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X or Y? - PT Social
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I do know the feeling :/ . The Wii U's the only thing I saw in the the future worth saving up for.
Although at least I have a roof over my head, insurance and rarely go hungry. A lot of people don't
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...but in all honesty, I am annoyed by people who own a car(s). *shrug*
Although at least I have a roof over my head, insurance and rarely go hungry. A lot of people don't
. ...but in all honesty, I am annoyed by people who own a car(s). *shrug*
^ A good way to looks at life. Though having a car is a privilege as well I'm thankful to have. My truck has sentimental value to me because my dad got it for me before he passed away. But I agree, I get a bit disgruntled at people these days who either have nothing or have everything and still expect to be waited on by the world. And I live in an area where people have everything and expect to be waited on by the world. Makes me want to punch them in the face because I'm a working class citizen. Oh well. I work hard for my money and I at least get satisfaction out of that.
MaTA
Smash Ace
....hey....
Wow something exceptionally lame just happened to my Squirtle. I was near the ledge and shielding a getup attack from metaknight. As soon as I grab him and buffer dthrow, it got cancelled during the animation and i get knocked off stage.
Never seen that happen with someone not olimar.
Never seen that happen with someone not olimar.
Yes, this is possible if you do it right. Typically, you want to footstool your opponent after. It's pretty good, especially if you hydrograb them and do it.
Grizzlpaw
Rawr~ ♪
It's so funny when people make the mistake of thinking Charizard is slow.
Grizzlpaw
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Well... I mean, technically speaking, I think they slimmed him down a bit in Brawl lol.
But yeah, he's still fat.
But yeah, he's still fat.
I'd say it's Charizard's lack of a safe approach. Charizard is fast and hits hard, but he can't really poke at the opponent without putting himself at risk. If he could manage that, it wouldn't matter if he could be juggled, because he could just stay out of the air.
As a result, you're forced to take the first swing and lose to a multitude of defensive options or Flamethrower until you're tired. It's a shame.
As a result, you're forced to take the first swing and lose to a multitude of defensive options or Flamethrower until you're tired. It's a shame.
Grizzlpaw
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If asked what Charizard's greatest weakness is I'd probably say it's his vulnerability to camping, since it forces him to approach the opponent. Charizard seems like someone who was built more for for shutting down approaches than for approaching.
Uh, charizard IS slow. Having to always dash is VERY limiting and his airspeed is balls too. This means he can't really feint with his movements at all because good walks or airspeed can just change directions quickly. So when he is coming at you, its just a matter of which option he will pick, there isn't much turning back because he is soooooooooooo fat that if you tried to hit him, he can't move out of the way.
If he didn't have literally the slowest walk in the game, his decent jab and awesome ftilt and dtilt would actually come into play. His Dsmash would have way more uses too. He just always has to dash around and it sucks. His fat *** it right there when he turns around so you can hit him anyway.
If he didn't have literally the slowest walk in the game, his decent jab and awesome ftilt and dtilt would actually come into play. His Dsmash would have way more uses too. He just always has to dash around and it sucks. His fat *** it right there when he turns around so you can hit him anyway.
Chars air speed is above average.
[COLLAPSE=Air Speed List] 1. Yoshi (1.32)
2. Jigglypuff (1.27)
3. Wario (1.22)
3. Wolf (1.22)
5. Captain Falcon (1.18)
6. Sonic (1.11)
7. Donkey Kong (1.08)
7. Mr. Game & Watch (1.08)
7. Squirtle (1.08)
10. Lucas (1.05)
11. Bowser (1.03)
11. Marth (1.03)
11. Zero Suit Samus (1.03)
14. Charizard (0.99)
14. Lucario (0.99)
14. Samus (0.99)
14. Zelda (0.99)
18. Ness (0.96)
19. Mario (0.94)
19. Snake (0.94)
19. Toon Link (0.94)
22. Ike (0.92)
23. Pikachu (0.91)
24. Falco (0.89)
24. Fox (0.89)
24. Peach (0.89)
24. Pit (0.89)
24. R.O.B. (0.89)
29. Ganondorf (0.85)
29. Kirby (0.85)
29. Sheik (0.85)
32. Diddy Kong (0.83)
33. Olimar (0.82)
34. Link (0.81)
35. Ice Climbers (0.77)
36. Ivysaur (0.75)
36. Meta Knight (0.75)
38. Luigi (0.73)
39. King Dedede (0.66)[/COLLAPSE]
Char's not fast be he's not a slow character either. Char's grab range is a big thing that save him IMO.
I meant aerial acceleration. Relative to his size, he doesn't change directions very well at all, and it makes his jumps very committed. Which means he is left with dash commitment, jump commitment and walking with his options open is just suuuuuuuuuuuuper slow.
You'd think they would have given him a good upsmash and dash attack since its half of what he has available most of the time anyway.
You'd think they would have given him a good upsmash and dash attack since its half of what he has available most of the time anyway.
T-block
B2B TST
charizard's pivot is way too good for "dash commitment" to be a problem
Is there any pokemon PC gender rule? As far as I can tell SSBB pokemon besides Lucario and Jiggz could potentially be male or female and people sort of assign their pokemon specific genders. Of course we can't have anatomically detailed pokemon walking around, lol.
I don't know pokemon games.
Could I say my Squirtle and Charizard are female and my Ivysaur's male?
I don't know pokemon games.
Could I say my Squirtle and Charizard are female and my Ivysaur's male?
That's pretty much how things work around here.
It helps, but you can't slow it down much (so it's still easy to react to), and any dash movement forward has Charizard puts his neck straight down and forward. If not for that, he'd have one of the best approaches in the game, I'd say, but, as it is, it pretty much means that you're forced to make yourself vulnerable way before you get to the opponent at any given time.
Maybe we should look into slowing down the pivot and any potential use of jumping out of pivot.
There's nothing wrong with having to dash around; the problem is how vulnerable he makes himself when he does it, so even though it's very efficient for movement and he has good options out of it, it's still not a very good approach option. He has difficulty pressuring people with it.
I don't see how the extra jump would help with approaches at all. I don't think jumping after an attack would make us any less vulnerable than we already were.
RAR'd retreating B-Air and Flamethrower are our only somewhat-reliable options as it is, I think. Feel free to elaborate on any other ideas if you have them.
EDIT: I guess we could pretend we're Dedede for one jump and either fastfall airdodge or double-jump D-Air.
RAR'd retreating B-Air and Flamethrower are our only somewhat-reliable options as it is, I think. Feel free to elaborate on any other ideas if you have them.
EDIT: I guess we could pretend we're Dedede for one jump and either fastfall airdodge or double-jump D-Air.
And that would get Char in the air, which is bad :/ .
I was thinking RAR tipper Bair>jump back>reverse flamethrower/rocksmash. And maybe use the extra jump as a mix-up to bait an action then punish with FF Nair or Bair.
/brainstorming
I was thinking RAR tipper Bair>jump back>reverse flamethrower/rocksmash. And maybe use the extra jump as a mix-up to bait an action then punish with FF Nair or Bair.
/brainstorming
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Speaking of Charizard, I sometimes think he has more than 2 mid-air jumps. Which gets me killed at times. ;__;
I wish he did have at least 3 mid-air jumps, other fliers have at least 3 -__-
I wish he did have at least 3 mid-air jumps, other fliers have at least 3 -__-
Grizzlpaw
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RAR'd Nair --> Grab seems plausible as an option.
Ninja'd
Ninja'd
Myollnir
Smash Ace
^I use this often, I really like to retreat the N-air also. 
And if the grab misses, facade-stepping!
And if the grab misses, facade-stepping!
Found a smart use of the dash turnaround stuff as Charizard. I now think using a tilt stick is probably best for PT overall.
I'll make a video sometime soon. It's nothing groundbreaking, but, it's smart and useful.
I'll make a video sometime soon. It's nothing groundbreaking, but, it's smart and useful.
Myollnir
Smash Ace
Something like using a tilt while sliding backwards?
Yeah. Run turnaround -> buffered turnaround D-Tilt is pretty cool against characters that aren't especially mobile.
Grizzlpaw
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Wait...
We can do that?
We can do that?
It's only because I played a lot of NBA Jam growing up, but, I'm digging this design--
peeup
Smash Lord
Pretty sure thats just the move curse. And eggs.
Arceus also has a color/sprite for the ???-type, but you can't access it through non-hacking means.
You pokemon players know your stuff. Knowledgeable I'm not but resourceful I am http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/???_(type)