Legend of Zelda Archive: Theory Thread

[Spire]

Spire's theory: Link's Terminian Counterpart = Kafei?

This may start off strange. So I was just playing Soul Calibur IV and for the longest time, have been perfecting my custom Link. I decided to create Kafei as a 'partner' character for the Tower of Souls mode and upon completing him, I realized that I had given him the same face, hair, and body size as Link (albeit different colors/tones). All the while, I had the zeldawiki page open for Kafei and was looking at the artwork and screenshots of him, and upon putting those together with his concept, I realized that he strongly represented Link.

First of all, you can't deny that when you saw him, he reminded you of yourself (young Link). Upon diving into his story, you learn that he was actually an adult cursed to be a child again. Sound familiar? It's kind of the opposite of Link's tale: a child cursed to live his adult life. If not that, it's still representative of Link living both a child and adult life [kind of] against his own will.

Another thing to note is the fact that Kafei is the only other [human] character seen wearing a mask besides Skull Kid (correct me if I'm wrong), and to continue with attire, both Link and Kafei wear tunics representative of their homelands and have similar boots. Furthermore the Kafei + Anju quest is the most personal and in depth of all the side quests in the game, hinting towards his importance.

One last thing to note: Kafei was apparently given identical animations to Link, as seen unlocked through hacking: awesomesauce vid.

So just as Ganon's counterpart may be Majora, and Zelda's, the "goddess of time", could Kafei be Link's?

 

[Phantom7]

Ahhh, how interesting. This really makes sense because everything in Hyrule does have its counterpart in Termina.

 

[Spire]

Ahhh, how interesting. This really makes sense because everything in Hyrule does have its counterpart in Termina.

To further support it, look at some of the other main character counterparts:

Darunia = Darmani
Ruto = Lulu
King Zora = Toto

The characters aren't the same and don't exactly look identical, but are still the respective counterparts. Therefore, it's entirely plausible for Kafei to be Link's counterpart.

 

[Phantom7]

To further support it, look at some of the other main character counterparts:

Darunia = Darmani
Ruto = Lulu
King Zora = Toto

The characters aren't the same and don't exactly look identical, but are still the respective counterparts. Therefore, it's entirely plausible for Kafei to be Link's counterpart.

*Applause*. To be honest, though, any theory based on Terminian (if that is correct) counterparts is bound to be true.

 

[Shade613]

If Kafei is truley Link's counter part then there would be no reason for Link to be there in the first place. Just because they dress simalar doesn't make them related. If Zelda is the Goddess of Time then why is he going after Anju? The last sentence is debateable since there is no canon relationship.

 

[Spire]

If Kafei is truley Link's counter part then there would be no reason for Link to be there in the first place. Just because they dress simalar doesn't make them related. If Zelda is the Goddess of Time then why is he going after Anju? The last sentence is debateable since there is no canon relationship.

Not true. Darmani, Lulu, and Toto are the counterparts to Darunia, Ruto, and King Zora, and while the Hyrulean counterparts played a significant, active, and living role in the story, the Terminian counterparts would all be worthless if it weren't for Link (Darmani would remain dead, Lulu and Toto would have never put on a show, and consequently, Mikau would have simply died looking for her eggs). The denizens of Termina are doomed and all would die if it weren't for Link traveling there in the first place.

And besides, if Zelda's counterpart is the Goddess of Time (due to her being the supposed Sage of Time in Hyrule), then her only purpose is to act simply as time itself, and who can use time? Link, because he has the Ocarina. I think when Zelda gave Link the Ocarina as a child (in Link's flashback during MM), she knew he would need it for a greater purpose involving time, not to save Hyrule, but to assist whoever and wherever he goes.

 

[Falcon88]

I think Kafei is definitely and interesting character who has a very important and involved side-quest in MM. He seems to have some special talents for sure. However, I have always been opposed to Link having any couterpart at all in Termina. I figured Link, judging by his name, is the only unique "link" between the two worlds.
Your arguments have almost changed my mind. I think I'll look into this a little more.

I would like to point out that Link and Kafei have similar or identical animations simply because Kafei is playable at one point in the game.

 

[Spire]

I think Kafei is definitely and interesting character who has a very important and involved side-quest in MM. He seems to have some special talents for sure. However, I have always been opposed to Link having any couterpart at all in Termina. I figured Link, judging by his name, is the only unique "link" between the two worlds.
Your arguments have almost changed my mind. I think I'll look into this a little more.

I would like to point out that Link and Kafei have similar or identical animations simply because Kafei is playable at one point in the game.

Oh yes. Unless you count the Deku Butler's son, Darmani, Mikau, and Fierce Deity as entirely different characters when playing while wearing their masks, then Kafei is truly the only other playable character in the game thus linking his importance to Link. We've never played as any other character besides Seagulls and Cuccos in WW and TP, and they certainly don't count, so with that significance paired with the striking similarities between Link and Kafei, I'd definitely assume that they are counterparts.

 

[lanky_gunner]

.....................

My brain just exploded, and I jizzed in my pants.

Mind-f***ingly awesome theories!

 

[rhan]

The Kafei segment made me think a lot.

 

[Kingdom Come]

I never would have thought of Kafei being Link's CP.

I guess it could make sense, since he was the deepest side storyline. They each were forced to live a life thrust upon them, with no choice but to live.

Link never had a partner who mirrored the Inn Lady (can't think of her name) so I am still not 100% on this theory, but good thinking is good.

Side Note:
Sorry I haven't been so active lately...School.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Link is Kafei? Well... I guess purple is the opposite of green. And it would make sense since Kafei is in love and Link is completely incapable of affection. So... I guess it could make sense.

 

[Spire]

Link is Kafei? Well... I guess purple is the opposite of green. And it would make sense since Kafei is in love and Link is completely incapable of affection. So... I guess it could make sense.

Except yellow is purple's opposite, not green.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Except yellow is purple's opposite, not green.

I'm not going to get in a color argument because that is irrelevant... but I think purple is the opposite of green.

 

[Kingdom Come]

Lul, the opposite of Green is Red.

Kafei imo can in one way be seen as the opposite of Link aside from those in the matter of how he was scared to show himself to Anju (I remember her name now).

I don't know, just chew that for a while.

 

[zaneebaslave]

Lul, the opposite of Green is Red.

The opposite of red is light blue. Once more, the opposite of purple is light green. In the old color theory, yellow was the opposite of purple and green was the opposite of red, but that has changed and now a new color theory has been made.

 

[Spire]

The opposite of red is light blue. Once more, the opposite of purple is light green. In the old color theory, yellow was the opposite of purple and green was the opposite of red, but that has changed and now a new color theory has been made.

Primary colors:
Red
Blue
Yellow

Secondary colors:
Green
Orange
Purple

Those six make up the foundation for the primary color wheel. You're thinking of the RGV (Red, Green, Violet) color wheel. The "old" color theory is the most widely accepted and exercised throughout the world, so don't bother arguing it (meaning no more color discussion).

EDIT: But to clear things up..

The RGV and RGB spectrums are based on projected light sources, which is why computers use them. When working with actual paint, colored pencils, and the like, they mix according to the RBY spectrum.

 

[zaneebaslave]

My life has all been just one big lie!

 

[Scott!]

There are two types of color. Color can come from emitted light (like computer monitors) or it can come from reflected light (physical surfaces). Emitted light uses the additive color system, where adding light of different colors makes it brighter, whereas reflected light uses the subtractive color system, where adding colors makes it darker. That's why, on older TVs, the contrast can be adjusted to make things redder, bluer, or greener rather than yellower. Additive color has red, blue, and green as its 3 primaries. Subtractive color, which is what everyone learns in elementary school art class, has the more commonly-known red, blue, yellow primary set. If it doesn't make sense to you, just think of flashlights and paint. If you shine multiple flashlights of different colors together, the resulting light will be brighter, and closer to white. If you mix multiple paint colors, you're going to get a darker color, and closer to black.

Start here, go anywhere! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_color

Aaanyway, enough of color theory. I'm still skeptical of this theory, interesting though it is. In MM, there are three characters I can think of in Termina who traveled there from Hyrule: Link, Skull Kid, and the Happy Mask Salesman. Now, way back when I first played the game, I assumed that they didn't have counterparts since they were in both worlds at some point or something. I still don't know who the others would have as counterparts though. I also see the idea of everyone having a counterpart in each world as a bit flawed, since there are characters who clearly don't. Besides the Hylian travelers, there's a load of new characters created for MM with no Hylian equivalent, as well as characters who have more than one counterpart. Take Malon, who has a counterpart for both her young and old selves. Ingo has 3 doppelgangers. Which one is his actual counterpart? As much as I like the idea of everyone in OoT and MM having counterparts and such, I just see flaws that I can't look past.

 

[zaneebaslave]

I only use the RGB colors since I use my computer for all my art. Maybe I should broaden my horizons?

 

[Spire]

Navi

Who is Navi?

... and where did she really go?

Let's start with the ending of Ocarina of Time. As pictured above - and as many of you know - Navi leaves Link to fly into the window perched in the backmost wall of the Temple of Time. But how can she fly into this window and seemingly disappear from Hyrule altogether? Surely Link could find her simply by walking outside and looking into the air. But he doesn't and he can't. Navi is gone. Link does end up looking for her though, but searches in the Lost Woods which leads to his encounter with Skull Kid, Majora's Mask, Tatl and Tael, and his venture into the parallel world of Termina. Following the conclusion of Majora's Mask, we have no idea what happened to Link. But Navi is another story.

Let's leap ahead a century or so. Link is reborn prior to save Hyrule once again during the events of Twilight Princess. Late in his adventure, he is led by Skull Kid to the ruins of the Temple of Time located deep in the Lost Woods/Sacred Grove. By striking the pedestal of time, one of the guardian statues outside of the entrance door to the temple disappears and he is able to step into the temple in the past. By striking the pedestal once again, a magical staircase arises and Link walks up it into the backmost window. Through this window, Link is able to enter the hidden expanse of the Temple of Time and in the backmost room, he finds the Dominion Rod.

History behind the Dominion Rod: "Back when the sky beings known as the Oocca still maintained contact with the Royal Family of Hyrule, the Oocca handed down a mysterious rod known as the Dominion Rod. This rod was only to be carried by one known as the messenger to the heavens, and it would be used by the messenger whenever the Royal Family needed to communicate with the Oocca. Along with the rod of the heavens, the sky beings left the Ancient Sky Book with the Sheikah, which was to be given specifically to the heavenly messenger."

Now this may be a long shot, but there are similarities between the Dominion Rod and Navi. Firstly, they are both winged and are blue. Secondly, they both have historical ties to Hyrule; those ties may be one in the same. The Dominion Rod is stored deeper in the Temple of Time than even the Master Sword. The temple and sword are a sacred lock and key created by an ancient species, perhaps predating or coexisting with the Oocca, if not the avian species themselves. The guardian statues in the temple may reflect the look of the people who created it, if they aren't based on creatures from the Oocca's mythology. Regardless, the Dominion Rod is secured deep within the temple of time in an almost timeless part of it.

There is a reason why Link (OoT) never ventured deeper into the Temple of Time - because there was no reason to. He had the Dominion Rod with him the whole time: Navi. The Dominion Rod took the form of a unique blue fairy to accompany a Hylian boy who would otherwise never receive a fairy because he was not Kokiri. It lines up perfectly - a godly tool assists the hero chosen by the gods to draw the sword of evil's bane to banish the rising threat to save Hyrule. A century or so later, the new Link finds Navi once again by traveling to the past and bringing her to the present so that she can fulfill her purpose and connect Hyrule with the Heavens once again.

 

[theunabletable]

If you want to see good theories, I recommend checking out the Bomber's on ZeldaInformer.

 

[Spire]

If you want to see good theories, I recommend checking out the Bomber's on ZeldaInformer.

Don't advertise.

 

[theunabletable]

^Sorry.

Is there any possible way to link to any of the theories of the place without it being called advertising?

 

[Darkslash]

Who is Navi?

... and where did she really go?​

Now that you REALLY mention it, I never knew why they had that door there. But thanks to you, it makes some sense.
This could also explain why the dominion rod has a short theme of Zelda's lullaby when the orb is thrown around.
It's also kinda ironic that the first boss of OoT (Gohma) is some what related to Armagohma, and going by your theory, that both bosses are encountered as a boss after you get Navi (in Fairy and Rod form).

Secret document? Maybe..maybe not.

EDIT: One thing I noticed is that the orb of the Rod has a greenish hue, and not a blue one. Significance?

 

[Spire]

^Sorry.

Is there any possible way to link to any of the theories of the place without it being called advertising?

If you input your own thoughts on the subject and include a link to an outside source, then I won't regard it as advertising, rather linking to information as a means of helping progress the thread here. As long as your post is worthwhile and progressive towards the SWF community (in this case the LoZ forum) then be my guest

Now that you REALLY mention it, I never knew why they had that door there. But thanks to you, it makes some sense.
This could also explain why the dominion rod has a short theme of Zelda's lullaby when the orb is thrown around.
It's also kinda ironic that the first boss of OoT (Gohma) is some what related to Armagohma, and going by your theory, that both bosses are encountered as a boss after you get Navi (in Fairy and Rod form).

Secret document? Maybe..maybe not.

EDIT: One thing I noticed is that the orb of the Rod has a greenish hue, and not a blue one. Significance?

Navi may or may not have a relation with the Dominion Rod, but I'm almost certain that she found her resting place in the secret extension of the Temple of Time.

 

[Ochobobo]

Nice one! I've never realized that you go through the exact same window Navi went through in TP.

 

[lanky_gunner]

Man, I need to go into some transdimensional thought before I can come up with theories such as these. Maybe I'll come up with something this week.

Oh, while I'm there, I should also discover the meaning of life...

 

[Phantom7]

About the Rod's green orb, Navi DID turn green in OoT when Link Z-targeted...

I like this theory. I think I'll throw this in:

Dominion Rod / Navi = Master Sword / Thing in Zelda Wii

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

@ title:

Navi is an annoying fairy thing that fallows you around in OoT

 

[Spire]

It's interesting to note that the Temple of Time is [now] canonically based in the Lost Woods/Sacred Grove, so Link searching for Navi in the beginning of Majora's Mask was not an inaccurate move on his part. He just didn't know that the Temple of Time continued in its own timeless realm.

 

[Phantom7]

It's interesting to note that the Temple of Time is [now] canonically based in the Lost Woods/Sacred Grove, so Link searching for Navi in the beginning of Majora's Mask was not an inaccurate move on his part. He just didn't know that the Temple of Time continued in its own timeless realm.

I think that's why Link traveled to the forest...

 

[Shade613]

Just because the rod looks like Navi doesn't mean it is. The wings probably symbolize reaching the heavens. The blue color is created by magic, the actual color of the rod is brown. A spell is used to put magic in the rod. Rocks look like Gorons but that doesn't make rocks gorons.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Just because the rod looks like Navi doesn't mean it is. The wings probably symbolize reaching the heavens. The blue color is created by magic, the actual color of the rod is brown. A spell is used to put magic in the rod. Rocks look like Gorons but that doesn't make rocks gorons.

But it could mean that Gorons are rocks

 

[Spire]

Just because the rod looks like Navi doesn't mean it is. The wings probably symbolize reaching the heavens. The blue color is created by magic, the actual color of the rod is brown. A spell is used to put magic in the rod. Rocks look like Gorons but that doesn't make rocks gorons.

Wasn't exactly the point of the theory which is why I discounted that idea mostly. What was most important was that Navi probably entered the secret extension of the Temple of Time. Her similarities to the rod may simply signify that both resided in this portion of the temple, but not that they are necessarily one in the same.

 

[Ekul]

The dominion rod defeats the spider... so does this mean that Navi holds a grudge against yellow-eyed insectoids?

So what about the part where it is depowered after you leave the Temple of Time? Shad powers it up with the book... until then, it doesn't work. It looks to me like it was a creation of Navi's rather than Navi's actual essence. Like, an extension of Navi's will or something.

 

[Phantom7]

The dominion rod defeats the spider... so does this mean that Navi holds a grudge against yellow-eyed insectoids?

So what about the part where it is depowered after you leave the Temple of Time? Shad powers it up with the book... until then, it doesn't work. It looks to me like it was a creation of Navi's rather than Navi's actual essence. Like, an extension of Navi's will or something.

Could be. I like the idea of "an extension of Navi's will"...

And yes, Navi's pet peeve is gargantuan arachnids.

 

[Scott!]

Can't really blame Navi for having it in for giant spiders, considering she was bffs with the Deku Tree, who was killed by the curse within him that included Gohma. Now I wonder if having Gohma return in the Temple of Time was supposed to make us think of the possible Navi/Deku Tree links. Hm...

 

[Luigitoilet]

The funniest thing about Majora's Mask was that Link actually wanted to find Navi again.

(just playing. I really like Navi, i think just due to nostalgia. Tatl has way more personality but I like Navi better.)

 

[lanky_gunner]

(just playing. I really like Navi, i think just due to nostalgia. Tatl has way more personality but I like Navi better.)

Heh, finally found a reason to use this!