Legend of Zelda Archive: Theory Thread

[Ochobobo]

Actually, being the cynical ******* that I am, I highly doubt they intended to do that parallel world thing. I'd wager that they only used that as an excuse to reuse the old models.

Actually I think there's some story behind that where they were limited to using the old OoT models.

 

[Darkurai]

Okay guys: I am so sorry that the next theory is taking so long.

Basically, what happened is I bought Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, and I haven't paid anything else any attention. I'll try to have the new theory ready tomorrow.

 

[Spire]

Actually I think there's some story behind that where they were limited to using the old OoT models.

Regarding whether or not Termina is in an alternate dimension...

Ever think that it might be located west of Hyrule? Match it up with the TP Hyrule:
- Both northern regions are snowy mountains
- Hyrule's west is a desert; Termina's east is a canyon with a temple that leads to a desert
- Hyrule's southwest is a forest (Sacred Grove aka Lost Woods); Termina's southeast is the swamp, that is connected to the Lost Woods somehow.

Maybe just a coincidence, but it sure seems possible.

Okay guys: I am so sorry that the next theory is taking so long.

Basically, what happened is I bought Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3, and I haven't paid anything else any attention. I'll try to have the new theory ready tomorrow.

A valid excuse I'm excited to hear what you have in store for us next.

 

[Darkurai]

Oh-ho! A brand new theory, even later that I said late would be!

Once again, I blame Metal Gear Solid.

 

[Spire]

Orca was always one of my favorite WW characters (behind Doc Bandam - the best in the game!).

Interesting that you thought of this though, Dark. There are many parallels between WW and TP:
WW / TP
Tingle = Purlo
Orca = Hero's Shade
...

Well my mind draws a blank now. I have to get going, but I'd like to talk more about this later.

 

[Shade613]

Aren't TP and WW in seperate timelines? The hero's shade could also be a descendent of the hero of time. Ganon dosen't have to come back for a descendent to be born.

 

[XACE-K]

Very interesting theory Darkurai. And yes, Orca is badass.

 

[Clownbot]

Aren't TP and WW in seperate timelines?

Yeah, they are. That doesn't do any harm to the theory, if I read correctly.

 

[Phantom7]

The Hero's Shade would not have the title "Hero's Shade" if he wasn't the Hero of Time himself.

 

[Darkurai]

The Hero's Shade would not have the title "Hero's Shade" if he wasn't the Hero of Time himself.

I fail to see why.

 

[Kingdom Come]

I believe the Hero's Shade could be OoT Link.

I mean, the songs you play are the ones you learn in OoT and MM, maybe this next Zelda will be about The Hero of Time and make some sort of connection.

BTW Ganon= Ganon.

 

[Phantom7]

I fail to see why.

Simply because he's the shade of the Hero and not the Hero's Descendant.

 

[Darkurai]

Simply because he's the shade of the Hero and not the Hero's Descendant.

I still fail to see why it has to be the Hero of Time.

 

[Spire]

Keep in mind that the Ballad of Gales was learned in TP. Kinda weird.

 

[Kingdom Come]

Wait, which wolf was that?

 

[Shade613]

The soldier has to have been born before OoT for the theory to work. If there was such a skilled soldier why would his skills be secret? It would make sense for him to teach the other soldiers so Hyrule would be protected instead of some random farm boy being taught. Also if TP Link isn't related to OoT link why would he have the triforce of courage? I doubt the goddesses randomly give out pieces of the triforce.

 

[Scott!]

It doesn't have to be random for the Links to not be related. The Goddesses could just choose worthy boys at opportune moments. I'm not saying that they can't be related. I just think it's too much of a stretch to say that they all must be related when there's minimal circumstantial evidence at best.

 

[Shade613]

TP link had the triforce of courage since the start of the game. The goddesses are obviously not omnipotent. How would they know TP Link won't choose to assassinate the hyrule royal family? Why would they trust someone who has done absolutley nothing to protect hyrule?

 

[Clownbot]

Well (this is just my two cents), not all Links have to be related, but they all have the.... essence of the hero. I mean, it's sort of like a reincarnation thing.

EDIT: Shade, the goddesses kind of.... ARE omnipotent.

 

[Shade613]

If the goddesses were omnipotent they wouldn't leave the triforce sitting around, ganon wouldn't have been born. The goddesses might not even exsist in hyrule. Why doesn't din,farore, or nayru just kill ganon. I'm fine with the reincarnation idea but, that means all the links in the timeline after MM are the same person. The WW link is a different person though.

 

[Clownbot]

OoT Link =/= TP Link. When you say all the Links in the timeline after MM are the same, I don't know if you're trying to say they're in the same family, but they're definitely not the same person.

As for your point about WW Link, I don't know what you're trying to prove. I mean, just because he's not a member an older Link's bloodline doesn't mean he can't be Link reincarnated.

 

[Shade613]

Reincarnation is being born again. Since link was reincarnated that means he was born again. I don't know why I was talking about WW link either.

 

[Kingdom Come]

OoT/MM Link= Ancestor of TP Link

OoT/MM Link= Legend in WW

I guess he was just the dude that gods chose in WW?

 

[Jonkku]

But doesn't Ganon say in WW that that game's Link is the Hero of Time, reincarnated.
Right after defeating Puppet Ganon, I believe.

Or was he just making a metaphor?

 

[SinkingHigher]

Nope FinNess, he actually tells you that you are "completely unrelated" to the original hero of time.

 

[Jonkku]

Nope FinNess, he actually tells you that you are "completely unrelated" to the original hero of time.

Wait.. Does he? I remember he said that Link is the reborn OoT Link. (Haven't played that part of the game for several years)

*several minutes and a youtube search later*

Youtube link

 

[Rapax]

The soldier has to have been born before OoT for the theory to work. If there was such a skilled soldier why would his skills be secret? It would make sense for him to teach the other soldiers so Hyrule would be protected instead of some random farm boy being taught. Also if TP Link isn't related to OoT link why would he have the triforce of courage? I doubt the goddesses randomly give out pieces of the triforce.

Because he teaches him secret skills. Maybe the soldiers simply were not good enough (because they were only soldiers and not chosen "farmboys") for them or didn't share a bloodline or something. There could be so many reasons...

But look at orca, he doesn't look in any possible way similar to the shade. The shade looks like a really strong soldier, orca looks just like an old grandpa who fought long time ago... And he is not as tall as the shade.

The shade could also be a swordmaster from TMC (you remember them?). They teached you also secret techs...

Or he is maybe an older version of link or a forgotten hero who fell into an ambush and was not able to complete his fate or whatever...

But orca doesn't seem plausible for me...

 

[Darkurai]

If the goddesses were omnipotent they wouldn't leave the triforce sitting around, ganon wouldn't have been born. The goddesses might not even exsist in hyrule. Why doesn't din,farore, or nayru just kill ganon.

ooh new theory coming up.

But doesn't Ganon say in WW that that game's Link is the Hero of Time, reincarnated.
Right after defeating Puppet Ganon, I believe.

Or was he just making a metaphor?

Irrelevant. It's said that the skills do not leave the bloodline. Reincarnation has nothing to do with your bloodline.

The soldier has to have been born before OoT for the theory to work. If there was such a skilled soldier why would his skills be secret? It would make sense for him to teach the other soldiers so Hyrule would be protected instead of some random farm boy being taught. Also if TP Link isn't related to OoT link why would he have the triforce of courage? I doubt the goddesses randomly give out pieces of the triforce.

He could've been a great hero, akin to the Hero of Time; just not on a "saving the world from the King of Darkness" scale.

TP link had the triforce of courage since the start of the game. The goddesses are obviously not omnipotent. How would they know TP Link won't choose to assassinate the hyrule royal family? Why would they trust someone who has done absolutley nothing to protect hyrule?

The Goddesses do not appear to choose who has the parts of the Triforce. The Triforce parts go to who most fits their description. Link gets the Triforce of Courage because he's the most courageous person in Hyrule, just as Zelda is the wisest and Ganondorf is the most powerful.

 

[Rapax]

ooh new theory coming up.

What new theory? >_>

God's are no drink dispensers where you throw in a coin and get coca cola out. They can't intervent in the humans life. They don't just come down to earth and kill bad guys. Don't be stupid.

As you would know if you would have red the story, the godnesses retreat to garden eden after they left the triforce. They are simply not present in hyrule. They may probably not even know what is going on there.

And even if they know, they just can't go down and kill people. Especially not one who bears the triforce of power >_>

Ganondorf is a chosen one. It is like it is. He can only be killed from the chosen one who wields the master sword.

(I don't believe in god, but it is simply the same in our world: He won't come down and kill terrorists and other bad boys >_>)

 

[Darkurai]

What new theory? >_>

God's are no drink dispensers where you throw in a coin and get coca cola out. They can't intervent in the humans life. They don't just come down to earth and kill bad guys. Don't be stupid.

As you would know if you would have red the story, the godnesses retreat to garden eden after they left the triforce. They are simply not present in hyrule. They may probably not even know what is going on there.

And even if they know, they just can't go down and kill people. Especially not one who bears the triforce of power >_>

Ganondorf is a chosen one. It is like it is. He can only be killed from the chosen one who wields the master sword.

(I don't believe in god, but it is simply the same in our world: He won't come down and kill terrorists and other bad boys >_>)

It's actually not the same in our world. I admit I'm getting off topic here, but the Goddesses of Hyrule were specifically said to have left this world. God of our world never "left" us.

 

[Rapax]

It's actually not the same in our world. I admit I'm getting off topic here, but the Goddesses of Hyrule were specifically said to have left this world. God of our world never "left" us.

Yes, that might be true. But like you said: They left. So there is no reason to expect a intervention of them. And i don't see why they should come back.

Also even if they should, it's not a world where you give something (in this case the triforce of power) to someone and then take it back, just because you are funny...

It is a world where you give it to someone and then kill him twice so that even the triforce can't bring him back to life. (at least it seems so)


Edit:

To come back to topic: I would say that the shade is a very old version of a Link. I would say that because i saw 2 things on pictures i looked through: He wields the sowrd in the same hand as Link (there is no other person in the games that wield his weapon the same way as far as i can tell) and he has a very old looking armor.

That excludes Orca for me to 100%. Because he wields his weapon in the right hand.

 

[Shade613]

What new theory? >_>

God's are no drink dispensers where you throw in a coin and get coca cola out. They can't intervent in the humans life. They don't just come down to earth and kill bad guys. Don't be stupid.

As you would know if you would have red the story, the godnesses retreat to garden eden after they left the triforce. They are simply not present in hyrule. They may probably not even know what is going on there.

And even if they know, they just can't go down and kill people. Especially not one who bears the triforce of power >_>

Ganondorf is a chosen one. It is like it is. He can only be killed from the chosen one who wields the master sword.

(I don't believe in god, but it is simply the same in our world: He won't come down and kill terrorists and other bad boys >_>)

They are all powerful beings they can do whatever they want.

If the goddesses do exsit then why don't they here people praying. They created the triforce by bumping into each other. They should be able to destroy it by blinking in its general direction. They created the master sword, they could create more.
The goddesses leaving could just be an excuse as to why they aren't in hyrule.
The olny reason I can think of to explain why they do nothing is that they like to be entertained.

 

[Darkurai]

To come back to topic: I would say that the shade is a very old version of a Link. I would say that because i saw 2 things on pictures i looked through: He wields the sowrd in the same hand as Link (there is no other person in the games that wield his weapon the same way as far as i can tell) and he has a very old looking armor.

That excludes Orca for me to 100%. Because he wields his weapon in the right hand.

If I may?

Worst argument ever.

I do hope you realize that even though left-handedness may be a dominant genetic trait, dominant traits can easily be lost somewhere in the bloodline.

I'm sorry to be rude, but really, this seems to be grasping.

 

[etecoon]

yeah, if link can have pink hair, he can be right handed

I still don't think orca is really related to the hero of time per se, though.

 

[Rapax]

If I may?

Worst argument ever.

I do hope you realize that even though left-handedness may be a dominant genetic trait, dominant traits can easily be lost somewhere in the bloodline.

I'm sorry to be rude, but really, this seems to be grasping.

Sorry, but you can say what you want. It is NOT a bad arguement. Look: Every single Link uses his left hand, also the shade do so and absolutely no other character, so, who are you to say that there might be one who dont?

But let us say i'm not right. What do you have to say?

Both teaches Link secret skills.
Also the swordmaster ghosts in TMC do so ._.

So, what is left? Nothing.

Also i assume that orca never wielded the master sword. But i must assume that the shade did so. Didn't he say something in the way that he was a hero too, long time ago? So, what hero could he be if not "Link"? Heracles? >_>

"Although I accepted life as the hero, I could not convey the lessons of that life to those that came after. At last, I have eased my regrets." —Hero's Spirit

Be serious. Disprove my arguements reputable, or let it be.

But the genetic is NOT a disprove.

 

[Kingdom Come]

I still don't think orca is really related to the hero of time per se, though.

And, your absolutely right!

There is no possible way Orca could be a descendant of the Hero of Time, because after Link defeats Ganon he goes back to his time. He didn't get busy with some chick so there is no possible way, and WW takes place in the Adult Link timeline.

 

[Darkurai]

Look: Every single Link uses his left hand

also the shade do so and absolutely no other character, so, who are you to say that there might be one who dont?

Perhaps the fact that it's not like we're talking about some insane combination of hair and eye color that that no one else in Hyrule has.
*writes down idea for new theory*
We're talking about which hand he uses.

But let us say i'm not right. What do you have to say?

Both teaches Link secret skills.
Also the swordmaster ghosts in TMC do so ._.

So, what is left? Nothing.

Except these skills are specifically said to be passed down through the bloodline, and the bloodline alone. I believe that The Minish Cap is the first Zelda game (not because of any of that silly "hat" business, although that could be some symbolism at least), so the Blade Brothers could've been the ancestors for the Hero's Shade.

Also i assume that orca never wielded the master sword. But i must assume that the shade did so. Didn't he say something in the way that he was a hero too, long time ago? So, what hero could he be if not "Link"? Heracles? >_>

So only the Hero of Time can be a hero? What about the "Hero of Man" spoken of in the legends in The Minish Cap?

 

[Rapax]

@ your picture: He wields it in the right hand, because it is for wii q_q
Would it be for GC he still wielded it left... So that doesn't count. It's just because the most people are right-handed and it is easier to play with wii remote when Link is also right handed...

Your last 2 points sound good. Thats a statement i can live with =)

 

[Darkurai]

@ your picture: He wields it in the right hand, because it is for wii q_q
Would it be for GC he still wielded it left... So that doesn't count. It's just because the most people are right-handed and it is easier to play with wii remote when Link is also right handed..

I'm afraid you're grasping.

Yes, I suppose he would be left-handed if it was for GameCube, but the point is it's not, and he's right-handed.

 

[Rapax]

I'm afraid you're grasping.

Yes, I suppose he would be left-handed if it was for GameCube, but the point is it's not, and he's right-handed.

Uuhh, sorry for the silly off-topic question... But i don't get what you mean with "grasping"...

Isn't "grasping" another word for "greedy"?

Why should i am greedy?