Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Wario is pretty even. Maybe sligh ZSS adv.
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ZSS General Discussion
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NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Marth is even.
MK barely wins.
Wario barely wins, or is even.
MK barely wins.
Wario barely wins, or is even.
Dakpo
Smash Lord
what nick said, well i feel as though MK solidly wins
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
I agree.
None of this disagrees with what I said, though I disagree in regards to Marth and MK, but that's a discussion for another time.
I'm saying any character whose game requires them to jump other than those three gets *****.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Agreed...for the most part at least. I was surprised others weren't abusing up air to the extent that I was until recently (I know I saw Nick use it in such a way in a match against Coney). Maybe some of you did this stuff all along, but I always felt that my timing/speed/spacing with up air was the one thing I that I did best. Being able to short hop up air out of shield/off the ground instantly and with quick reflexes vs the opponent's approach is a HUGE advantage.
Peach, btw, is somewhat a unique case because her zoning game with turnips makes things kinda messy. Too tired now to go into detail, but it's probably around 55-45 ZSS favor imo
Not even excluding, really. MK doesn't really count here, as he doesn't have to jump to win.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Wario will always be evenish because of how hard he is to kill if he plays it safe. Both characters keep each other out pretty well, which makes it a long match usually, though I find it pretty entertaining because it's all micro spacing
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
is GR > neutralB legit?
Also, check the broom ladiessss
Also, check the broom ladiessss
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
On wario? I don't think so, it should be the same situation as dsmash where they can bike out, both have the same startup
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Oh, right, the bike. Well fark.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Doublepost to get attention
Can NeutralB jablock multiple times in 1 time the opponent is down?
Can NeutralB jablock multiple times in 1 time the opponent is down?
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Nope you can only use nB as the first jablock and continue with other moves, if you try it twice they just take damage while standing up.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Does nB give us enough time to buffered frontroll > ftilt/dashattack/jab2 to continue the lock?
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
I really doubt it
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
nB gives more time IIRC
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Btw to those checking metagame minutes
I brought this up before but you can downb kick cancel to bair if you do it on any opponent on a platform and they get slid off
I brought this up before but you can downb kick cancel to bair if you do it on any opponent on a platform and they get slid off
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
BTW I tested, you can nB jablock, froll, and still have time to ftilt, not super hard timing either.
Krystedez
Awaken the Path
ZSS boards don't have an active GS board with GS in the title?
GASPZ
hai ZSS boards
GASPZ
hai ZSS boards
![[FBC] Papa Mink](/data/avatars/l/166/166410.jpg?1363023093){kind=avatar}
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
fuck
shit
censor dodging.
shit
censor dodging.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
So, I'm learning to always beat MK's nado with the back hit of uair.
It combos into everything!
It's amazing!
It combos into everything!
It's amazing!
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Yeah, I'm learning the exact spacing to hit nado with like... everything.
I got every aerial but fair to work. Front/back hit of hair, bair, nair, dair.
Video up eventually~
Dakpo
Smash Lord
i really wants vids of this O_O
Two-Ell
Smash Master
I'll grab the replays Nick made and give them to him tomorrow~
to give you guys a small primer just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7mu4_JLzE#t=2m27s
At certain angles your ridiculous Uair is able to reach the cylinder shape of hurtboxes MK has within his nado. Nick's vids will show some nice demonstrations.
You're all lucky D:,RosiePeach's Nair/Bair doesn't allow for much follow up after breaking nado.
to give you guys a small primer just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7mu4_JLzE#t=2m27s
At certain angles your ridiculous Uair is able to reach the cylinder shape of hurtboxes MK has within his nado. Nick's vids will show some nice demonstrations.
You're all lucky D:,
Snakeee
Smash Master
Using Up air against the nado was something I messed around with for a little while, and the results seemed so random that I thought I must have just gotten lucky or maybe hit him as it was starting or ending. I guess I gave up too quickly on it, but I'm hyped! One more little reason for me to start running the streets againI'll grab the replays Nick made and give them to him tomorrow~
to give you guys a small primer just look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7mu4_JLzE#t=2m27s
At certain angles your ridiculous Uair is able to reach the cylinder shape of hurtboxes MK has within his nado. Nick's vids will show some nice demonstrations.
You're all lucky D:,RosiePeach's Nair/Bair doesn't allow for much follow up after breaking nado.
Heh, and good stuff Nick
Nick's uploaded the video, for both Pikachu and ZSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf8lbK5_75k ZSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9e2RSehuto Pika
s e x y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf8lbK5_75k ZSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9e2RSehuto Pika
s e x y
Snakeee
Smash Master
Sweet! So its pretty much gonna be N-air while youre facing him, and up air if behind.
I want to see D-air, but I can get it down myself if it works as well like Twolink said.
That would possibly be the most useful one considering MK's are primarily going to use nado to punish our landings.
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
The TrixE and brony tags made me very happy.
smash brother
Smash Cadet
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i found out how to start out as zss so i tried her and she is really good
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
Someone should sig that.
hmm.
hmm.
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NickRiddle's not a mod anymore? What happened?
[FBC] Papa Mink
Smash Legend
He was kinda the worst in the world.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Linking explicit content.
This is also true.He was kinda the worst in the world.
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Double unmod combo.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
What happened to you?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Double post!
So, I randomly went to the Fox boards a little while ago, and they have this thing where if they grab MK while MK's in the air, and buffer a grab-attack... MK has a forced air release.
I wanted to try it with ZSS.
It turns out, if you grab DDD from the air, it's a force air release. Your only followup is regrab. and if you buffer a grab-attack out of it, you get that forced quick ground release thing.
It... makes no sense.
That basically means... if you d-smash DDD, you get a free running GR CG... on places with walk-offs.
So, I randomly went to the Fox boards a little while ago, and they have this thing where if they grab MK while MK's in the air, and buffer a grab-attack... MK has a forced air release.
I wanted to try it with ZSS.
It turns out, if you grab DDD from the air, it's a force air release. Your only followup is regrab. and if you buffer a grab-attack out of it, you get that forced quick ground release thing.
It... makes no sense.
That basically means... if you d-smash DDD, you get a free running GR CG... on places with walk-offs.
MysteryRevengerson
IT'S A MYSTERY TO ALL
Can ZSS grab MK out of Nado? I figured if Yoshi could(among others) than surely ZSS can...