(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／

[VibeSlyph]

Lord Chair leave the theory craft stuff aside, DK's Dsmash is fast enough.

It is, but at early kill percents, shouldn't we be smart enough to play around it?

 

[Player-3]

i had something to say


then i had to poop, so went to poop



now i don't remember what i had to say.

 

[xxmoosexx]

Avoid smashes mayhaps?

Last I remember DK's Dsmash is just short of Marth's tipper range...where a marth should be at the whole time.

 

[Nike.]

Dsmash is usually a punisher when marth is coming down from the top. You can't air dodge or swat DK with fair unless you were coming in at a certain angle. He brings his arms above his head so the first hitboxes come out even higher.

I think Dsmash ***** us.

 

[VibeSlyph]

Dsmash is usually a punisher when marth is coming down from the top. You can't air dodge or swat DK with fair unless you were coming in at a certain angle. He brings his arms above his head so the first hitboxes come out even higher.

I think Dsmash ***** us.

You don't really get into a situation where you have to airdodge to the ground right above DK too often in that MU.

 

[Suspect]

HIDE ME FROM THE BBR, OH WAIT PIERCE AND SHAYA ARE HERE, GOT DAMMIT

Can we stop talking about the dk/marf matchup please lol

Lets talk about allys marf

 

[Zano]

lol @ the sentinel avi

 

[Reizilla]

Yeah, you shouldn't be getting hit by DK's down smash.

You shouldn't be getting hit by DK much at all, for that matter.

 

[Lord Chair]

If Marth was supposed to get hit in the MU it'd mean he'd lose.

That would be preposterous, no?

 

[VibeSlyph]

If Marth was supposed to get hit in the MU it'd mean he'd lose.

That would be preposterous, no?

obv .

 

[Zano]

The depth of these discussions is just mindblowing

 

[Shaya]

marth can footstool dk in his dsmash without being hit IIRC, to give him a better repositioning.
But of course its still going to take a year before people start to consider footstools are 50x safer as a landing mix up than just about anything else Marth can do.

And no, I don't mean you footstool them so the move gets cancelled, I just mean you use Marth's disjointed feat to springboard high into the sky with a maximum aerial mobility bonus and start flying towards a better spot.

 

[clowsui]

have fun being miles above DK lmao

above being the keyword

 

[Shaya]

have fun being miles above DK lmao

above being the keyword

Where DK's ground speed is mediocre and a majority of dk's juggles come from follow ups of his MOVES (grabs) [or the like 'flick away' that doesn't send too monstrously far with like dtilt/ftilt] being in close proximity coupled with high base aerial mobility and his range.

He also can't reach your immediate height at all after that jump you get.

 

[Albert.]

If marth could always stay in his ideal tipper zone in relation to his opponent in every match vs every character, then Marth would win every match-up and every tournament.

The " oh you had bad spacing, silly" or "you put yourself in a bad situation :/" logic SHOULD NOT even be mentioned anymore.

It's both patronizing and useless.

Do I need to go link every Vid where a top player Meta or Marth player got "out-spaced" by sliding shield, well-timed spot-dodge, the "wait-then-dash-in-with-something", or the "fast-falled-air-dodge-through into into grab" by a character with a theoretically "shorter and thus useless" grab range or attack range?

Another example is "oh Marth should never get grabbed by snake because his grab range is lol-bad"

and then both Mike and Neo have been grabbed by Ally...

 

[Shaya]

snake's grab range isn't bad (it's like tied 4th non-tether)... just it's a slower grab...

 

[Albert.]

Shaya I'm glad that you really brought up the most important facet of my post >_>

 

[Nike.]

LMFAO at Shaya.
Albert is right though. EL had the "Marth beats everything and should never be hit by things" mentality, which is why noobs where scared to post.

 

[Shaya]

Well I don't disagree with the rest of your post. haha

A lot of DK's punishers can be seen coming but not avoided.

 

[Lord Chair]

Also note that all the options you (Albert) note with regards to breaking Marth's spacing (sliding shield, spotdodge, airdodges) are all:

Garbage

If you're talking about his terrible dash grab, sad shield, non-impressive shieldgrab, terrible spotdodge and lolSHairdodgeapproach.

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

in a month, possibly two. my marth will be 4x better than it ever was

hitlist:

1. ally (need to **** him twice)
2. chaz

 

[Nike.]

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This HAS TO be a result of Anaky xD

 

[Suspect]

I ain't even mad

 

[Albert.]

Lord Chair you seemed to will-fully mis-read my post.

I was CLEARLY taking about characters including but not limited to Donkey Kong. This was addressing both your impractical DK analysis and the impractical mind-sets that I've seen from you and other posters on these boards for years.

Regarding Marth... Yes sliding shield, or even walk to shield... can both break his spacing. It's like you've never played a good DK before.

Don't say "just play safer"

Marth is not MK, Marth has to take risks sometimes.
Marth is not MK, he can't retreat aerials for an entire match. Marth only has two jumps and his landing lag can and does get punished.

 

[Suspect]

Martha is not mk

 

[Shaya]

in a month, possibly two. my marth will be 4x better than it ever was

hitlist:

1. ally (need to **** him twice)
2. chaz

HAVE MY BABIESSSSSSSS

caps

 

[Albert.]

Neo why the sudden optimism?

And why Ally twice but Chaz only once?

BTW guys, I forgot if I mentioned this or not, but Chaz just got 2nd at a FL tourney :D

 

[Nike.]

Was that before WHOBO or was it a random weekday tourney? x)

 

[C.J.]

The week before.

 

[Lord Chair]

It should never be the lag on your landing that gets punished, but the spacing accompanying it.

Also you guys should land with nair more.

 

[etecoon]

albert when are you coming back up here? MM my marth with DK :D

 

[Albert.]

@ Lord Chair

This discussion is over if all you're going to do is reply with falsely superior and dismissive half-thoughts. I have no further use for you

@ Etecoon I'll probably visit some weekend next semester but I'll be there longer for various reasons and so that I can actually go to a tourney or something.

I don't want to MM your Marth w/ DK lol, my DK is garbage.

 

[Mr-R]

in a month, possibly two. my marth will be 4x better than it ever was

hitlist:

1. ally (need to **** him twice)
2. chaz

same for me and my hitlist would be


1. leon
2. leon
3. leon
4. leon
5. glutonny

 

[Shaya]

THIS JUST IN!!!

Mr.R and Neo have traded their souls to become MAGICAL GIRLS!
For the small small price of beating people in brawl.

Tragic.

 

[GHNeko]

This means they're up for grabs as Waifus.

 

[Reizilla]

Albert, you realize that Marth walks as fast as DK runs, right? Sliding shield and that bull**** should not be a problem unless you're overly aggressive. Yeah, it'll work, but it shouldn't work very often unless you fail at adjusting to it.

 

[Lord Chair]

No SGS you're ******** and your arguments make no sense and I won't bother explaining why.

/devil's Albert's advocate

 

[Zankoku]

THIS JUST IN!!!

Mr.R and Neo have traded their souls to become MAGICAL GIRLS!
For the small small price of beating people in brawl.

Tragic.

However, the potential heat death of the universe has just been delayed another few years.

 

[VietGeek]

This means they're up for grabs as Waifus.

as mahou shoujo

you choose to either forever be waifu or forever be naifu

raifu will never be same

never have to worry about saifu

but never again can you rabu daifu

 

[VibeSlyph]

as mahou shoujo

you choose to either forever be waifu or forever be naifu

raifu will never be same

never have to worry about saifu

but never again can you rabu daifu

what ?