I have obtained threw experience so don't quote me on this.

Remember Im still a noob just trying to get into elite status of the Marth Boards.

Olimar can adapt very well by playing in the air as you counter his grabs. I generally see them jump backwards and throw pikmin at you after they figured out you can get past their grab.

Pushing to the edge has been the best bet for me. He can't pivot grab as effectively and obviously puts them under pressure being near their biggest flaw.

Staying in an area outside of his smashes but close so he thinks twice before throwing his pikmin is good. Good Olimars won't get gimped easily. Don't get grabbed. Make note of Blue pikmin- he will use it for a Bthrow as a kill move(and has 2nd or tied for 1st longest grab range), White pikmin are deadly. Get them off fast and they also have great grab range. Purple pikmin have pretty darn good priority, THESE GUYS ARE IMPORTANT. Don't get too close. Purple pikmin's smashes are slower and shorter but kill way earlier. Don't mis-space. Olimar does have a decent air game but gets beat out by Marth's.

Good Olimars will:
Not get gimped easily
Control the Stage
Grab Combo
Platform camp

Marth beats him because of his range and speed. Marth's ability to SH double fair and react to a grab when he lands and retaliate with a dancing blade is what makes marth do well. Tilts, fair, and Dancing blade with good air and ground speed tacked on with range is why marth wins. But it is by no means an shoo-in.

 

[Pierce7d]

How to fight Snake:
Zone the front of him with Fair, so he gets hit if he ftilts, but otherwise you both whiff.
Randomize your committed approaches
Land unpredictable as to not get hit by Dash Attack
Learn to space so you don't set off nades.
Only use Dancing Blade to punish
Learn to trap and gimp properly with Fair and Dtilt on airdodge reads.
Play a safe pressure game.

How to fight Olimar:
Learn to minimize damage from Pikman Toss by shielding, swatting, or evading
Land unpredictably to evade Grabs
Do not tipper your falling Fairs, but space well as to not get Usmashed.
Learn to beat out shield grab attempts by applying pressure, due to Olimar's slow grab and lack of grab armor.
Use Forward Dancing Blade to shield stab.
Learn to lock down Olimar at the ledge, while evading Uair.
Learn to evade Fsmash while being able to react to grab.
Learn when it's the right time to use Dolphin Slash or Dsmash for a kill.
Learn that when a purple is next on the line-up, it can kill you, so be careful, but realize Olimar has reduced grab range and an increased anti-air projectiled.
Learn to evade white Pikman, or to take minimal damage from them.

 

[xxmoosexx]

How to fight Snake:
Zone the front of him with Fair, so he gets hit if he ftilts, but otherwise you both whiff.
Randomize your committed approaches
Land unpredictable as to not get hit by Dash Attack
Learn to space so you don't set off nades.
Only use Dancing Blade to punish
Learn to trap and gimp properly with Fair and Dtilt on airdodge reads.
Play a safe pressure game.

How to fight Olimar:
Learn to minimize damage from Pikman Toss by shielding, swatting, or evading
Land unpredictably to evade Grabs
Do not tipper your falling Fairs, but space well as to not get Usmashed.
Learn to beat out shield grab attempts by applying pressure, due to Olimar's slow grab and lack of grab armor.
Use Forward Dancing Blade to shield stab.
Learn to lock down Olimar at the ledge, while evading Uair.
Learn to evade Fsmash while being able to react to grab.
Learn when it's the right time to use Dolphin Slash or Dsmash for a kill.
Learn that when a purple is next on the line-up, it can kill you, so be careful, but realize Olimar has reduced grab range and an increased anti-air projectiled.
Learn to evade white Pikman, or to take minimal damage from them.

Yeah. What he said.
Almost the exact way I would fight olimar put in much better ways for advice.
Thanks Pierce.

 

[earla]

brood buffers all his moves.

how could buffering benefit marth?

 

[Geenareeno]

I don't really understand all this hype about buffering. If you need to do something as soon as another thing ends you buffer it. But if you need to time a move right then you don't buffer it. Yeah, I don't really understand it. You can buffer fair out of a jump though.

 

[kalem333]

For what it is worth, I have found that mixing in some spot dodging provides some great mind games against olimar, and help when you are "blitzing". approaching with Fair is obviously the usual, but when I'm against olimar I stay on the ground a bit more and spot dodge the tossed pikmin and smashes, which leads to decent punishment.Now granted, I haven't done a whole lot of competitive olimar fights but this won me the few I have done.

 

[Orion*]

brood buffers all his moves.

how could buffering benefit marth?

i think this ***** just went to like every character board and said this LOL

 

[-Jax]

How exactly does marth's counter work? How would it fare against an attack like dedede's utilt? (because of the invincibilty frames)

 

[Pierce7d]

Marth's counter would cleanly beat D3's Utilt, but I wouldn't advise it if you had other options.

 

[earla]

i think this ***** just went to like every character board and said this LOL

i main marth and mk. ^ wasn't neccessary. perhaps you could spend some of your time usefully instead of comparing peoples posts on different boards.

buffering everything is old? do most marths do this?

 

[Laurel]

should i just pick up mk as a secondary because i ****ing suck at the marth/mk mu?

 

[Reizilla]

No wey! Marf 4 lyfe!!!!!!

Yes.

 

[Gifts]

should i just pick up mk as a secondary because i ****ing suck at the marth/mk mu?

If your going to do that, just pick up mk as a new main tbh.

 

[Laurel]

(it was semi-sarcastic, my post)

in all seriousness, there are a few mus i have problems with. am i better off just doing my best to learn them or pick a secondary up for them?

 

[Nike.]

I'd say do your best to learn them. Alot of marth players have certain bad matchups. I was garbage against ike for my first year and a half. I finally got past the hurdle.

Which matchups are you having problems with? Actually, which players? lol

 

[Laurel]

we can discuss this when i see you saturday lol

 

[MacNCheese.]

Whats a good strategy against Diddy Kong?

I mostly mean bananas, DK ***** me everytime I land

 

[Nike.]

we can discuss this when i see you saturday lol

I always forget lol. It's hard to talk about that kind of stuff. I'll send you a message lol

 

[Laurel]

well i need to think about what i need help on besides the obvious ones you already know about, i'll message you later about it

 

[Reizilla]

Take it to VMs, guys.

On an on-topic note, what's the best way to get good with Marth without playing????

 

[Enzo]

^Fair camp.

EDIT:
in a 2v1 situation in doubles could giving a marth a stun jacket be useful

 

[Pierce7d]

Marth cannot wear a stun jacket.

The best way to get better at Marth w/o playing is to watch videos, and read guides.

To fight Diddy, find any post I ever made on the topic ever. Try to use the search function.

 

[iamjason8]

Where can I find/do we have a thread, of a list of Marth's grab -> tippers on the rest of the cast?

 

[-Jax]

Marth's counter would cleanly beat D3's Utilt, but I wouldn't advise it if you had other options.

Ty, but how does the counter work exactly?

Like, what happens the moment an attack hits marths counter?

 

[MacNCheese.]

Is there a thread for Marths MU ratios? I searched and found none, maybe I'm typing in the wrong thing.