#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Agreed, ZSS vs Marth is my fave mu with ZSS ^_^
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ZSS General Discussion
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CO18
Smash Hero
Pretty sure snake beats zss 6:4 as long as the snake stays campy and doesnt run into baits it seems pretty bad for zero suit as long as the snake doesnt recover to predictably.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
CO18 I can see why you'd think so, but I really think more people need to take Dazwa's approach to the match-up and it becomes very clear that it's quite even... I guess there's no reason to argue about it though, people will either agree with me or they won't, no amount of talking will fix it. 
Marth vs ZSS is in Marth's favour, only slightly. Marth can gimp us as easily as MK can, not to mention Marth's stupid aerial zoning and ground pressure.
That being said, Frankie *****, MikeHAZE sux. ^^
@evan: How do you get past an infinite wall of grenades as ZSS? If there's a solution that works, then I will forever agree with you that Snake:ZSS is even.
That being said, Frankie *****, MikeHAZE sux. ^^
@evan: How do you get past an infinite wall of grenades as ZSS? If there's a solution that works, then I will forever agree with you that Snake:ZSS is even.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I actually think the grenades are only as big a deal as you make them. So you take 3-4 damage approaching him when a grenade hits, one hit on Snake leads to like a 30% move string. Granted his tilts even it up really fast. ZSS is fast though and can easily approach through the grenades as long as you don't play dumb.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I still think Snake beats ZSS.
If he knows the MU.
If he knows the MU.
CO18
Smash Hero
How can zss approach? All she has is like dash attack then just trying to airdodge at you and stuff. Dont see what she can do realistically on neutrals snake def wins imo
All she has is baits and gimmick gimps *cough nickriddle cough* WONT WORK AGAIN
All she has is baits and gimmick gimps *cough nickriddle cough* WONT WORK AGAIN
The issue isn't building percent, it's killing him once he's high. If you're playing the MU properly Uair is gonna be really, really weak so that probably won't kill him, sideB is too slow to land a kill, and his utilt can hit us for bairing his shield unless we space it perfectly in which case he can ftilt.
The main use of nades in this matchup isn't as much to wall you from approaching but to force you to hit the nades to hit him... and if we both get % at the same rate, he's winning, because he kills us a lot faster than he kills us.
Every time I play this matchup I really feel like I have to DO SERIOUS WORK to do as well as the Snake.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Rising bair and then retreating seems really safe against Snake, his best option is to DA after you and then you can do a second landing bair which usually beats or trades with his DA. If you space a falling bair correctly we should be able to down b away or shield without being punished. I think rising bair in general is really really good against tall characters we can hit it with, it doesn't have the problem of being easy to predict and PS like falling aerials do.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Thio, I think that's more because ZSS doesn't hit for much damage per hit and has to do serious work in every match-up, heh.
Sovereign
Game Reaper
Guys, I have an MM against Count, coming up on the 24th. Any of you wanna give me some pointers on what to do or look out for, and how to handle Diddy Kong when he does/n't have (a) banana(s)?
solecalibur
Smash Master
Count as in the diddy player from IN? #$%# dont MM him until I do!
One thing is item control and not playing his game but lemme see if I can find some videos / friends that can help you with the MU
Sovereign
Game Reaper
It would be greatly appreciated Sole. I'm pretty confident in this MU, but I just want to be 100% on everything that I need to know, in order to win this.
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Nick Riddle is my hero and i want to be like him when I grow up...
Sovereign
Game Reaper
Y.b.M is my hero and I want to be like him when I grow up... Autograph, please? Do you know the ZSS vs. Diddy MU?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Will Smith is my hero, and I want to be like him when I grow up.
VSC.D-Torr
Smash Hero
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Haha... Just call me Hancock then.
And I sorta know that match up. I'm like 70 percent confident with it. But I'll continuing to practice match ups with her that are not in her favor like Falco and what not. It's just to troublesome to do it with the GC controller haha.... but I'll get it down.
And I sorta know that match up. I'm like 70 percent confident with it. But I'll continuing to practice match ups with her that are not in her favor like Falco and what not. It's just to troublesome to do it with the GC controller haha.... but I'll get it down.
clowsui
Smash Legend
unfortunately the only practice that y.b.m. has against falcos is me 
so this might take a while.
so this might take a while.
shlike
Smash Ace
nick riddle outplaced snakeee significantly at mlg
IS NICK RIDDLE THE BEST ZSS OF ALL TIME??!?!?! OR HE IS JUST A LUCKY SCRUB?!?!?!
discuss
IS NICK RIDDLE THE BEST ZSS OF ALL TIME??!?!?! OR HE IS JUST A LUCKY SCRUB?!?!?!
discuss
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
hes a lucky best zss of all time scrub <3
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
All ZSSs are scrubs
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I obviously got an easy bracket.
2-0 Shintei (Didn't show)
2-0 MHoltz
2-0 choise (Falco)
2-0 ksizzle
1-2ADHD
2-0 RedHalberd
2-0 CO18
0-2 DEHF
I am also a scrub.
/discussion
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Being a scrub is where it's at
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
best zss of all time...oh wait your not talking about me umm lucky scrub then
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Scrub a dub dub.
ZSS mains are awesomely sexy scrubs <3
Pshyeah
Pshyeah
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
LOL YOU DIDNT BEAT DEHF I HEARD THAT MU WAS LIKE 80:20
for falco
for falco
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Psh, I should have destroyed him.
/lies
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
I think Nick is the best ZSS.... Since I play ZSS and played Nick's rival
He did exceedingly well.
I'm not to far behind but I got a lot more training to do....
also...I have our Picture which is to Smexy
He did exceedingly well.
I'm not to far behind but I got a lot more training to do....
also...I have our Picture which is to Smexy
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Yo, post that picture then. :D
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Y.b.M. Nick Riddle and Snakeee.....
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
My head is ****ing tiny in that picture.
Y.b.M. Nick Riddle and Snakeee.....
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Haha... I minimized the picture... I didn't want it to stretch out the page...
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
For some reason I spent a good 5-10 minutes laughing about that comment.Nick said:
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Photobucket link!
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Yay, betters. :D