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ZSS General Discussion
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solecalibur
Smash Master
I figure'd you go zss sort of announced it before you even posted lol
dittos MM at Nopes?
uhh don't go searching youtube for "dazwa kirby" then LOL
but yeah, like i mentioned in the player finder thread awhile back, omg its ybm
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Welcome aboard, any vids of you playing?
solecalibur
Smash Master
I could probly record some of his vids on the 30th since we plan on both going to the same tounry
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Yow YBM.
Play blue suit :3
Play blue suit :3
What do you mean like everyone in the Kirby boards hate you? As far as I know, I dislike not a single person from those boards. And you're gonna use ZSS? Niiiiice, it's really gonna help you with Kirby... It's gonna be very awkward with a Wiimote, I've tried it (AND used Kirby with a wiimote+nunchuck as well) and it's too 'uhh' cuz you need to have some super fast reactions and lots of finger dexterity, I assure you! As well as know all the mechanics behind wavebouncing and when to apply it, I swear wavebouncing is so implemented to my ZSS's game that my fingers should be getting arthritis 20 years before my genes kick in. :embarrass
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Hey ZSS boards.
I run the Brawl- project, and we're currently stumped on how to change ZSS. The idea is to make everyone incredibly overpowered. See the thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255190 which kind of explains it.
What do we do to ZSS?
I run the Brawl- project, and we're currently stumped on how to change ZSS. The idea is to make everyone incredibly overpowered. See the thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=255190 which kind of explains it.
What do we do to ZSS?
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Let her stun people multiple times without them having to touch the ground. (D-smash chains forever.)
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Well... maybe I should make a few notes.
-Infinites, CGs, and the like aren't really wished.
-We have 0.54 hitstun (way above Brawl+)
-We want to avoid the strategy of "just up power and we're good" as much as possible; we like giving characters something unique and quirky.
-Infinites, CGs, and the like aren't really wished.
-We have 0.54 hitstun (way above Brawl+)
-We want to avoid the strategy of "just up power and we're good" as much as possible; we like giving characters something unique and quirky.
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Like Nick Riddle sad, you should give her insane combo power from the Down Smash. So make so much hitstun that you could use it like 3 or 4 times after each other. Not too broken.
Then let her easily combo out of that.
Forward B is a good spacing tool. Maybe making it even better by reducing the startup lag.
Or make her stun gun as fast as a laser of Falco =p
Then let her easily combo out of that.
Forward B is a good spacing tool. Maybe making it even better by reducing the startup lag.
Or make her stun gun as fast as a laser of Falco =p
noradseven
Smash Lord
Guys look at the hitstun rating we can like 0-death people in a million ways already. Crossup dash-lock probably goes till like 30-60% on most characters then regular dash-lock to the edge to like 50-70%, then d-smashx2, jump n-airm, land, jump u-air, jump, delay, up B, f-air(fastfalling), good bye to most the cast, with platforms you can do gayier ****, plus alot more stuff can be done its just becomes a lot more character situation specific.
As far as something quirky give her n-air dumb hitstun rating and small knockback :D, I want n-air loops, they already partially work in B+, and im sure they are better in B-, but still.
Make our neutral B work like everyone else charge attack where we can charge it and hold it for later.
congrats you broke her already, also make her jab string safe on shield :D, make her grab at least 8 frames, and make it have a shorter recovery thanks in advance.
As far as something quirky give her n-air dumb hitstun rating and small knockback :D, I want n-air loops, they already partially work in B+, and im sure they are better in B-, but still.
Make our neutral B work like everyone else charge attack where we can charge it and hold it for later.
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
But the didn't want to broken stuff, so the will actually have to reduce the hitstun for the downsmash..
And, I'm pretty new on ZSS boards, like, hello =p
And, I'm pretty new on ZSS boards, like, hello =p
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Nick Riddle told you already:
Also, there are mostly two options as far as I know. When there using Up B, edghog or what Nick Riddle sad will do the job. When there going to Flash, stand in the middle of the stage to punish with the Tether or even down Smash. Altough that is not edguard, I think thats what you wanna find out.
noradseven
Smash Lord
Guess lucky on a d-smash
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Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
Meh. Feels too easy. >.> Imagine she wasn't an absolutely ridiculous monster with high hitstun. What would you do then?
noradseven
Smash Lord
I would be playing normal brawl XD
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Faster grab without the lag after it, while still keeping the range.
Less start up lag on the forward B. And even stronger up Air.
noradseven
Smash Lord
No don't do this the stength of the u-air is great for loops anything drop it a bit cause their is no more degrading.
Dumbfire
Sex? Yes, I'm familiar with the theory
Yeah, youre right. It can kill easily enough. My bad.
BPC... Make ZSS's dair have IASA frames since frame 1, make her bair semi-spike/spike, her nair have IASA frames at frame 1 (or 2), her grab start at frame 1... Just make her whole moveset's hitboxes start at frame 1, and eliminate all start-up but leave ending lag in there to keep it non-megabrokenlol (unless you want megabrokenlol).
With the changes you have to Brawl- already, all you really need to make ZSS too good is to make all three grabs much faster, and make dair just a normal sex kick (hit up Yeroc if you want to see a .pac that does the dair well). And make dair auto cancel on a short hop.
That's about it, really. At the settings you have, she should be stupid good to begin with, she'll just suck against shields and have a dumb dair.
Actually, you might not have the space for both the dair and this next idea, but I guess if you don't this is more cool, but make her Paralyzer spammable such that spammed hits do no knockback, but they have two other charge levels, similar to Zero Mission's Paralyzer.
That's about it, really. At the settings you have, she should be stupid good to begin with, she'll just suck against shields and have a dumb dair.
Actually, you might not have the space for both the dair and this next idea, but I guess if you don't this is more cool, but make her Paralyzer spammable such that spammed hits do no knockback, but they have two other charge levels, similar to Zero Mission's Paralyzer.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Wanna gay your sheik friends?
Grab them at 0% and CG them to the edge. When they're hanging over the edge, grab release and walk-off fair.
Grab them at 0% and CG them to the edge. When they're hanging over the edge, grab release and walk-off fair.
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
D-smash FOREVER!Wanna gay your sheik friends?
Grab them at 0% and CG them to the edge. When they're hanging over the edge, grab release and walk-off fair.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Grab release dsmash? O_o
NickRiddle
#negativeNick
Dunno out of grab-release, but if you d-smash Sheik once, you get a chain that lasts forever.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Didn't know that works on sheik
Getting hit resets her down+B count (like Diddy Kong's side+B).
Gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
Xyless
Smash Master
That would be amazing.
solecalibur
Smash Master
Change her paralyzer like you guys did to links arrows yet EVEN slower and bigger
YES! God, I almost forgot about that.
odee, definitely some useful info right here.
Budget Player Cadet_
Smash Hero
All right, I'll see if I can figure this out.
I'll see if I can do this... Dunno. If all else fails, someone can.
Frame 1 moves are usually very reserved. A frame 1 grab is a joke. I was already going to overcompensate the ****ty grab by making it frame 5 (which is pretty fast) and earlier IASA. frame one everything isn't going to happen. Semispike bair sounds good.
SaltyKracka
Smash Lord
Aaaanyways, (I'm a part of the B- project, taking over these duties for BPC to actually give myself a way to contribute), can you guys think of anything that would be truly unique and stand out? Not just bland buffs, but something that's out there and special?
solecalibur
Smash Master
Down b = spawn armor pieces ^_^
ThreeSided
Smash Ace
OHOHOH. Turn into normal samus without smash ball! And the transformation has full invincibility frames. And double/quadruple the speed of the samus-ZSS transformation. Gives us a chance to bring armor pieces back.
If you guys end up not liking neutral b, you could just scrap it altogether and make neutral b spawn a suit piece.
And if you land Fsmash (on shield or not), you grab them.
If you guys end up not liking neutral b, you could just scrap it altogether and make neutral b spawn a suit piece.
And if you land Fsmash (on shield or not), you grab them.