Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

[Nefarious B]

So. I always forget, but I believe grab release regrab is infinite. So if you get a grab at highish percents (where they wont be able to mash out) pummel to refresh uair/bair then kill him. Don't fair because that **** should be SDIed if they are expecting a hit.

My approach to the Wario matchup involves a lot of nB spam because it shuts down the SHAD to grab approach decently well. The nB is meant to force a shield to keep Wario grounded, you're not really expecting to hit, but if you do hit, free grab to aerial kills

In general though when looking for a kill look to land a DA, dtilt, or grab and kill by reading their movements from there. Those are our best setups

 

[Light-Kratos]

Hi.
What are basically the best options after a shield break with Zss? I did it like 2 days ago and I was just standing like dumb wondering what to do xD. What I did was jump > throw armor piece down > Uair > glide toss up, following his DI but I'm pretty sure there were better & safer options.

 

[Dumbfire]

You could throw the Item piece up and then double Dsmash to follow up and then hope he'd get hit by the piece too. Charged Dsmash Downsmash Follow up is probably the best.. Most damaging at least.

 

[Pogoshark]

Can ZSS's d-smash,d-smash, up b infinite combo be broken if either marth or lucario uses a counter?

 

[NickRiddle]

Can ZSS's d-smash,d-smash, up b infinite combo be broken if either marth or lucario uses a counter?

if they hold away, they get out of it.
It actually doesn't work, and only really bad people get hit by it.

 

[Pogoshark]

if they hold away, they get out of it.
It actually doesn't work, and only really bad people get hit by it.

Damn, does ZSS have any other inf. that would work on those 2 characters?

 

[Light-Kratos]

Nop, Zss has no Infinite. (Exept maybe standing grab release on Squirtle? I don't remember if it is a standing / walking or running grab release). Even the one on Wario fails if he mashes side B, I guess.

 

[Dakpo]

I had the same problem with Wario when I first started using ZSS.

Get him off stage, wait for him to airdodge, Bair.

Or GR -> Uair -> Bair (Try refreshing them with pummeling / Jabs)

Side+B... Again: (Try refreshing it with pummeling / Jabs)

Of course, don't brainlessly try to grab him just to get the pummeling on him.

KK, gotta correct some ....misguided answers
If you do this...you will end up killing wario around 200% each stock. Keep your bair as fresh as you possibly can to score lower KOs. It is by far the best and most versatile killing tool we have against the fat man Try to punish air dodges with uair. Pummel break into fair and up air until your ready to kill with bair. Also you CAN infinite wario if the bike is out on the field.

 

[Dakpo]

Nop, Zss has no Infinite. (Exept maybe standing grab release on Squirtle? I don't remember if it is a standing / walking or running grab release). Even the one on Wario fails if he mashes side B, I guess.

Double post sorry :/
We have banana infinite on diddy...WHICH IS FLIPPEN AMAZING!!! Learn it well my friend. It is easily a game changer. And as i said earlier, you can infinite wario if his bike is out.

 

[Zero]

Nop, Zss has no Infinite. (Exept maybe standing grab release on Squirtle? I don't remember if it is a standing / walking or running grab release). Even the one on Wario fails if he mashes side B, I guess.

Banana infinite on probably every character

Dsmash footstool infinite on ROB

Dsmash lock (0-to-death) on Fox, (0-to-mid) on Falco, Wolf, Falcon (I think)

Air grab release MK, Pikachu

Dsmash > pivot grab Air release on Wario (conditions: no bike or jump)

That's all I think.

More than zero, by any means.

 

[NickRiddle]

D-smash lock on Sheik as well. (To like somewhere between 50-70.)
Air-release CG on Lucas and Squirtle. (Running)
Standing air-release CG on Squirtle.

Don't forget those.

 

[culexus・wau]

We need to look into our air release options.

I'm pretty suuuuuuuuuuuuuure we can get away with a dash buffered up-air if we check in frame advance.

problem is that actually doing that practically is ****ing hard but I'll find a way once I get this cast off

 

[Nefarious B]

Grab pummel infinite on Wario. Tire infinite on Wario

 

[Dakpo]

we have a pummel release infinite on wario ? sweet

 

[Zero]

Everyone we can air release, we can get an uair on, except for probably Jiggs.

 

[NickRiddle]

Everyone we can air release, we can get an uair on, except for probably Jiggs.

Pikachu?
i wanna see you do that to him.

 

[Zero]

lol

maybe not Pikachu

I know we can definitely get it on Toon Link.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Where can I find data on the amount of frame advantage ZSS has once an attack is landed on an opponents shield?

 

[Zero]

/me points to the ZSS Frame Data thread below

 

[Dakpo]

So i was wondering if everyone but me uses crouch to cancel their jabs...

 

[NickRiddle]

Canceling jabs?
That's for babies.
USE ALL THREE AND INTIMIDATE THE OPPONENT TO NOT SHIELD!

 

[_Kadaj_]

Look at that other thread let me know what is possible/not possible lol

 

[Light-Kratos]

So i was wondering if everyone but me uses crouch to cancel their jabs...

I do so for everyone, since I prefer Dtilting or jumping back (and not only with Zss) than grabbing (especially with ZSS xD), which is "easier", or let"s say more intuitive, if you cancel your jab with a shield.

 

[Zero]

I don't even use jab w/ ZSS

 

[Z1GMA]

Our Jab beeing 1 frame faster than Power Shielding
- Do you guys think there are cool ways of abusing that?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Shield is frame 1
jab is frame 1
wat?

 

[Z1GMA]

**** the same.

I was playing with the thought of using Jab instead of Sheild at rare times,
since our Jab is frame 1.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

it would work in a standard 2d fighter as reversal, but brawl cant let you do that, zigma.

 

[Lord Chair]

Yeah, jab is a perfect substitute for shielding, I suggest you use it all the time.

 

[solecalibur]

the priority of our jab (and the length of it) is pretty bad

 

[culexus・wau]

uh

shield is frame 2 ircc but what do I know

or else you could shield on wake-up sometimes to beat meaties easier.

our jab is a gdlk interruption tool regardless

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's 1 yo 10charss

 

[overgamer]

SHIELD OP 1 FRAME BAN!

Nah more seriously, jab is just usefull for interupting stuff, but jab2>jab3 sucks badly... Beh.
I'm bad with spacing Jabs.

 

[culexus・wau]

It's 1 yo 10charss

i think its 2

I would be abusing it so much more if it was f1

but its not.

why would squirtle get guranteed jab 1 on grab release on people if shield was frame 1?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Squirtle gets 1 frame advantage because of his animation.
You can't buffer anything if you're being grab released.

Thus Squirtle has 2 frames advantage. That's also why ZSS can jab.

 

[culexus・wau]

****ing godamnit

brb asking a SMASH RESEARCHER

**** you're right.

soo hyped for abusing f1 shield now

also my point about jab being a **** interrupt still stands

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I'm a ****ing smash researcher.

Nah, I just like ****facts.

 

[PEACE7]

Can someone explain to me how down b edge cancel is done please and thank you.

 

[Deathfox30]

Can someone explain to me how down b edge cancel is done please and thank you.

You tilt the control stick down and press B. Then you hit B again and try to space it so you hit the end of a platform or the stage and slide off it.

 

[PEACE7]

Oh alright thanks is doing this helpful in any way?