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[xDD-Master]

The way we did it were 80 first seeds, 80 second seeds, 80 third seeds, 160 fourth seeds.

So, out of GIMR and Kunai. Who were 2nd & 3rd Seed? (I assume FoW is 1st and the other 2 being 4th seed)

Compared to other Pools this pool is really hard... Idk, but to me both of them seem to be -at least- Top 160.

 

[LLDL]

Any chance melee pools will be up tonight?

Probably not, fullmetal says he's off of work tomorrow and will submit for review tomorrow.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

it's straight. nobody knows dr. yogi except people that KNOW dr. yogi lol.

 

[Isatis]

Yo Sharky, BlackChris, XDDMaster (and anyone else who's bringing this up), either hit Diem up on his Facebook or on his AIM (iDiembrandonL) for the pool issues. He is in control of the pools and I'm just the middle-man in all of this lol

 

[Black Mantis]

it's straight. nobody knows dr. yogi except people that KNOW dr. yogi lol.

Yo this killed me Chris. lol!

edit yeah i introduced dr.yogi to mekos. they go to the same college i recently graduated from

 

[What's The Point]

Wait, how are 2nd round pools going to be made? Top 2 out of 80 pools is 160 people. You need 32 pools to make a 64 man bracket with 2 people getting out of pools. That means you need to make 5 man pools but you have an even number of 1st and 2nd seeds. Will some pools have three 1st seed and two 2nd seeds while others have two 1st and three 2nd?

 

[Djent]

WTP just said what I was wondering lol.

 

[CT Chia]

I personally have a problem with the pools.

Currently it's 80 pools of 5 people each or so. Top 2 advance.

This gives us 80 1 seeds and 80 2 seeds.

After this, they are going to do a second round of pools. We have 160 people going into round 2 of pools, and they want to do 32 pools of 5. Here's the problem though, 32 does not go into 80 evenly. This means approximately half of the round 2 pools will have 3 1st seed players in them while the other half will have only 2 1st seed players. This makes them very imbalanced.

I personally think we should instead do:

Round 1 of pools with 64 pools of 6-7 people each. Advance 4 players from each pool and you have an even 256p bracket seeded properly.

Now even though a 256 bracket sounds daunting, in terms of time, they are less than an hour of difference. Even though we won't have 128 TVs so the first round of the big bracket is done in waves, with the other plan we won't have 80 TVs so that would be done in two waves also.

Basically my plan would possibly have a little lower efficiency in terms of organization, but saves time from not needing to create a round 2 of pools. But the biggest advantage is having 100% accurate seeding, since it all uses powers of 2.

What do you guys think is best?

For the record, I have nothing to do with the current 80 pool system.

 

[Black Mantis]

I personally have a problem with the pools.

Currently it's 80 pools of 5 people each or so. Top 2 advance.

This gives us 80 1 seeds and 80 2 seeds.

After this, they are going to do a second round of pools. We have 160 people going into round 2 of pools, and they want to do 32 pools of 5. Here's the problem though, 32 does not go into 80 evenly. This means approximately half of the round 2 pools will have 3 1st seed players in them while the other half will have only 2 1st seed players. This makes them very imbalanced.

I personally think we should instead do:

Round 1 of pools with 64 pools of 6-7 people each. Advance 4 players from each pool and you have an even 256p bracket seeded properly.

Now even though a 256 bracket sounds daunting, in terms of time, they are less than an hour of difference. Even though we won't have 128 TVs so the first round of the big bracket is done in waves, with the other plan we won't have 80 TVs so that would be done in two waves also.

Basically my plan would possibly have a little lower efficiency in terms of organization, but saves time from not needing to create a round 2 of pools. But the biggest advantage is having 100% accurate seeding, since it all uses powers of 2.

What do you guys think is best?

For the record, I have nothing to do with the current 80 pool system.

this is kinda legit

 

[xDD-Master]

Yo Sharky, BlackChris, XDDMaster (and anyone else who's bringing this up), either hit Diem up on his Facebook or on his AIM (iDiembrandonL) for the pool issues. He is in control of the pools and I'm just the middle-man in all of this lol

Done. He already answered and said it was an error and will be changed.

 

[_Kadaj_]

How many rounds are there again?

 

[Djent]

80 pools of 5, top 2 advance
80 pools of 2, top 1 advances
16 pools of 5, top 4 advance
Problem solved.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

LOL ^ that is a very creative solution

 

[CT Chia]

There might be better solutions than mine, but it's more that I think dm's solution is poor since it makes the worst possible round 2 pools. You could do the 256 people into a round 2 of pools into a 32 or 64 bracket I suppose and it might even out to be the same time wise.

 

[Yikarur]

FOUR HUNDRED BABYS

hype

 

[da K.I.D.]

It's ok, don't be scared.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYCNQVIA-xg#t=43s

 

[Isatis]

There is no time for a 256 man bracket to finish in one day though. As he said before, even if we ran at MLG efficiently we would have to take out pools altogether.

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[Bl@ckChris]

lol some first seeds are just gonna get **** on then.

i guess that's what happens when you have more 1st seeds than spots in the bracket though.

lol.

 

[xDD-Master]

@Chibo:

Bracket with 256 people is STUPID. It looks ******** (You have to scrooooooooooooo
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Better do more pool-rounds.

400 -> 256 -> 128 -> 64 [-> 32]

That would work.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

that would work if we had 3 days to do the tourney lol.

you guys do realize that this has to be mostly done in a day right? and...it's brawl. jus sayin.

 

[xDD-Master]

Actually (just to show you a "dimension")

2 pool rounds with 4 pools a 4 players (Top 2 adv) are quicker than
1 pool round with 4 pools a 8 players (Top 4 adv)

(Assuming the pool creation will be done quickly - which idk if its guaranteed)

The only way to do it quicker would be
1 pool round with 8 pools a 4 players (Top 1 adv)

But I dont think I have to explain why that would be stupid, right?



Therefore: Doing many pool round with low player numbers will be quick, as long as the creation of the pools themeselves is done really quick.



Going into detail:
A pool with 4 players has 6 matches, 4 pools would mean 32 matches. 2 rounds would mean 64 matches.
A pool with 8 players has 28 matches, 4 pools would mean 112 matches. 1 round would still mean 112 matches.

You could now put in number of set-ups (So you know how many matches can be played at the same time), time to create pools, time for brawl sets (~20 minutes). In the end you would know which way you are best.

Only thing that beats pools timewise is, as chibo already presented, bracket. But Bracket has horrible cons, especially the larger they get.

 

[t3h Icy]

So basically, anyone that gets 2nd Seed in Brawl is ****ed.

gl;hf

 

[Djent]

We already knew that tho.

 

[NickRiddle]

Ugh, I hate Wario.
Even GA ones.

NickRiddle
Micaelis
Sails
RingofFire
Leaf.

Sorry, leaf, I'm going to destroy you.
I have no idea who Sails or RingofFire is...
So... free.

 

[Djent]

Sails mains :diddybrawl: I think...

 

[What's The Point]

Hypothetical round 2 pools. Just mixed the top 2 listed in each pool. Mostly for an idea of what round 2 will look like skill wise.

Spoiler

Pool 1
DEHF
UltimateRazer
Seagull
Telu
Dueler X

Pool 2
Neo
Denti
Trevonte
Golden-Psyco
Dil

Pool 3
Cable
ZEX
Adam Gibson
Hall
Patches

Pool 4
Zekey
Will
MorKs
Snow Shard
Tin Man

Pool 5
Vex
Reflex
Grimace
Sean
Zorai

Pool 6
Otori
Stingers
Kai
MJG
Speed

Pool 7
San
Jtails
Orion
FILIP
M. Prime

Pool 8
Tyrant
Mew2King
Viviff
Keitaro
Mampam

Pool 9
FOW
Leon
Mekos
Zori
TeeVee

Pool 10
Rich Brown
Bizkit
Shugo
LEFFEN
PikaPika

Pool 11
Nicole
Trela
Redhalberd
PentaSalia
shadow1pj

Pool 12
swordgard
Salem
Arty
SlikVik
DRN

Pool 13
NickRiddle
lain
LOF| Bleach
dapuffster
Darc

Pool 14
OCEAN
Tearbear
Shadow
Sago
fUddO

Pool 15
Ally
Vinnie
Yukhoe
Snakee
Jbandrew

Pool 16
Nientono
Espy
Chu Dat
JaimeHR
Hunger

Pool 17
Poltergust
Atomsk
Micaelis
TKila
FatboySlim

Pool 18
MVD
NinjaLink
Seibrik
Hylian
Pink Fresh

Pool 19
Bill_
Ryo
Rain
GDX
Bassem

Pool 20
kismet
mikeHAZE
Naugs
Player-1
4GOD

Pool 21
dabuz
vVv Zero
GAM3MA
nysyarc
King Funk

Pool 22
Mr-R
ANTi
kingtoon
John12346
Y.b.M.

Pool 23
kakera
Logic
Gnes
Crash
Nakat

Pool 24
HolyNightmare
K Prime
Firefly
Domo
Z

Pool 25
Havok
Nairo
Fino
GimR
Deltacod

Pool 26
Dojo
coney
Illmatic
White
Croi

Pool 27
Brood
_X_
Toronto Joe
vVv Cheese
Xaltis

Pool 28
Bloodcross
ADHD
Sky`
Meekspeedy
Da1AndOnlySonic

Pool 29
Kain
Fatal
Doom
Crifer
DLA

Pool 30
Stroumbert
pwii
iKon
KiD
Karamity

Pool 31
vVv Esam
Zeton
Inui
vVv ChiboSempai
Mr.L

Pool 32
Neath
WarioMaster15
Sync
Kadaj
pidezero_one

 

[NO-IDea]

Anyone know who LOF Bleach is? Is that Bleachigo?

 

[Djent]

Something tells me that Tyrant/Mew2King and Ally/Vinnie wouldn't go down in pools, probably not FOW/Leon either (though that one is slightly more plausible).

 

[da K.I.D.]

lol some first seeds are just gonna get **** on then.

i guess that's what happens when you have more 1st seeds than spots in the bracket though.

lol.

Ive been telling people this forever.

 

[Djent]

So the Apex site actually says 406 entrants ... what happened to The Lost 6 during pool creation?

 

[_Kadaj_]

IF the 2nd round pools are seeded properly I think it'll be fine

 

[Isatis]

Brawl Only only combines the people who entered a Brawl event (All Brawl, Brawl Doubles, or Brawl Singles)

edit: pools updated http://apexsmash.com/brawlpoolsr1/

 

[Nintendude]

If anyone entered Smash 64 and wouldn't mind selling their spot to megavolt or valoem please send me a PM.

 

[Djent]

Oh okay makes sense ... update already?!? You guys are solid.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Seems i lucked out getting Trela. Time for that pound 5 salty runback.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Pool 17 FOW
GimR
Izumi
Thiocyanide
KoRoBeNiKi


Lol 3 people from NJ in my pool including me.

Edit: I know of that rule, still loling.

 

[Djent]

They had to swap out the german :toonlinkbrawl: for Izumi because international players aren't supposed to get **** seeds. Also, I don't think the # per region restriction applies to NY/NJ.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Djent is right on the NY/NJ part

that was stated a bit earlier before pools were released

 

[Player-1]

An idea would be to add 1 more pool for 81 pools. 81 pools = 162 people in 2nd round pools. 6 man pools top 3 get out = 27 pools. 81 man bracket with 15 byes? Maybe something similar to this, adding an extra pool might fix some stuff out for 2nd round pools.

 

[stingers]

DJent.


ask the ddd boards.

4god is really really good.

the ddds are talking like this is going to be his break out tournament on to the national radar.

He's good but he's got stuff to work on still (going off the last time I played him). I don't think he's gonna be doing anything like you're saying lol.