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Zero Suit Samus Questions & Answers

Dumbfire

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I had some post but it was wrong so I changed it and it wasn't long enough so I added extra O's and a sorry.
Ignore.
 
Zero

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Okay, downB platform cancels are /kinda/ risky because if you even get shielded, the hitlag means that you can get punished for it. That being said, it's a decent mixup which is mostly safe and has a very good reward.

downB platform cancels are amazing for controlling airspace, especially if your opponent is airborne. You can set up quite a few very nice frame traps with high damage output and potentially a kill. Play with it on Battlefield and Brinstar and see what you can come up with.
 
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Bair is a nice way to get them off you too.

in fact doing the bair while pikmin are on you makes the hitbox stay out longer.

this is true for all hitboxes with good amounts of hitlag
 
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FWK it's true that the hitbox stays out but that's not a good thing when you're trying to get the pikmin off. If you're trying to get the pikmin off you aren't spacing to hit olimar, the extra time just gives him more opportunity to punish you
 
Xyro77

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I want zs to be my 2ndary and i have a question or 2.

How do you get a huge jump out of the Down+B jump? I see so many ZS Down+B then just some super huge jump after it.

What is the safest way to jab? It seems people PS my 3rd jab all the time!!!
 
NickRiddle

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Xyro77 said:
I want zs to be my 2ndary and i have a question or 2.

How do you get a huge jump out of the Down+B jump? I see so many ZS Down+B then just some super huge jump after it.

What is the safest way to jab? It seems people PS my 3rd jab all the time!!!
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Down-b footstool. Input a jump any time during the down-b, and you'll footstool off of people, invulnerable people, and items.

Jab is always PSable on third hit. Mix-up your timings on your jabs, and your unsafe cancels on your jabs.

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Yeah, that's the real answer.
 
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so is it best to use both jabs and cancel the 3rd then restart and go thru with all 3 as some sort of trick?
 
Nefarious B

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Xyro77 said:
How do you get a huge jump out of the Down+B jump? I see so many ZS Down+B then just some super huge jump after it.
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He's talking about the normal footstool jump, which I don't know how to do out of a down b either :( I can only do the flipstool cannon ball one
 
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Oh. The super high type of jump IIRC is only done if the opponent is not in an idle animation, or hanging from he ledge.
I think I tested this a little.
 
Micklem

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wuut
Am I missing something
I thought it was an even MU
Fox's early kills make up for that??
..
k, imma start reading the MU guide

Does it work on any fast-fallers?
 
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Works on Captain Falcon and Sheik for a few reps at 0%.

Works on Falco and Wolf from 0 to mid.

Works on Fox from 0 to high.

Fox MU is a bit of an enigma around here. I'm still certain that it's ZSS advantage.
 
Micklem

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Lul it works on falco.. How had I not heard of this before
Although I don't really have much to complain about in the mu lol.
Thanks zero
 
NickRiddle

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Micklem said:
wuut
Am I missing something
I thought it was an even MU
Fox's early kills make up for that??
..
k, imma start reading the MU guide

Does it work on any fast-fallers?
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It's even BECAUSE of this.
Why the **** is Fox ever just standing therel etting you use a 20-frame move, when he's ****ing Fox?

Zero said:
Works on Captain Falcon and Sheik for a few reps at 0%.

Works on Falco and Wolf from 0 to mid.

Works on Fox from 0 to high.

Fox MU is a bit of an enigma around here. I'm still certain that it's ZSS advantage.
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Works on Snake for like 1 rep.
Not much, but it helps.
 
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..Really? Nickriddle just said 20 frame moves only hit if your opponent stands still?
It's called reading. Not to mention that dsmash has fair range and priority
I'm not saying spam it. Like most of what zss does it's situational. She's a good character because she has so many situational means of racking up damage that she's set for most situations, if you're fast enough.

Anyway, I admit it doesn't happen all that often, but surely it happens at least once per game? (I'm guessing here, quite possibly entirely wrong)


Anyway thanks for the info.
 
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It is called reading. Spot a Fox player abusing airdodging into you? Dsmash that **** for a free kill. I think this is one MU that the pivot dsmash thing that Z1GMA posted about recently would be very useful, as Fox mains are very reliant on safe nair spacing, and it using it would be like a wavedash dsmash.

IMO the thing to remember in this matchup is to not get caught in your shield. You beat all of Fox's aerials ezpz. Just don't get intimidated, keep moving.
 
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Micklem said:
..Really? Nickriddle just said 20 frame moves only hit if your opponent stands still?
It's called reading. Not to mention that dsmash has fair range and priority
I'm not saying spam it. Like most of what zss does it's situational. She's a good character because she has so many situational means of racking up damage that she's set for most situations, if you're fast enough.

Anyway, I admit it doesn't happen all that often, but surely it happens at least once per game? (I'm guessing here, quite possibly entirely wrong)


Anyway thanks for the info.

Edit: re-thought about that... yeah, I'd forgotten it was fox. he could run the stage back and forth many times in 20 frames. But it's useful on other characters.
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See, you must not know me.
Hi, I'm NickRiddle. I think D-smash is ZSS's best move.
I would maybe use 2-3 vs. a Fox player. He moves way too fast, ALWAYS has the option to camp, and if he sees it coming, dair > move for free.

Zero said:
It is called reading. Spot a Fox player abusing airdodging into you? Dsmash that **** for a free kill. I think this is one MU that the pivot dsmash thing that Z1GMA posted about recently would be very useful, as Fox mains are very reliant on safe nair spacing, and it using it would be like a wavedash dsmash.

IMO the thing to remember in this matchup is to not get caught in your shield. You beat all of Fox's aerials ezpz. Just don't get intimidated, keep moving.
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Fox is small, fast, always has the option to camp, and kills you at 90.

I'm not worried about Fox's aerials when I'm in the air.
I'm worried about Fox just faking us out, and then ****** us for it... Fox is really good at that, and ZSS usually has to commit to what she's doing.
 
Micklem

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Hi nr. Thanks for being helpful. When I asked about the MU I was indeed insulting you personally for spamming dsmash.

I get that fox gets the early kills, and that he's hard to catch with the dsmash. I also get that zss has ways around his camping (since the lasers don't stun like falco's), that zss wins in the air and that gimps and dsmashes do happen. The trick there is in your use of the phrase 'if he sees it coming'.

Anyway, I was only here to ask about the combo, and thanks zero for answering.
 
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