NickRiddle
#negativeNick
So, did you guys know that after ZSS fast-falls, she can use her up-b to return to a normal fall speed again?
I didn't.
I didn't.
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ZSS General Discussion
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#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Me neither.
Did you guys know that ZSS can jump before landing after downB? I did, and it's really ****, but I never see it being used
Did you guys know that ZSS can jump before landing after downB? I did, and it's really ****, but I never see it being used
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Yeah. If our double jump didn't make us go so high up, I'd use it.Me neither.
Did you guys know that ZSS can jump before landing after downB? I did, and it's really ****, but I never see it being used
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I never post there.
I don't really care if peole think I'm good.
When they play me, they'll know.
:D
solecalibur
Smash Master
I kind of what to see a MM when YBM goes to FL now
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
I will do it!
If he's not a baby that is. :3
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Don't gotta look like a baby to be a baby.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
You and your making my posts better.Why didn't you end that post with ", baby"?
Missed opportunity
It's as if you were some sort of mod.
>.>
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
Well honestly... I never do money matches... But I'll have a serious friendly set with you... that has pride on the line...
We'll have a "My ZSS is better than yours Match"....
Then afterwards take a picture with all the other ZSS Mains...Sound like a Plan?
We'll have a "My ZSS is better than yours Match"....
Then afterwards take a picture with all the other ZSS Mains...Sound like a Plan?
solecalibur
Smash Master
I'll give YBM money for a MM and I keep the winnings (if there is any =X) how about that?
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
Hey guys, Ksizzle here.
Ive recently taken a liking to ZSS and have been playing with her alot. She's very fun and i think she fits me well since my whole entire playstyle is basically reading habits and punishing them too. I feel zss has AMAZING punishing tools and her aerial offense is just too good
also shes hot
so today i was messing around with her and for the heck of it when i knew id catch the mk in a dsmash, so i went for it 3 times
so i did 3 d smashes starting around 98 and i did up air very fast. the mk died and i asked him if he tried to get out of it and he said yea by air dodging and DIing after stun.
ive been practicing for an hour now and it looks like its guaranteed. i have a dazzlle so its recording atm
only reason im posting this info is cuz ive asked a couple people if they know about this and theyve said no, like snakeee for instance. ive also never seen a zss use this. i think its great especially since it catches them off guard like for example
if you d smash someone twice they expect to get hit by bair if they are at kill percent right? they wont expect a 3rd d smash and then the very fast up air so while they are trying to DI for the bair they'll be holding up for a much quicker death :D
anyways ZSS is awesome. Gonna try and use her at MLG.
I guess ill post the vids here
if this is already known and im a noob, sorry for wasting ur time
heres just a vid on falco. in training mode. bro tried to air dodge and di and stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7kDLZzMXBM
Ive recently taken a liking to ZSS and have been playing with her alot. She's very fun and i think she fits me well since my whole entire playstyle is basically reading habits and punishing them too. I feel zss has AMAZING punishing tools and her aerial offense is just too good
also shes hot
so today i was messing around with her and for the heck of it when i knew id catch the mk in a dsmash, so i went for it 3 times
so i did 3 d smashes starting around 98 and i did up air very fast. the mk died and i asked him if he tried to get out of it and he said yea by air dodging and DIing after stun.
ive been practicing for an hour now and it looks like its guaranteed. i have a dazzlle so its recording atm
only reason im posting this info is cuz ive asked a couple people if they know about this and theyve said no, like snakeee for instance. ive also never seen a zss use this. i think its great especially since it catches them off guard like for example
if you d smash someone twice they expect to get hit by bair if they are at kill percent right? they wont expect a 3rd d smash and then the very fast up air so while they are trying to DI for the bair they'll be holding up for a much quicker death :D
anyways ZSS is awesome. Gonna try and use her at MLG.
I guess ill post the vids here
if this is already known and im a noob, sorry for wasting ur time
heres just a vid on falco. in training mode. bro tried to air dodge and di and stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7kDLZzMXBM
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Hey ksiz:
Yeah, dsmashx3 is guaranteed at high percentages but we don't usually try to do it (or I don't) because followups aren't usually guaranteed at least as far as I knew. Nice find on that though! ZSS can always use kill setups.
Yeah, dsmashx3 is guaranteed at high percentages but we don't usually try to do it (or I don't) because followups aren't usually guaranteed at least as far as I knew. Nice find on that though! ZSS can always use kill setups.
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
The only problem is, you're almost never guaranteed to get a d-smash. Most ZSS's reaction time isn't good enough to check for a hit confirm first.
Also, the amount your d-smash is diminished reduces stun time, so for people like me it wouldn't work well.
Good **** though, I'll do it to you at MLG. :D
solecalibur
Smash Master
Woo! Another Zss 2ndary or 3rdary or even main =p
they uair follow up seems legit but did you have the MK in the video do a fast aireal that might be able to break free from it? (IE nair)
they uair follow up seems legit but did you have the MK in the video do a fast aireal that might be able to break free from it? (IE nair)
noradseven
Smash Lord
My over B is normally fresh, so I just go d-smash x2, over B instead for the kill.The only problem is, you're almost never guaranteed to get a d-smash. Most ZSS's reaction time isn't good enough to check for a hit confirm first.
Also, the amount your d-smash is diminished reduces stun time, so for people like me it wouldn't work well.
Good **** though, I'll do it to you at MLG. :D
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Nick: that isn't true, stun time is not diminished by staleness.
Snakeee
Smash Master
Good find Kelvin.
D-smash/Side B suck though and you should just lose a stock every time you get hit with them. Actually, if you can't beat those moves you should off yourself and jump off a bridge.
D-smash/Side B suck though and you should just lose a stock every time you get hit with them. Actually, if you can't beat those moves you should off yourself and jump off a bridge.
shlike
Smash Ace
lmao nick and snakeee play and think completely differently
i love it
I on the other hand spam spotdodge utilt like a noob and get punished
also does anyone else love shield staredowns where you think to yourself : "DONT GET GRABBED" and you end up getting grabbed?
ITS THE BEST
i love it
I on the other hand spam spotdodge utilt like a noob and get punished
also does anyone else love shield staredowns where you think to yourself : "DONT GET GRABBED" and you end up getting grabbed?
ITS THE BEST
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
thanks for the feedback guys! :D
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Yeah that is new I think, good find!
And yeah Nick to elaborate on what SFP said, it's kinda true that dsmash staled has less stun time. Stun time is purely based on how much % the opponent has, and since a stale dsmash gives less %, it is technically less. The different between 2-3% though is not even noticeable though so realistically it doesn't change anything.
And yeah Nick to elaborate on what SFP said, it's kinda true that dsmash staled has less stun time. Stun time is purely based on how much % the opponent has, and since a stale dsmash gives less %, it is technically less. The different between 2-3% though is not even noticeable though so realistically it doesn't change anything.
Y.b.M.
Smash Master
I've always done Dsmash 3 times against my opponents when they came within killing range... I never thought that it was something major though... just a preferred battle tactic since they have to be at high percentages...
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Nefarious, that just isn't true. Stun time is based purely (like you said) on the amount of percent the opponent has. So if an opponent is at 120% and you dsmash them, it doesn't matter if the dsmash you used did 11% or 5%, the stun duration isn't going to change because stun time is calculated based on the damage level they are currently at and not at the damage level they are at after the damage is taken. The second or third dsmash in a dsmash chain doesn't add any stun time. The only time I can see this being relevant is the Fox dsmash chain in which each dsmash would stun for less time than it would in training mode (by literally milliseconds) because the attacks would stale.
What is a bigger concern to me where ksizzle's discovery is concerned is that obviously uair isn't going to be fresh all the time and doesn't really kill if it's stale. Maybe fair is a better idea, but it's so easy to DI out of. =/
What is a bigger concern to me where ksizzle's discovery is concerned is that obviously uair isn't going to be fresh all the time and doesn't really kill if it's stale. Maybe fair is a better idea, but it's so easy to DI out of. =/
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Im pretty sure it's the opponents % after the hit, not before, I'm basing what I said off of that so if that's wrong my bads
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Shield-pop, son.
It'll blow minds.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Ay yo, who from your region is going to MLG?
I wanna see how good they are at PSing my stuff.
His brother, for one.
solecalibur
Smash Master
After using common sense, wouldnt this work with characters with about the same class as of metaknights? IE (Dont quote me dont know weight class exactly) Kirby, Pikachu, diddy kong, link
or would this work on all characters depending on the %
or would this work on all characters depending on the %
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
It depends on the percentage ^^
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
sorry if this sounds dumb but...do you guys leave the tap jump button on or off? cuz someone told me it was bttr off cuz of the whole dbl jump something i dunno :-(
LoliLovesRain
Smash Master
Ah. ^^, thanks i took it off then xD i shall practice then now
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
hhahaha i love you too. glad i can be of some use lol
Snakeee
Smash Master
I'm going also. We should play. I don't have anything against you btw, but I just honestly feel that you're relying on my old gimmicks too much, and FL isn't exploiting that yet. I was obv exaggerating on that post.