Legend of Zelda Archive: Theory Thread

[Mewter]

Actually, I think Ochobobo is right about the small Deku Tree sprout. It makes sense that there would be a new Deku tree in either timeline, but the adult one would be the only one with the late-sprouting one. There was nothing ever mentioned about the Deku Tree sprout having to sprout simply because of fate. When it said "Ganon's magic was the only thing keeping me from sprouting" or something like that, that implied that he was trying to sprout anyways. So, since there was no dark magic in the child timeline, he would have grown earlier.

tl:dr, it was implied by the Deku Tree sprout itself that it was going to grow anyway, regardless of magic or not, so it would have appeared in both timelines.

As for the Kokiri theory, that sounds interesting. It's a real possibility, but what if the monkeys are just friends of the Kokiri?

 

[Spire]

Actually, I think Ochobobo is right about the small Deku Tree sprout. It makes sense that there would be a new Deku tree in either timeline, but the adult one would be the only one with the late-sprouting one. There was nothing ever mentioned about the Deku Tree sprout having to sprout simply because of fate. When it said "Ganon's magic was the only thing keeping me from sprouting" or something like that, that implied that he was trying to sprout anyways. So, since there was no dark magic in the child timeline, he would have grown earlier.

tl:dr, it was implied by the Deku Tree sprout itself that it was going to grow anyway, regardless of magic or not, so it would have appeared in both timelines.

As for the Kokiri theory, that sounds interesting. It's a real possibility, but what if the monkies are just friends of the Kokiri?

The only flaw lies in the fact that there is no Deku Tree in Twilight Princess. If there was, you can be sure that we would have visited it.

 

[Mewter]

The only flaw lies in the fact that there is no Deku Tree in Twilight Princess. If there was, you can be sure that we would have visited it.

Something could have happened to it.
IMO, it has just as much possibility as the Kokiri somehow becoming monkeys.

 

[Clownbot]

The only flaw lies in the fact that there is no Deku Tree in Twilight Princess. If there was, you can be sure that we would have visited it.

I believe there was a large stump in Hyrule Field that some believe to be what was once a GDT.

....I don't necessarily support this, just throwing it out there as a possibility.

 

[Ochobobo]

Maybe the Deku Tree got destroyed in the third Hero of Time adventure we've been waiting for.

 

[jumpman9793]

The only flaw lies in the fact that there is no Deku Tree in Twilight Princess. If there was, you can be sure that we would have visited it.

I always wondered if the Forest Temple in TP was made out of the remains of the great Deku Tree, and a new one didnt sprout until after Links adventure. Mabye we'll see one in Zelda Wii 2?

 

[Spire]

I believe there was a large stump in Hyrule Field that some believe to be what was once a GDT.

....I don't necessarily support this, just throwing it out there as a possibility.

Yeah, I considered that the first time I discovered it in TP. However, it's located on the top of the "island" that houses the Water/Lakebed Temple at its base, so that's a surefire indicator that it's probably the lone tree seen in OoT's Lake Hylia. It grew until it died and broke.

Maybe the Deku Tree got destroyed in the third Hero of Time adventure we've been waiting for.

A legitimate possibility.

I always wondered if the Forest Temple in TP was made out of the remains of the great Deku Tree, and a new one didnt sprout until after Links adventure. Mabye we'll see one in Zelda Wii 2?

And from the fact that the TP Forest Temple has round doors with the Kokiri Symbol about 99% clarifies this. The fact that the monkeys make their home in the Forest Temple (Great Deku Tree's remains) just about cements that they are indeed the Kokiri.

Also, if you consider that TP is a rehash of OoT, the first dungeon in both games is the Great Deku Tree, essentially.

 

[Shade613]

Another flaw in the theory is why would they evolve into monkeys when they can evolve into hylains which are closer in body structure than the monkeys.

 

[Spire]

Another flaw in the theory is why would they evolve into monkeys when they can evolve into hylains which are closer in body structure than the monkeys.

Because they don't have control over it. They wouldn't evolve into Hylians because Hylians are Hylians. That's like saying Gorons have the ability to evolve into people if they want. The Kokiri are basically governed by the Deku Trees, and since by TP the only Deku Tree has died, they sort-of "devolve" (Are we not men? We are Devo!).

So no, not a "flaw" in logic.

 

[Mewter]

Actually, It would be less "evolution" than magical transformation.
That makes sense. But still, something would have to happen to the DT Sprout. Maybe the forest temple was actually the Sprout?

 

[Spire]

Actually, It would be less "evolution" than magical transformation.
That makes sense. But still, something would have to happen to the DT Sprout. Maybe the forest temple was actually the Sprout?

No way man. The Forest Temple was far too big to be a little sprout. Think about what that sprout grew into in WW and how small it actually was compared to the Great Deku Tree. It was still a young Deku Tree. The Forest Temple definitely had to be the actual Great Deku Tree's remains.

 

[Scott!]

Plus, there wasn't a sprout in that timeline as far as we know of, right?

 

[Mewter]

Plus, there wasn't a sprout in that timeline as far as we know of, right?

It was implied, though.
Plus, I thought the Great Deku Tree died following the defeat of Queen Gohma? How would it continue growing?

 

[Spire]

It was implied, though.
Plus, I thought the Great Deku Tree died following the defeat of Queen Gohma? How would it continue growing?

Actually, I just noticed that the Forest Temple is composed of two trees. The first tree (that you enter through) is smaller. The second tree - that you access across the large gusty chasm - is larger and resembles the Great Deku Tree much more, including the boss chamber that is easily the room right before Gohma in OoT (with the water and the Deku Scrubs).

So, the second tree may very well have grown then.

 

[Darkurai]

It was implied, though.

Not in the slightest.

 

[Mewter]

Not in the slightest.

Not in the slightest? What do you mean?
"Because you and Saria broke the curse on the Forest Temple, I can grow and flourish!"
This heavily implies that it was going to grow anyways.

 

[Spire]

Not in the slightest? What do you mean?
"Because you and Saria broke the curse on the Forest Temple, I can grow and flourish!"
This heavily implies that it was going to grow anyways.

There was no curse on the Forest Temple when Link was a child. The sapling was planted during his seven year sleep. The game states that Ganondorf rose to power during this time due to him entering the Sacred Realm and obtaining the Triforce of Power, so with that, he was able to curse the Forest Temple.

If the Forest Temple and subsequently all of the other temples were cursed while you were a child, then Lake Hylia would be drained, the Gorons imprisoned in the Fire Temple, the shadow from beneath the well would not have destroyed Kakariko and taken refuge in the Shadow Temple as Bongo Bongo.

But like I said in my last post, it's still possible if you overanalyze the Forest Temple's design in TP. But there is zero proof in OoT of a sapling in the Child Timeline.

 

[Darkurai]

Not to mention zero implication of one in the child timeline.

I mean, yeah, we can assume, but there's no evidence.

 

[Spire]

Verdict guys? I vote no Deku Tree Sapling in CT.

 

[Mewter]

Verdict guys? I vote no Deku Tree Sapling in CT.

Ditto .

 

[Scott!]

I also cast my vote on the nay side.

 

[Ochobobo]

I vote yes, but it was somehow destroyed, in order to explain the lack of a Deku Tree and devolution of the Kokiri in TP. I really don't see a reason not to replant it after the Great Deku Tree died.

(unless it grows automatically whenever a Great Deku Tree dies)

 

[Rapax]

Wow, this is really amazing. I don't know any game that is such interesting and complicate =)

 

[SinkingHigher]

Anyone else notice a similarity between the eyes of Majora's Mask and the eyes of the Kokiri Monkeys in TP?

Any link there? (pun intended)

 

[Spire]

Anyone else notice a similarity between the eyes of Majora's Mask and the eyes of the Kokiri Monkeys in TP?

Any link there? (pun intended)

Hmm... I wouldn't think too far into it other than the possible relation between the TP Monkeys and the TP Skull Kid, seeing as how both were Kokiri once. Their head shape resembles Majora's Mask far too much though.

 

[SinkingHigher]

Perhaps skull kid put a curse on the kokiri and changed them into monkeys while you were dilly dallying around Termina. He can warp after all. Wouldn't take much time.

This is just a random theory though. It's credibility is minimal at best.

I wonder if Majora got word of the Hero of Time and knowing the boy's destiny tried to find him. The mask WAS in hyrule at one point after all. I would love for the ancient hero you hear of in MM to have been a previous or possibly future Link.

 

[Darkurai]

New theory: The monkeys are reincarnations of Majora him/her/taco/itself.

 

[Clownbot]

Doubtful, imo. I don't see any credibility behind it at all.

 

[Spire]

New theory: The monkeys are reincarnations of Majora him/her/taco/itself.

Don't jump ship, Darkurai.

Many design elements are borrowed and shared with otherwise unrelated material, like Majora and monkeys. All in all, it could simply be a coincidence and probably is.

However, if you're willing to do research on the subject, I'd gladly read your thoughts (if only I could do so telepathically).

 

[Darkurai]

I...I was joking.

Protip: When you run a theory thread, do not post a joke post starting with "new theory" in that thread.

 

[zaneebaslave]

New theory: The monkeys are reincarnations of Majora him/her/taco/itself.

... You sick monster.

 

[Spire]

I...I was joking.

Protip: When you run a theory thread, do not post a joke post starting with "new theory" in that thread.

For the hell of it, let's explore the possibility. What'd'ya say?

First and only rule: don't rule out anything.

...

So Skull Kid screws around with the Kokiri (who were once his brethren) using Majora's Mask while Link is trying to fix Termina. Link would return back to Hyrule following the events of MM to find that all those he grew up with had become monkeys and taken refuge in the remains of the Great Deku Tree. This could potentially be a good lead into a third adventure. Perhaps Majora actually did something to Hyrule while Link was in Termina, eh? It could explain the Temple of Time in ruins, and given Skull Kid's proximity to it within the Sacred Grove, this might be a possibility.

 

[Darkurai]

Perhaps, though I can't really see too much evidence to back it up.

Besides, I already have an actual theory in the works for Wind Waker.

 

[Shade613]

Perhaps, though I can't really see too much evidence to back it up.

Besides, I already have an actual theory in the works for Wind Waker.

Well the monkeys' heads are heart shaped like Majora's Mask.

 

[Scott!]

Don't they bear a strong resemblance to the monkeys in MM's woods? The ones that lead you to Koume/Kotake (I forget which one)? I automatically thought of those monkeys when I saw the TP ones. Not sure how that affects this theory, but if I know what I'm talking about, it's a link to MM with the monkeys.

 

[Spire]

Kokiri = Termina Monkeys?

Don't they bear a strong resemblance to the monkeys in MM's woods? The ones that lead you to Koume/Kotake (I forget which one)? I automatically thought of those monkeys when I saw the TP ones. Not sure how that affects this theory, but if I know what I'm talking about, it's a link to MM with the monkeys.

Actually, here's something very interesting to consider...

The Kokiri did not have counterparts in Termina. I've actually never thought of that until now (except for maybe when I played it in 2000). It's entirely possible though, that the monkeys are the Kokiri's counterparts, but just as Termina plays oppositely to Hyrule, the Deku have established civilization and the Kokiri (monkeys) live wild in the Woods of Mystery, rather than the Kokiri living in their own area (Kokiri Forest), and the Deku living in the Lost Woods.

 

[Mewter]

Actually, here's something very interesting to consider...

The Kokiri did not have counterparts in Termina. I've actually never thought of that until now (except for maybe when I played it in 2000). It's entirely possible though, that the monkeys are the Kokiri's counterparts, but just as Termina plays oppositely to Hyrule, the Deku have established civilization and the Kokiri (monkeys) live wild in the Woods of Mystery, rather than the Kokiri living in their own area (Kokiri Forest), and the Deku living in the Lost Woods.

What if Majora's Mask took place far past the future of Twilight Princess?
Link could have time-traveled "to" Termina, unless there's something wrong with this.

 

[Darkurai]

Actually, here's something very interesting to consider...

The Kokiri did not have counterparts in Termina. I've actually never thought of that until now (except for maybe when I played it in 2000). It's entirely possible though, that the monkeys are the Kokiri's counterparts, but just as Termina plays oppositely to Hyrule, the Deku have established civilization and the Kokiri (monkeys) live wild in the Woods of Mystery, rather than the Kokiri living in their own area (Kokiri Forest), and the Deku living in the Lost Woods.

A good theory. Though I'm against the idea of Termina being an alternate world. There's nothing in the game to actually suggest this besides the same character models, which is easily just the designers being lazy.

 

[Spire]

A good theory. Though I'm against the idea of Termina being an alternate world. There's nothing in the game to actually suggest this besides the same character models, which is easily just the designers being lazy.

There have been official statements of it being a parallel world since its release. The majority that I've read have namely been from Nintendo Power, but it's an unfortunate truth because I really want to believe that Majora's Mask is all a nightmare.

Also, Majora's Mask has to take place around the OoT time because of the Gerudo and other reused people.

I'm with you Darkurai, I'm honestly not a fan of the "parallel world" crap.

 

[Darkurai]

There have been official statements of it being a parallel world since its release. The majority that I've read have namely been from Nintendo Power, but it's an unfortunate truth because I really want to believe that Majora's Mask is all a nightmare.

Also, Majora's Mask has to take place around the OoT time because of the Gerudo and other reused people.

I'm with you Darkurai, I'm honestly not a fan of the "parallel world" crap.

Actually, being the cynical ******* that I am, I highly doubt they intended to do that parallel world thing. I'd wager that they only used that as an excuse to reuse the old models.