Xonar is Bored aka Xonar's feedback and ranking thread

[~ Gheb ~]

What the hell is up with all those terribly inaccurate tier lists being posted? 0_0

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Top: EE, Overswarm, Tom and Frozenflame when active
High: Omni, Swiss, J, Vand, Cello, Kat, myself
Medium: Asdioh, Gheb, Adumb, X1, Zen, Inferno, most experienced players.
Low: Ryker, Frozenflame under most circumstances, most newbies.
Bottom: Rockin with a vigilante role, SwordsRBroken with a survivor role, town in Bad Idea Mafia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_dx3jOyFKA

 

[Nicholas1024]

Let's see. Last game Ryker was extremely scummy, completely unhelpful, pushed a lynch on someone he didn't find that scummy to save his own neck as a VT, before finally getting mislynched at the end.

And the game before that he was equally scummy, willing to lynch anyone EXCEPT the two mafia and himself at the end of D1, and only avoided a lynch himself because three people in a row basically asked to die.

I think based on recent play, that slot is completely justified.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ryker
Absolutely Flawless

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Sweet Home Alabama
Brawl FC: 5026-8164-2951
Posts: 1,280

 

[Dooms]

All that matters.

 

[adumbrodeus]

sup, do i get a review?

 

[Raziek]

I thought that was Zen. My list would probably be (if you're not on this list, I probably just didn't remember you)

Top: EE, Overswarm, Tom and Frozenflame when active
High: Omni, Swiss, J, Vand, Cello, Kat, myself
Medium: Asdioh, Gheb, Adumb, X1, Zen, Inferno, most experienced players.
Low: Ryker, Frozenflame under most circumstances, most newbies.
Bottom: Rockin with a vigilante role, SwordsRBroken with a survivor role, town in Bad Idea Mafia.

I'm probably annoying a lot of people with this, but don't take it too hard. Keep in mind that it's my personal opinion, and a lot of players I haven't played with more than once or twice, perhaps I just saw you having one of your bad games.

For a second I was like ok.....

then you had Inferno above Ryker.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Let's see. Last game Ryker was extremely scummy, completely unhelpful, pushed a lynch on someone he didn't find that scummy to save his own neck as a VT, before finally getting mislynched at the end.

And the game before that he was equally scummy, willing to lynch anyone EXCEPT the two mafia and himself at the end of D1, and only avoided a lynch himself because three people in a row basically asked to die.

I think based on recent play, that slot is completely justified.

Small sample size.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Maybe, but until I see him actually play better, that's where he's staying.

The only thing keeping him from bottom tier is that Ryker-scum was competent (if not spectacular) in FFIX mafia.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Maybe, but until I see him actually play better, that's where he's staying.

The only thing keeping him from bottom tier is that Ryker-scum was competent (if not spectacular) in FFIX mafia.

Ahahahahahahaha!

I carried you through that game and set-up the executioner play since Day 1. You came in with some insane plan to bus me or J and just tunnel the entire game.

No, I'm fine with Nich's opinion of me. Drives me to make more artistic creations with him as the centerpiece.

 

[Dooms]

Top: EE, Overswarm, Tom and Frozenflame when active
High: Omni, Swiss, J, Vand, Cello, Kat, myself
Medium: Asdioh, Gheb, Adumb, X1, Zen, Inferno, most experienced players.
Low: Ryker, Frozenflame under most circumstances, most newbies.
Bottom: Rockin with a vigilante role, SwordsRBroken with a survivor role, town in Bad Idea Mafia.

Top: Me
High: Everyone else
Middle: ...
Low: ...
Bottom: You.

 

[#HBC | J]

No, I'm fine with Nich's opinion of me. Drives me to make more artistic creations with him as the centerpiece.

Please don't do that because doing it just for the fact of ripping him a new one is just bad. =/

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

You would have to see it in context, J baby.

 

[#HBC | J]

*shruggers*

Haha I have my own personal DGames tier though but I'm probably keeping it to myself because it's just a reference for when I go into a game and look at the player list beforehand. It's just a mental list. =3

 

[Dooms]

J you should share your list. It's probably better than the ones in here

Spoiler

except mine

.

 

[Asdioh]

I agree with Joey

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'd make a list

But lists are for

 

[Garth Blackburn]

NEEEEEEEEEEEERDS

*shades*

 

[Axel]

I agree with Assdioh agreeing with Joey.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Top: People I like
Bottom: People I don't like

 

[Chaco]

I'd be down to hear what people think about my play. It'd be interesting to say the least.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Honestly Chaco, I don't remember much since it's been so long since we last played. What was the last game we were both in?

 

[#HBC | J]

Well alright I guess haha. Though to be fair it should have a little disclaimer.

This is just my thoughts on things especially considering after my break and realizing some things in my play that have made me play so much better and have helped me analyze thingies better. =D It may just have recent names but yeah. It also kind of goes for me of how hard it is to lynch this person compared to others. The order doesn't matter just where they are for me. =P I mean I just group them together ya know?

Top: EE/Kataefi/Swiss
High: Kuzi/Zen/Vandy/OS
Higher Mid: J/Circus/Ryker/July/Swords/Brosuke/Gorf/WL/Gheb
Mid: T-B/Raziek/Soupamario/Rajam/Sangfroid/Tanny/Dooms/Asdioh/Acrostic/Gova/Inferno
Lower: Kanty/RR/Bardull/Ranmaru/Tery/Courier/Orboknown/DH/Felipe

That's the grouping but if I haaad to give a ranking it'd probably look like this.

[collapse=Listing]1.) Evil Eye
2.) Swiss
3.) Kataefi
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4.) Kuzi
5.) Overswarm
6.) Zen
7.) Vandy
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8.) Swords
9.) J
10.) Circus
11.) Brosuke
12.) Ryker
13.) Gheb
14.) July
15.) Washedlaundry
16.) Gorf
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17.) Asdioh
18.) Gova
19.) T-Block
20.) SangfroidWarrior
21.) Acrostic
22.) Raziek
23.) Rajam
24.) Soupamario
25.) Tandora
26.) Dooms
27.) Inferno
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28.) Kantrip
29.) Bardull
30.) Red Ryu
31.) Orboknown
32.) Courier
33.) Tery
34.) Dark Horse
35.) Felipe[/collapse]

Though this is just a quick compliation that would require some explaining which I'd be more than happy too but atm that's where I stand with players I guessss but not really. See it's dependent on so many factors. Lemme explain: Player X could have one REALLY good game and it's like "ishufsjfbwyeghas MVP wtf is obv at this point." then the next game it's like "........complete opposite like wow you no do well this time." I pretty much am triyng to look at consistency within games as regards to players who are strong.

Here are some explanations for what I, personally, rank my tier around.

[collapse=Explanations]Top three: These three have never really had a terrible game where they were just like "....you are good?" Like EE is just...well he is iconic for being good. Swiss is as well. Kataefi too. Like it's easy for me to have these three so high because they just ARE the best and there is like no real reason to say they aren't. *shrug*

High: Pretty much insanely consistent with having good games regardless of when they play and never really falter. Not as asnfyuqgwushn as the top three imo buuuut you need some dag on good evidence to get them lynched and they are a pain to fight off logic against no matter what their alignment. However, the thing about these guys is that sometimes they will have those games where they nail scum, or those games that they just miss every scummy but like one. Dependent on the casts. Regardless of their reads, good luck lynching these guys.

Higher-mid: With these guys, these guys are really consistently good but at the same time have a few regrettable games under their belt. They have exp. and have promise to be so much better players but still have a bit more games to go before they hit the ELITE status. Each player in this category pretty much has a quirk that they use to their best ability and it does pay off. These guys are the high-ballers in games and still stand a chance against the top three/High tier but they need a good game on their side to help them. The people in this category also ironically enough consists of players I absolutely love playing with pretty much as any alignment. The reason why I like them is because there will be something fun happening with them in it. Anyways, these guys are underdogs and each can rule a game if they wanted to.

Mid: I pretty much consider this the hit or miss category. The people in this category could have a stellar game but at the same time they could just be "...." sometimes and get killed or have to be saved by their PR. Each player in here shows potential but the fact is they have not reached nor shown their full capacity yet and I am REALLY REALLY wanting these players to grow because they will make games incredibly fun to read and see go at it. I would love to see like a roster of just these people in it without anyone from the higher tiers to see who will show what they have in a town full of these types of people. They have good reads every now and then but never are really the front runners of games nor are they like "OMG we gotta keep them alive cuz without them we might lose this game." sans a PR claim.

Lower: This category is split two ways. Either here because you are still too new to be given a serious ranking ooooor they still need work based off their last couple of games not doing the bestest in the world. ^^" Basically the room for improvement category! I suggest reading games without knowing alignments and taking notes. That helps looooads for practicing mafia without being in a game.[/collapse]

Anyways, there you guys is. =P

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I don't know if its a good thing or a bad thing I haven't made a single list yet

 

[Dooms]

>Doesn't play mafia anymore
>Is listed as mid-low

Yaaay :D

 

[#HBC | J]

Ya know what? I had ya on my list but I cannot honestly say I have seen a game where you have played seriously EXCEPT for that one game where we were at each others throats due to insane bussing and the game where we were also scum together but we both got ****ed by NAs. xD

And lol Joey. xD I've seen you grow as a player since your very first game here so yeaaaah.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Nice list, although I'm kind of surprised you didn't rank me in it. Where would you put me, I wonder?

 

[#HBC | J]

Well Nichy we have played a total of like 2 games together so I caaaaaan't really say. TT was a dsnhfkjgsajdkwn ew and FF9 I set myself up to die and you just replaced in. I need to read more of you but if I had to make an opinion, I'd put you iiiiiiiiiiin the Mid around Asdioh/Gova/TB/Sang.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

I really like T-Block's play on both occasions I've been scum with him. First being U'Trick'd 2 where he carried that game for me after getting lynched D1 and also his effort in Majora's Mask Mafia which he put up a valiant effort in what I thought would be settled as a quick policy lynch. In addition to those two games, I also enjoyed how he played in Moderator Mafia and produced reads early on in a game that looked really fruitless. So to be honest, I'm happy with being anywhere near T-Block. I totally respect J, th3kuz, Brosuke, Ryker, and all those players. But like T-Block has actually carried me and shown that he's a reliably consistent partner (Ragnarok mafia never existed btw).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Guess I'm stuck in Roy tier.

 

[#HBC | J]

Guess I'm stuck in Roy tier.

Funny enough, I'm scared to lynch you RR. It's always bites me in the *** regardless of my alignment. xD Thoooough to be fair, I think the thingy with you is you know what to do to help yourself duder. I can't wait to see a RR that just dominates a game haha and can finally return a lynch my way for all the times I've lynched you!

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Ruy, if you settle down a bit more and stop looking at things in such a black-and-white, this-is-textbook-scum play, you'd probably improve. You tend to stick to the same guns of "you're sheeping," "fluff," "faking intent," etc., and you rarely get anywhere with it. If you're not calling it wrong (which you tend to do), you're points are flimsy and easily ran over. Try figuring out some other scummy tells, but also realize that they're not always going to yield scum. Even the most consistent ones will sometimes net a dumb townie.

 

[Axel]

>Soup better than me

i'm caught between "are you ****ing serious" and "challenge accepted"

and that's not even including x1 >:v

I've been reading some of Soups stuff lately, and I've seemed to always underestimate him. The way he reads people is so unique but often accurate. He hasn't always gone about it the right way, but I think he's improved quite a bit since I've last been here. I've also have always had a hard time reading him because his play is so gives his stances is so peculiar. Though I do admit that placement might be more of the potential I see in him rather than current. with regards to yourself, I haven't really played with you much actually. My judgement springs from Touhou which wasn't bad, Gurren Lagann, and that one game that OS hosted which uh yeh.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ruy, if you settle down a bit more and stop looking at things in such a black-and-white, this-is-textbook-scum play, you'd probably improve. You tend to stick to the same guns of "you're sheeping," "fluff," "faking intent," etc., and you rarely get anywhere with it. If you're not calling it wrong (which you tend to do), you're points are flimsy and easily ran over. Try figuring out some other scummy tells, but also realize that they're not always going to yield scum. Even the most consistent ones will sometimes net a dumb townie.

I really think I have been moving away from this.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I've been reading some of Soups stuff lately, and I've seemed to always underestimate him. The way he reads people is so unique but often accurate. He hasn't always gone about it the right way, but I think he's improved quite a bit since I've last been here. I've also have always had a hard time reading him because his play is so gives his stances is so peculiar. Though I do admit that placement might be more of the potential I see in him rather than current. with regards to yourself, I haven't really played with you much actually. My judgement springs from Touhou which wasn't bad, Gurren Lagann, and that one game that OS hosted which uh yeh.

/nod

Fair enough.

And I see what you're saying, albeit my perspective of newer Soup has been UTrick'd2, Lost, and GS3. I can't talk about the latter (even though I want to), but the first two were not really above-average play for him. He replaced out of Lost and got lynched in UTrick'd2 because he decided actually contributing was for squares.

I agree his reads are surprisingly accurate as well but I just...want to see him do more with it. Usually he's crippling himself either by pulling some outlandish and ultimately ineffective gambit or playing to his role so much that his output suffers. He's rarely a player to NK, but that's because he's rarely a threat to scum. If he'd treat every role he had like it was a VT, he'd probably be a boon. But he won't, because he values his role over his own input. Once he realizes that no matter how good his role is, his reads and his votes are always going to be infinitely more useful to town, he'll probably shape up to a decent player. Until then, up to him.

@Ruy: I guess? I haven't particularly noticed but the last game that I've played with you fully was like UTrick'd2. I replaced into Lost after you died and died far too quickly in GS3 or Walgreen's to notice a marked difference. I'd need to see it with my own eyes, not that that's any fault of yours.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well Nichy we have played a total of like 2 games together so I caaaaaan't really say. TT was a dsnhfkjgsajdkwn ew and FF9 I set myself up to die and you just replaced in. I need to read more of you but if I had to make an opinion, I'd put you iiiiiiiiiiin the Mid around Asdioh/Gova/TB/Sang.

...how many games have you played with me? I've been back for like... three completed games by now. Higurashi (which was a return to mafia, hydra) Utrick'd (also a return, I didn't do that much in Higu tbh) and FL (had some luck here.)

If you're looking at consistency, then your sample size for me should make it so you can't rank me

 

[#HBC | J]

I have read other games of you duder though especially when you weren't playing and you would suggest to read games you were in like Muppet Mafia for instance. =P

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Muppet Mafia is like the worst game I ever played ._.

 

[#HBC | J]

Haha, plus I am also looking at knowing you as a player and you, to me, seem the same category as Ryker/Circus/Swords as being able to lynch you.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Never really played with Circus. I know Swords is borderline impossible to lynch if he is town because he's so obv town, so I take that as a compliment.