~ Zelda's Matchups ~ (obselete thread/check stickies)

[Kataefi]

...vs Meta Knight

...vs Snake

...vs Wario

...vs Falco

...vs Diddy

...vs Dedede

...vs Marth

...vs Game and Watch

...vs Pikachu

...vs Olimar

...vs Ice Climbers

...vs R.O.B

...vs Zero Suit Samus

...vs Pit *no writeup

...vs Peach

...vs Sonic

...vs Squirtle / ...Ivysaur / ...Charizard *no writeup

...vs Lucas

...vs Ness
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What can you do in this thread?

• You can request a character matchup here.

• Characters who already have an individual thread don't need to be requested - you can direct your opinions on the matchup over at the corresponding thread.

 

[MrEh]

My chart is better. lol

*but I shall heed the words of kataefi (with my permission of course) and post this chart I speak of at the bottom of the page to not confuse people =p*

 

[-Mars-]

Nice chart Kata. I really like the artwork and the accurate ratios.

 

[XFadingNirvanaX]

Very nice layout and art. This looks more simple and easy to look through.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

it seems so fresh and clean in here now

 

[KayLo!]

I likes it.

 

[GreyFox86]

Wow, 75:25 on G&W? Really crazy.

EDIT: It's cool though. Like the setup.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

This'll do just fine for people that wanna see info on a matchup and don't want to browse through other matchups.

What would be even cooler is instead of posting a link next to a separate character icon, how about linking it to the character on the matchup chart if it were actually possible? That would be amazing, but it is definitely much more organized here as is.

 

[SinkingHigher]

I see no problems with Chad's chart.

I don't agree that GW is harder than MK though, or that MK is just as hard as Snake, Kat.

I also agree with scary LB. Would it be possible to set the tags to hyperlink the images kat?

 

[KayLo!]

Would it be possible to set the tags to hyperlink the images kat?

Yes. The Pika boards have that for our matchup chart.

The only problem is that it can show up differently on different browsers..... for instance, the Pika chart looks fine on Mozilla, but on IE, it kind of distorts the page because it fails to read the line breaks..... @.@

If you need help doing it, Kataefi (if you decide to do it), PM Kitt22. He'll be happy to help you out.

 

[MrEh]

I see no problems with Chad's chart.

I like my chart too. lol

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I like Kat's chart.

it's easy to look at without stretching the screen. It's fine for a chart to be pretty as long as that doesn't get in the way of its fuctionality. As long as you can tell who all the characters are, it's good. Zelda looks funky on the chart, but considering it's a ZELDA chart, it's easy to pick her out.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Zelda and Zamus look funny on Kats chart lol

i think Zelda dittos should be marked as epic becuase its fact

 

[-Mars-]

Zelda dittos are really dumb. Whoever approaches loses, there is no such thing as an epic Zelda ditto.

 

[SinkingHigher]

What's with all this screen stretching business? Even in Chad's original post nothing was being stretched.

Anyway, do you guys REALLY think that MK and Snake are 30:70 while GW is 25?

 

[KayLo!]

I thought MK/Snake were 20:80 and G&W was 25:75.... whatevs. They're all ridiculously hard.

 

[MrEh]

MK 20-80
Snake 30-70
Gdub 25-75

 

[Ochobobo]

Zelda dittos are really dumb. Whoever approaches loses, there is no such thing as an epic Zelda ditto.

DarkMusician vs NinjaLink has the potential to be pretty epic. (until it starts, I'm guessin lol)

 

[Kataefi]

That's just what the general consensus was in the matchup threads I was reading through - I'm not just making them up lmao >.<

I don't fight eniough snakes and game and watches to make a good informed opinion in comparison to the almighty MK. But if people want it changed then so be it. Either way lol I think it's more than clear they're bad matchups!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

What's with all this screen stretching business? Even in Chad's original post nothing was being stretched.

Anyway, do you guys REALLY think that MK and Snake are 30:70 while GW is 25?

no... I think MK is 70:30, Snake is 75:25 and game and watch is 80:20

 

[mountain_tiger]

Personally, I think that both the charts look fine, though **** her matchups with top tiers suck (and they aren't too great with some of the mid tiers either).

And here's what I think of the matchups:

MK 25-75
Snake 30-70
G&W 20-80

Edit: Oh, and do you think we could do Fox as the next matchup please? I'm really confused about that one. Some say it's 40:60 in Fox's favour, but some say it's the same in Zelda's favour!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Personally, I think that both the charts look fine, though **** her matchups with top tiers suck (and they aren't too great with some of the mid tiers either).

And here's what I think of the matchups:

MK 25-75
Snake 30-70
G&W 20-80

Edit: Oh, and do you think we could do Fox as the next matchup please? I'm really confused about that one. Some say it's 40:60 in Fox's favour, but some say it's the same in Zelda's favour!

Zelda ***** aggro foxes and has trouble with defensive ones.... that probably accounts for the two different matchup numbers.

 

[choknater]

aw man... zelda's matchups are bad

this makes me sad

i keep trying to bring out her potential

but i still keep getting ***** sometimes

ahhhh

sheik is amazing though...

 

[Kataefi]

I could essentially just swap GW's with MK's ratios lol... that would ease the pain of altering the chart some more hahaha! >.<

It's only a 5 point difference from 20:80 and 30:70, so MrEh you don't have to cry juuuuust yet =p but anyways it's pretty much accepted the matchups are soooper bad!

At the same time though... a lot of people are having more difficulty with some characters more than others - so perhaps another sort of scoring system could be employed, much like what the snake's do with their star ratings. What do people think?

 

[GodAtHand]

I don't know! I must be the most ******** Zelda ever. I have a hard time with R.O.Bs and a much easier time with G&Ws and Metas in comparison...

 

[SinkingHigher]

I think you're just playing the most ******** GWs and MKs ever...

 

[KayLo!]

I don't know! I must be the most ******** Zelda ever. I have a hard time with R.O.Bs and a much easier time with G&Ws and Metas in comparison...

Oh god.... yeah, that really doesn't make any sense, sorry. Maybe you just have bad G&W/MK experience..... move to NJ. x.x They'll learn you quick (on MK, anyways).

I do have a tough time with ROB in general, though. That's a matchup I'd love to see discussed since Pika has trouble with him too, but I never know if I should whip out Zelda or not. @.@

 

[-Mars-]

G&W juggles Zelda to death. Honestly his uair was desigened to **** Zelda. He also kills Zelda earlier than MK......really early.

Zelda has like no ways to get inside G&W, I can IDA to punish a misspaced bair on occasion.......but really it's not fun. MK is equally as hard but at least we can live for a while longer.

That's why G&W is harder than MK......simple as that.

20-80 G&W
30-70 Snake
25-75 MK.

 

[GodAtHand]

Oh god.... yeah, that really doesn't make any sense, sorry. Maybe you just have bad G&W/MK experience..... move to NJ. x.x They'll learn you quick (on MK, anyways).
@.@

I have played some NJ MK. Same situation. They are like NE ones with more tornado. Which I am decent at getting out of. Now playing a good G&W I have yet to do because I haven't found OBM in a tournament yet lol.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

Zelda dittos are really dumb. Whoever approaches loses, there is no such thing as an epic Zelda ditto.

thats why its so epic

Spoiler

failure

 

[GodAtHand]

G&W juggles Zelda to death. Honestly his uair was desigened to **** Zelda. He also kills Zelda earlier than MK......really early.

Zelda has like no ways to get inside G&W, I can IDA to punish a misspaced bair on occasion.......but really it's not fun. MK is equally as hard but at least we can live for a while longer.

That's why G&W is harder than MK......simple as that.

20-80 G&W
30-70 Snake
25-75 MK.

Once the Meta finds out that Zelda's recovery has such a ridiculously long startup time you won't be living for long, its so simple to just chase her off the stage and keep her off with meta.

double post without thinking... JK JigglyZelda saved me!

 

[Chis]

I hope the Sonic match up comes soon, that should be a fun read.

 

[-Mars-]

Once the Meta finds out that Zelda's recovery has such a ridiculously long startup time you won't be living for long, its so simple to just chase her off the stage and keep her off with meta.

double post without thinking... JK JigglyZelda saved me!

Of course. But I would much rather take my chances with MK than dying at 85% every stock with G&W.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

I hope the Sonic match up comes soon, that should be a fast read.

fix'd

Of course. But I would much rather take my chances with MK than dying at 85% every stock with G&W.

same here, but meh i'd rather fight snake than either of them as Zelda

 

[stealth3654]

Hey, the Sheik boards are currently discussing the Zelda match-up here: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=226389&page=32.

Your contributions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks .

 

[choknater]

awww haha

we are discussing how to beat ourselves!

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Once the Meta finds out that Zelda's recovery has such a ridiculously long startup time you won't be living for long, its so simple to just chase her off the stage and keep her off with meta.

double post without thinking... JK JigglyZelda saved me!

MK is a better gimper against Zelda than G&W, but G&W can gimp sometimes too. But the matchup isn't all about gimping. it's about the fact taht Zelda has a nearly impossible time hitting G&W (that means wracking damage AND killing) and merely a tough time hitting meta. And game and watch DOES juggle her better on the stage and CAN kill her better.

As for snake, he's easier to hit than either, but he's harder to kill. He's easier to gimp maybe, but he's harder to kill outright. He can camp the hell out of us and, not lettingbus get our feet below us is really rough. He can't gimp us like the other two, or brutalize us in the air, but his aerials hit hard enough to maim and he can still abuse our recovery even if he can't gimp it. But all that is unimportant considering how ridiculously early he kills us outright. I find it funny, yet sad, that zelda's recover is bad enough that he can actually nail us with his FSMASH as punishment.


All these things considered inevitibly lead to one conclusion: all 3 are bad matchups. Clearly hard counters. Beyond that, however, it seems largely subjective and unsure as far as which is the worst.
My personal experience of the matchups say that Metaknights are the easiest (not easy... but easier than the others) and that game and watches are the toughest.
Also, they are not worse than 80:20 or better than 70:30

general consensus is that, indeed, G&W is the worst matchup, but it looks like a lot of you have more trouble with MK than Snake.
I disagree.... but.... whatever. given how bad all the matchups are. The fact that they are hard counters is sufficient to know.

 

[MrEh]

MK is worse the Gdub. But the matchup is still so outrageously bad that arguing which is worse doesn't make much of a difference.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

MK is worse the Gdub. But the matchup is still so outrageously bad that arguing which is worse doesn't make much of a difference.

Zelda mains tend to disagree with the bowser main about her matchup with MK vs. her matuchup with G&W.

I'm gonna go with Zelda mains on this one. G&W is bad in all imaginable ways. MK is not.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

does it really matter if you get gimped at 70% or killed at 70%?

lets just cp them both and move on.