Ally Is Inhuman. Updated 1/10: New vids vs M2k!!!!! Anther

[Ambient_Horizon]

I get why people say Ally sucks. Its because people are expecting these amazing 0 to death combos when its really he's doing some fairly basic things.

Noobs tend to overlook that its the basics that shape the mold of EVERY player's playing style. I respect Ally because he excels at the basics and tricks people into some of the most genious set ups Ive ever seen. Like when I watched the video of him going up agaist that Falco I was really intrigued about how all of his combos were simple but ingenious.

This game isn't Guilty Gear where you do some obscene 11 hit combo followed by a special move. This is Smash Bros Brawl and it takes some real skill and ingenuity to be able to pull of the kind of tactics that people like Ally and KingAce and Azen can do. Have you ever noticed how the people criticizing the pros' playing style are just nobodys who are jealous because they want to be where the pros are but they just end up playing nothing but online matches in their basement and call themselves good? Insteading hating on these people you should take some notes and learn a few things. These people are called pros for a reason. And I'm not on the "OMG ALLY IS SO AWESOME" train but I do respect him as a player ; he has some real skill.

 

[OverLade]

I get why people say Ally sucks. Its because people are expecting these amazing 0 to death combos when its really he's doing some fairly basic things.

Noobs tend to overlook that its the basics that shape the mold of EVERY player's playing style. I respect Ally because he excels at the basics and tricks people into some of the most genious set ups Ive ever seen. Like when I watched the video of him going up agaist that Falco I was really intrigued about how all of his combos were simple but ingenious.

This game isn't Guilty Gear where you do some obscene 11 hit combo followed by a special move. This is Smash Bros Brawl and it takes some real skill and ingenuity to be able to pull of the kind of tactics that people like Ally and KingAce and Azen can do. Have you ever noticed how the people criticizing the pros' playing style are just nobodys who are jealous because they want to be where the pros are but they just end up playing nothing but online matches in their basement and call themselves good? Insteading hating on these people you should take some notes and learn a few things. These people are called pros for a reason. And I'm not on the "OMG ALLY IS SO AWESOME" train but I do respect him as a player ; he has some real skill.

Don't criticize people who play online. Ally played all online before he went to his first tournament and ***** everyone.

What people fail to realize is that there are hidden gems, amazing players who simply can't make it to tournaments yet, but if they did would be some of the most amazing players in brawl, so instead they play online.

Samboner and Renegade come to mind. Mero, me, Master Raven and wonderbread are 4 metaknights in Florida who haven't gotten enough exposure, but from the feedback we've received, any of the 4 of us could be the best Meta in FL. We all play online, but that doesn't make us noobs.

But not being able to get out doesn't say anything about someones skill. Anyone with sense watching ally play online or offline can tell he's extremely smart. Same goes for any other online player.

 

[choknater]

Ally is very good.

 

[Ambient_Horizon]

Don't criticize people who play online. Ally played all online before he went to his first tournament and ***** everyone.

What people fail to realize is that there are hidden gems, amazing players who simply can't make it to tournaments yet, but if they did would be some of the most amazing players in brawl, so instead they play online.

Samboner and Renegade come to mind. Mero, me, Master Raven and wonderbread are 4 metaknights in Florida who haven't gotten enough exposure, but from the feedback we've received, any of the 4 of us could be the best Meta in FL. We all play online, but that doesn't make us noobs.

But not being able to get out doesn't say anything about someones skill. Anyone with sense watching ally play online or offline can tell he's extremely smart. Same goes for any other online player.

I'll agree with you about the fact that there are a lot of underdiscovered greats that may not be able to go to the big tournies. I'm not saying people who play solely online are noobish .I'm saying its funny that the people who like to criticize tend to be these online players that arent actually that good. Anyone would agree that online play and in person play are drastically different . You may have to deal with lag online but you have to deal with more in a professional tournament setting.

Like I said I am in no way putting down online players.

And there online tournaments for those people who like to show their skills online. Thats a good way to get exposure and get your name out imo.

 

[OverLade]

I'll agree with you about the fact that there are a lot of underdiscovered greats that may not be able to go to the big tournies. I'm not saying people who play solely online are noobish .I'm saying its funny that the people who like to criticize tend to be these online players that arent actually that good. Anyone would agree that online play and in person play are drastically different . You may have to deal with lag online but you have to deal with more in a professional tournament setting.

Like I said I am in no way putting down online players.

And there online tournaments for those people who like to show their skills online. Thats a good way to get exposure and get your name out imo.

Yeah I understand completely. Whenever I play offline it feels strange because I notice some of the things that work fine online don't work offline and things that I can or can't punish online are different. Factors like powershielding and quicker reactions make the game different.

But Ladders are usually where you find people like Ally. Gamebattles and Allisbrawl. Lots of amazing players there who simply aren't able to get their names out.

But when Ally said he was going to his first tournament, there was no doubt in anyone on AiB's mind that he would destroy everybody.

People who say Online doesn't show skill are crazy. But who wins online wouldn't necessarily be who wins offline, that's the difference.

 

[Ambient_Horizon]

I would agree with that also sheerly for the fact that being able to dominate in any setting whether its, your local GameStop tournament, a $1000 online tournament or MLG's requires one thing: SKILL. Skill isn't just knowing your character, your opponent's or the stage. Its about adapting to your situation. That goes for in-game and outside the game. Learning how to escape that dreaded CG from a Falco and turning the match around: SKILL. Learning how to deal with stress from people analyzing you and commenting on your EVERY move: skill. Thats another reason why I respect people like Ally: They learned how to conquer all aspects of the game.

 

[Sphyra]

The idea of any serious competitive play in a laggy environment for a fighting game is simply ridiculous and I really can't understand why there's so much of it in brawl (tournaments, ladders and such). Personally I'll never respect the concept or the idea.

That being said, it doesn't mean it's worthless. You can improve and get good playing online, something I'm no stranger to in other games. But to me that's all it is, a way to practice and possibly have fun. If you want to get your name out in the community you have to go out and show the world you exist, as long as you stay online nobody's going to pay attention to you. I've experienced this before, and Ally is also an example of this, and I'm happy to see him go out and make a name for himself. If there's any other great players who only stick to online, I encourage them to do the same if it's possible for them. Grandfinals in front of a cheering crowd is nothing compared to playing them alone in your living room.

 

[GimR]

If Ally comes down and gets top 3 at MD/VA tourney then I'll believe he's REALLY GOOD


Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's bad

 

[M15t3R E]

Wow, Ally has got to be the most defensive Snake I've ever seen.

 

[kailo34ce]

yuh ally can go dominate canada like a scrub despite whether the other trash guy uses falco or wario you can tell based on movement alone he is no good..he got to the finals prolly with that nair>nado spam mk is yawn...but like anyway ally...has nothing on cort.hell texas' number 1 powerranked snake is a ****ing 12 year old and he will blow your mind if you think ally is good..

look up ultimaterazer...lol...ally and his nade spam

also im not gonna flat out say ally is bad..but if you dont abuse map control with snake...its like not exploiting your greatest strength of sheer overwhelming the matchup

ambient guy mentioned the set ups...those setups shouldnt even come up as a possiblity..

its like if you were fighting a sucky marth who just faired and fsmashed..youd obviously be able to predict and powershield every attack. then people would be like...OH HE CAN POWERSHIELD EVERYTHING (perfect shield whatev) but that isnt the case..its just overcoming the basic trash which these people cant even over come a snake thats months behind..

and the HALBERD guy mentioned people online like samboner...samboner,yes the very same,he lives somewhere on the outskirts of houston came to a local tournament..fought no snake mk or DDD or even gaw in brackets...still didnt make top half of the bracket...

therefor wifi ...doesnt count yay

 

[M15t3R E]

yuh ally can go dominate canada like a scrub despite whether the other trash guy uses falco or wario you can tell based on movement alone he is no good..he got to the finals prolly with that nair>nado spam mk is yawn...but like anyway ally...has nothing on cort.hell texas' number 1 powerranked snake is a ****ing 12 year old and he will blow your mind if you think ally is good..

look up ultimaterazer...lol...ally and his nade spam

Lol, no joke. Razer is more impressive.
Ally has the basics down and is great at defending. Ultimaterazor has the basics and more down, is great at defending exactly when necessary and pummeling his opponent relentlessly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-VoTCDcx8&feature=related

 

[-Ran]

In order for skill to be shown in Brawl, you need to play against good opponents. It's not like in Melee where you can see the tech skill oozing from every movement. Most of Brawl is about capitalizing on the mistakes of your opponent. If your opponent makes too many mistakes then an accurate skill level won't be evident.

 

[kailo34ce]

Lol, no joke. Razer is more impressive.
Ally has the basics down and is great at defending. Ultimaterazor has the basics and more down, is great at defending exactly when necessary and pummeling his opponent relentlessly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-VoTCDcx8&feature=related

In order for skill to be shown in Brawl, you need to play against good opponents. It's not like in Melee where you can see the tech skill oozing from every movement. Most of Brawl is about capitalizing on the mistakes of your opponent. If your opponent makes too many mistakes then an accurate skill level won't be evident.

yuh and hes only 12 and plays with nunchuk...i <3 that little guy

ran iji, also very good comment >.>

 

[OverLade]

yuh ally can go dominate canada like a scrub despite whether the other trash guy uses falco or wario you can tell based on movement alone he is no good..he got to the finals prolly with that nair>nado spam mk is yawn...but like anyway ally...has nothing on cort.hell texas' number 1 powerranked snake is a ****ing 12 year old and he will blow your mind if you think ally is good..

look up ultimaterazer...lol...ally and his nade spam

also im not gonna flat out say ally is bad..but if you dont abuse map control with snake...its like not exploiting your greatest strength of sheer overwhelming the matchup

ambient guy mentioned the set ups...those setups shouldnt even come up as a possiblity..

its like if you were fighting a sucky marth who just faired and fsmashed..youd obviously be able to predict and powershield every attack. then people would be like...OH HE CAN POWERSHIELD EVERYTHING (perfect shield whatev) but that isnt the case..its just overcoming the basic trash which these people cant even over come a snake thats months behind..

and the HALBERD guy mentioned people online like samboner...samboner,yes the very same,he lives somewhere on the outskirts of houston came to a local tournament..fought no snake mk or DDD or even gaw in brackets...still didnt make top half of the bracket...

therefor wifi ...doesnt count yay

We just got explaining how KingAce placed 5th at CH4 or whatever. And you insist on saying he sucks. Cort no longer plays Barwl if Im correct, and even Cort's snake isn't perfect. I watched him get 0-deathed on the first stock of first match when playing against Afro Thundah.
Ally is definetly ahead of the game. Razer is more flashy than Ally, but he doesn't play as smart. KingAce is and I doubt anyone in this topic could 3 stock him besides Ally (and mabye Cort if he still played).

Concerning Sam, I'm not going to make johns for him because I don't know what happened.

In order for skill to be shown in Brawl, you need to play against good opponents. It's not like in Melee where you can see the tech skill oozing from every movement. Most of Brawl is about capitalizing on the mistakes of your opponent. If your opponent makes too many mistakes then an accurate skill level won't be evident.

In the Fight for your friends tournament, Ally beat Percon, a snake and D3 player who Im pretty sure placed 7th at CH4.
I'm not going to judge how good Ace and Percon are, but they're obviously pro level based on how well they placed in their and our tournaments. Basically, Ally has played and ***** good people.

Assuming someone is bad because the video makes them look bad is a bad assumption. It might be just because they're playing someone amazing.

That's like saying Dojo sucks because M2K 3 stocked him very first time they played. >_>

 

[PND]

Kailo, stfu.

To everyone who says KingAce sucks / is a scrub:

Critical Hit 4 (top 16)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1: Azen Zagenite (Lucario/MetaKnight)
2: Mew2King (MetaKnight)
3: Seibrik/Snakekiller3000 (King Dedede)
4: G-regulate (Snake)
5: Chillindude829 (Metaknight/Falco)
5: KingAce (MetaKnight)
7: Ninjalink (Diddy Kong)
7: Ambrose (Ice Climbers)
9: Forte (MetaKnight)
9: Percon (Snake)
9: Plank (MetaKnight)
9: Snakeee (Zero Suit Samus)
13: Korn (King Dedede)
13: Atomsk (King Dedede)
13: Neo (Marth)
13: Chu Dat (Kirby)

Do you see those big names? 'Cuz I certainly do. Obviously placing 5th amongst all those great players was totally luck based They must have been sandbagging or something, because there's no way that, you know, Canada can actually have good players at this game. [/sarcasm]

Carry on with the debate / praise / whatever, but stop the blind hating on KingAce. He def doesn't suck, and he's def not a scrub.

Praise time:
Awesome Ally is Awesome.

 

[kailo34ce]

Kailo, stfu.

M2k and azen came to town.m2k tried ddd azen tried lucario.they couldn't fly,they ended up both going meta to win in the end.I even have a match of azens lucario losing to the lil razer guy I mentioned.they couldn't win without mk and neither could ace...just mk scrubs clinging with their lives to broken characters cuz we've all seen what happens without mk

 

[slikvik]

did this guy just call the two best players in the country mk scrubs? who t f are you?

 

[kailo34ce]

did this guy just call the two best players in the country mk scr
ubs? who t f are you?

Its sad when they are the best and they can't win without mk dsf came to he's mr king of the west coast he did worse the a few tx players too and lost a lot of friendlies the past is the past.mk sucks kingace sucks azen and m2k are very good but they ***** mk...ally is just weak its a sad sad world

 

[HRNUT (Honey Roasted)]

the funny thing is we all said the same thing when ally first said he was coming to the montreal tournament and that his snake doesn't look anything impressive in the videos. the thing is with brawl is you can't tell the exact level of a player by watching his videos, but I assure you all that ally and kingace are better than most of you guys here. I heard it from the canadians that played m2k and azen that ally is at their level and he has a chance of winning. so I don't know why all this hate on ally when most of you guys never played him maybe because people in the states are used to underrate canada

I've fought m2k, go ahead and ask him about me, he'll tell you

 

[buenob]

1) a snake ***** a semi-reputable MK player == mk is broken?
2) that snake is "just weak" ?

the reason these players have to resort to mk is because they have practiced him instead of the other characters... if the MK ban happens, you will still see those same players at the top... they are just playing to win under the conditions they're given

When you watch a video of Ally, you say to yourself "****, that's nothing special, I can beat that"... and then you play him and he beats you

he doesn't always 3stock you, but he beats you... it's clean, it's effective, and his "mindgames" are on a level high enough that you don't even see them

how many times does he miss a punish from a down throw? can you do it that consistently?

 

[Gnes]

wow...this thread is full of fail...

Wifi doesnt have mindgames...just lag...

The vids were horrible...just Ally beating the crap out of some a player who was obviously either not tryin or just has horrible conceptualization of the basics of the game...either way congrats Ally

Hmm...Ally wont beat M2k in a tourney set...it wont happen...whoever says otherwise has not played M2K..and might possibly be a drug addict...

 

[ph00tbag]

Geez, people, show some grace. Everyone demanded that Ally show some legit proof that he can hang, and when he does, you still refuse to budge. There's reasonable doubt, then there's just plain stubbornness. Ally proved himself here, and if you can't see that, then he would absolutely destroy you.

 

[Master Raven]

I don't think Samboner's that good, and he's a total *******, but the other players Redhalberd mentioned are legitly good players (though I haven't fought those two FL MKs he's mentioned yet).

Also lol @ kailo. I'm pretty sure M2K himself has said that he likes to make Azen play MK dittos, and even if he doesn't, Azen just uses whoever he feels like. Just because he decides use MK vs another MK does not equate that he's getting severely owned by him to the point where he has to use MK. He's been able to beat a lot of the best MKs with his Lucario. Don't knock on KingAce for using his main.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

hey horizon

come to ann arbor for tourneys =)

 

[Fizzi]

This sort of thread is completely ********. Why do you, someone else, feel like you have to prove that Ally is good to everyone else? Let him prove himself.

Ally will go to a US event at some point, and he will place well. I've played both m2k and Ally (granted i've only played m2k when I was utter garbage at this game and it was only friendlies). I don't know who will win to be honest. And quite frankly, there's no point in even be talking about it. The time will come when they are both in the same tournament.

As to those people saying KingAce is bad, you are wrong. KingAce has proved himself even to Americans. KingAce is not bad, Ally just made him look bad.

EDIT: I'm also seeing some Florida players in this thread. Looking forward to playing you guys in December.

 

[LoyalSoldier]

It is a little silly to use Wifi matches as what is a perfectly timed dodge or DI in a normal game is a loss of stock on Wifi. You reaction time on Wifi is significantly smaller. Even the best connection has a little lag associated with it.

Now Ally is a good player, but speculating based off videos is just that, speculation. Until we have all the top dogs in one tourney then we can't say one is going to beat the other.

 

[Niko_K]

Whoever is hating in this thread is a moron.

Ally's snake is a ****ing robot. Seriously. He does the most ridiculous **** ever. He's going to come to the US and place amazingly well.

I've played against both M2K and Ally, and Ally was far more impressive. Though I still have a feeling M2K would win.

Spoiler

<3 Brought ally to his last stock almost everytime I played him :O

 

[Blad01]

Ally's Snake is very good, his tech chase is one of the best i've seen so far, and his punishment is also pretty good (His first kill on R3 was a great exemple ).

But KingAce... You shouldn't have risked Falco ôO FF Dair on shields, Predictable Side B recoveries, bad d-throws follows-ups... :/

 

[kailo34ce]

K last post in this trash:
I never said m2k and azen were bad in fact I'm willing to bet money they would both beat ally in snake dittos
You can tell the skill of the player in a video because,luke my post about perfect shielding,ally isn't good because he can grab mk or falco who can be unpunishable,the other guy is just bad for getting grabbed..and tech chasing isn't hard with snake azen gets fsmashes on good people all the time.
Weak snake like I said.
M2k needs mk.azens MAIN lucario got stopped at locals before he got to m2k,therefor he whored mk and lost.
...scrubs...I'm sure you still won't understand that's ok this thread is a joke anyway

 

[KRDsonic]

My oppinion: Ally is good. Razer is good. M2K is good. Azen is good. They're all good. One thing about the last 3 that I mentioned though is that (I think) they have to fight more tough opponents to make it to the finals in the tournys they go to. Razer is also impressive for being so young and playing with a Wiimote and Nunchuck and still placing very high. Ally is good but... I haven't seen him fight the top players I know of (not saying the top players over there aren't as good, just pointing out a reason why some people's oppinions have probably been formed to the way they were).

I know all of these players are good though due to either watching them play in person or me playing them on wifi (though that doesn't mean all that much compared to offline).

I'll remain neutral though, until I see results of all of these good players going to the same tournament and/or facing eachother in a tournament.

 

[Hot_ArmS]

no one cares about Hot_ArmS

T.T

 

[OverLade]

K last post in this trash:
I never said m2k and azen were bad in fact I'm willing to bet money they would both beat ally in snake dittos
You can tell the skill of the player in a video because,luke my post about perfect shielding,ally isn't good because he can grab mk or falco who can be unpunishable,the other guy is just bad for getting grabbed..and tech chasing isn't hard with snake azen gets fsmashes on good people all the time.
Weak snake like I said.
M2k needs mk.azens MAIN lucario got stopped at locals before he got to m2k,therefor he whored mk and lost.
...scrubs...I'm sure you still won't understand that's ok this thread is a joke anyway

You're a joke. If you can't tell Ally's good from these videos then you suck at smash anyway.

no one cares about Hot_ArmS

T.T

HOTARMS IS INHUMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

 

[Niko_K]

I remember when Brawl was just starting up and Hot Arms beat me in a set in some random online tournament. I remember thinking to myself all day that I lost to some random snake scrub.

Now I know he learns from Ally, so I don't feel so bad anymore <3

Harms <3

 

[DMG]

Ok. DMG is gonna set things straight.

Ally may be a good player, King Ace may be a good player, but in these vids NO ONE can say whether Ally did well enough to possibly go toe to toe with M2K. Guess why? King Ace used his secondaries. He's not as good with them as with his main, and who is to blame him, most people are worse with their secondaries than how they normally do with their main.

King Ace was not playing at the top of the metagame with Wario or Falco in those vids, get over it and stop meat riding Ally as if King Ace played like a pro with those characters IN THOSE VIDS. I beat Azen in a set at HOBO 11, did anyone start posting sh** like "OMG DMG is top tier and can give M2K a good fight!!!"? No, no one did that (Thank god, I hate meat riding period, even if someone is excessively saying I am good.).

Yet, Ally beats King Ace here and everyone starts a hell storm and praising him and saying stuff like he can take on the best of the best. Ya know what guys? Let's wait for some better evidence than these vids before we go about proclaiming we found a messiah that is like M2K.

Ally may be good, and King Ace may be good, but god ****it people can't you just look at the vids and realize, "Hey, Ally did pretty good, but IDK if this is a very accurate gauge of how well he would do vs M2K or Azen or DSF. Maybe I should wait for some more vids/tourney results."

 

[OmegaXF]

Your ignorance is halirious.

 

[DMG]

Your ignorance is halirious.

My ignorance? U mean u think I am ignorant just because I looked at the vids and determined for myself that these alone cannot prove Ally's worth vs Someone like M2K or Azen?

 

[ZeroSuitX]

Nice vids ally is too good. Close game at the end

 

[OmegaXF]

I'm messing with you bro. I just decided to start some random act of violence lol.
Expect the unexpected n_n........just don't kill me in the process.

 

[DMG]

I'm messing with you bro. I just decided to start some random act of violence lol.
Expect the unexpected n_n........just don't kill me in the process.

Ah, I never knew 4 words could sound so serious. D:

 

[OverLade]

Ok. DMG is gonna set things straight.

Ally may be a good player, King Ace may be a good player, but in these vids NO ONE can say whether Ally did well enough to possibly go toe to toe with M2K. Guess why? King Ace used his secondaries. He's not as good with them as with his main, and who is to blame him, your secondaries usually are not supposed to better than your main.

King Ace was not playing at the top of the metagame with Wario or Falco in those vids, get over it and stop meat riding Ally as if King Ace played like a pro with those characters IN THOSE VIDS. I beat Azen in a set at HOBO 11, did anyone start posting sh** like "OMG DMG is top tier and can give M2K a good fight!!!"? No, no one did that (Thank god, I hate meat riding period, even if someone is excessively saying I am good.).

Yet, Ally beats King Ace here and everyone starts a hell storm and praising him and saying stuff like he can take on the best of the best. Ya know what guys? Let's wait for some better evidence than these vids before we go about proclaiming we found a messiah that is like M2K.

Ally may be good, and King Ace may be good, but god ****it people can't you just look at the vids and realize, "Hey, Ally did pretty good, but IDK if this is a very accurate gauge of how well he would do vs M2K or Azen or DSF. Maybe I should wait for some more vids/tourney results."

The thing about Ally, is that he's been in the dark forever, playing online yet ****** everyone. He has a strong fanbase of people who, while played him online, think he's one of the best players in brawl right now (based on his smarts, mindgames, and prediction skills). He's not just someone who's been around who suddenly got good. He's someone amazing who hasn't yet gotten the exposure they need, so those of us who believe he has what it takes support him.