Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

[BioDG]

oh geez not this guy again

 

[Zanx8]

oh.
All her smashes can be used in some way....just they probably get out classed by another move or just not a good choice for that situation I guess. :I

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

UpSmash is good, Tesh is a poopface.

 

[infiniteV115]

Usmash goes from being an ok move to being an amazing move on stages where you can apply platform pressure, like BF or YI:B.

 

[FIERCE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTXt1SZ4fE

Is 0:44 just a regular B-Reveral? I can't seem to apply the same effect when I try it.

Thanks g0rls <3

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTXt1SZ4fE

Is 0:44 just a regular B-Reveral? I can't seem to apply the same effect when I try it.

Thanks g0rls <3

RAR b-reversal.

 

[infiniteV115]

No, it was a wavebounce.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It was a rar wavebounce.

:v

 

[infiniteV115]

I don't know what your definition of wavebounce is, but I'm going by the one in the Smash Lab's Standard Terms List, which is when you reverse your momentum without changing the direction you're facing/shooting the laser. A turnaround B-reversal, essentially.

It's hard to tell whether it was RAR'd or not but it was either an RAR b-reversal or a non-RAR'd wavebounce. An RAR wavebounce would have resulted in him shooting and moving left.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wavebounce = reverse momentum
B reverse = reverse direction

 

[infiniteV115]

If you're using that definition of wavebounce then yes it was a RAR wavebounce, but

Turnaround B = reverse direction only
B-reversal = reverse direction and momentum
Wavebounce = reverse momentum only = a turnaround B-reversal (it literally uses the inputs of both)

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Noooo not quite.
if you Turnaround B and then B-reversal, you go forward.

 

[infiniteV115]

Not under my definitions of turnaroundB and b-reversal, no you don't.
The double reversal of the direction causes you to end up facing the same direction, so ultimately you only reverse your momentum.

Try them out for yourself.
Turnaround B - Flick back on analog --> press B.
B-reversal - Press B --> press back on analog.
Wavebounce - Flick back on analog --> press B --> press forward. eg Flick left --> press B --> press right.

You can also just hold the analog slightly back rather than flicking back.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

umm

OK, I don't know what definitions everyone is using

but the input was like

RAR input
release control stick
tap and hold B
smash control stick right

I don't know what you call that, I've always called it a b-reversal.

 

[infiniteV115]

Yeah that's what a b-reversal is.

 

[FIERCE]

 

[Karnu]

What do I do with the suit parts when playing Snake and characters with reflectors.

 

[Spandex]

I usually just throw them up and read, but I wouldn't throw them if a character has a reflector. I usually just approach and side b since they can't reflect it.

Are there any character that can easily avoid ZSS's fair cg, or is there a list of how her cg works anywhere?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

with the reflector try to bait them to use the reflector and punish with down b or side b.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Glide toss up > grab/sideb

 

[infiniteV115]

If fighting Falco, hold suitpiece --> jump away --> b-reversed sideB towards Falco. It's a good way to punish his reflector since his reflector sucks.

For Fox/Wolf, glidetoss towards up/down and dsmash through their reflector and dsmash chain them for a ****ton of percent...I think it's a guaranteed death on Fox if you dsmash to ~100% --> sideB.

 

[Dakpo]

Seriously, more Zss have lost to will's DK then I care to admit

 

[infiniteV115]

Will knows the MU really well
I lost 2-3 to him in a $5 MM at IMPULSE...it was dumb. I won the first two games rather solidly, 3 and 4 I did stupid stuff offstage and I believe I got edgehogged a few times (lol) and then game 5 I literally had a full stock lead and somehow I lost. It was last stock last hit.

But yeah next time I face him he's going DOWN

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Cant find frame data, so let me just ask how many frames does it take to fully charge her neutral b? Also is there is a frame data hitbox thread? B/c the one is the resources thread does not work.

 

[infiniteV115]

Dunno how long it takes to fully charge her neutral B.
Maybe it's in the guide?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I would advise not doing it.

 

[Salem]

>Will talk

Out flash him to win.

Key to victory Zss's.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Its not in the guide, and i dont plan on doing it. I just want the frame data to use in a discussion for pm changes to zss

 

[Dakpo]

>Will talk

Out flash him to win.

Key to victory Zss's.

Dakpo likes this

 

[Soft Serve]

Is there a hitbox data thread anywhere on ZZS?

 

[ZeroN92]

If you mean hitbubbles and such, the only one i know of is this one http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=141942 . Theres probably a better one out there that i havent seen but, thats the only one i seen so far.

If you want frame data and such here you go http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178317&

If you need anything else check the resource center. Hope i helped.

 

[FEAR977]

Is there a hitbox data thread anywhere on ZZS?

I see that someone else posted the aib hitbox page link, but I don't think it has everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kd...ysPIPbW7CpJ7_ORg&index=136&feature=plpp_video
I pretty sure this vid does though. Skip to 0:25.

 

[PEACE7]

What are good ways of punishing Ike when he is doing his UpB towards the ledge and your on stage? I know DownB spike works if you time it right and probably sideB.

 

[infiniteV115]

With downB spike you'll probably have to not only aim the jump perfectly but time it before his sword gets to its max height, so it's not a safe choice.
SideB seems fairly safe. You might be able to grab/charged fsmash as well, but sideB is probably your best bet.

 

[PEACE7]

If we can grab him that would be sick and i think fsmash should work, ill try it thanks bro.

 

[infiniteV115]

Everything I said was speculation btw. I have no Ike experience and I was getting wrecked in friendlies at IMPULSE with San XD

 

[FIERCE]

Perhaps a pivot grab?

I like to airdodge behind them (if I see them trying to recover from below- and prevent being hit by a Up+B, then hitting them with a B-Air) timing is difficult and there are no Ike's here so I haven't tried it in some time, but it is an option.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I believe Riddle punishes with spaced Side B and Dsmash

 

[Dakpo]

I believe Riddle punishes with spaced Side B and Dsmash

Dsmash doesnt work if the ike doesnt suck

Side B is awesome and is perfect

 

[Coolwhip]

Is there an advance zss video guide? If not, there should be one made by one of you knowledgeable zss players.