Why dont people like playing with items?

[PKSkyler]

if items appeared in a less "lucky" way (hammer appears next to a guy.He gets it.) and they gave less advantage then they would be ok in 1 on 1 maybe(only like 4 items on low probably tho lol)

I only play items when im messing around with my friends in a free for all, etc.

 

[star214wolf]

i hate items cuzz u can mainly rely on them and they can cheat u out of a match

 

[stratele]

I hate them cause you cant really do much about them when they use em! Like that vertical rocket launcher thing. Or the fan!

I always turn items off. BUT... if the other guy has them on and items do appear. Then I will use them. If they use them then I will. Seek revenge. Taste of their own medicine.

 

[GI Josh]

Items= no skill/ all luck-based

 

[Greenstreet]

i just reckon that they change the game from a game of skill too much. sureucud say that using items is a skill but sometimes all they good items will always land near the opponnent.
plus the whole thing we emphasise in character discussions is mtachups and items kinda throw it out alot...
soi dunno
wateva floats ur boat

 

[infinityRED]

I like items because I like to have fun.

 

[Smash_Girl]

can be won easily with them
that's why I dislike the items

 

[gantrain05]

actually shouldn't this thread not even be on the boards, seeing as these are forums for competetive smash only, and items are never allowed soooo....

 

[brod1986]

I think that items are fine but they have there place.
1 on 1 battles to decide the fate of the universe and fudes between friends shouldnt have items, cuz a noob can win if the right items come up agains a pro.
However, i think that by allways playing without items we are getting away from what brawl is all about, mayhem. I think that's what nintendo were aiming for, something that anyone can pick up and play and have a good laugh at. What are your thoughs?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

After messing around, I find it amazing how unbalanced the items are. A Soccer Ball launched by Link's ftilt should not do more knockback than the Falcon Punch. That item is ridiculous.

 

[SpudUK]

Alot easier to win with luck with items, so its usually better without them. Could do with more Smash Balls though. :D

 

[Atsu]

I don't mind items during friendlies. It adds a new level of fun as long as only some items are on. Definitely hate it when all items are on high.

Like if you play with X, I'm fine. If you play with X, Y, Z, I'm fine. But if you play with the whole alphabet and then some, I'm out of there!

It's also nice to use them with people that don't really play the game (friends, family, etc). It sorta evens out the playing field so the maximum amount of fun can be achieved.

Don't get me wrong though, I prefer 0% items at all times. I'm not someone that'll go "Real Men Use Items" or w/e they say nowadays. But I'm also not one that will go /wrist because a couple items are on.

 

[Tangy]

You don't bring a gun to a boxing match

 

[CalebSitton]

the items add stetegic value but they are cheap.

an example to people who battle with them all the time:ouch:

 

[TheBrokenDoll]

I enjoy items myself. The "Final Smash" is a bit overdoing it, in my opinion.

It's more serious without them, though. .
I guess.

 

[Devilman]

I like them for having fun, but for when we brawl more seriously, we turn them off.

 

[Shadow64]

Because items are no fun.

 

[TYGA]

I don't understand why people hate items so much? It tests your skill in random situations. It's unpredictable, and you've got to be fast on your feet to think of whether you should go for some items, or lead someone into a trap, etc.

 

[SothE700k]

When we decide to just have a screw around fest or aim to get some really cool pictures, we have the items on.
Otherwise, I love how people assume "i'm better than you, I beat you all the time because a bomb lands right next to you and you smash it to your death"

 

[JigglyZelda003]

When we decide to just have a screw around fest or aim to get some really cool pictures, we have the items on.
Otherwise, I love how people assume "i'm better than you, I beat you all the time because a bomb lands right next to you and you smash it to your death"

now this is a QFT

you turn the items off and their at your mercy, cause theres no random bomb or insta bat to save them from you lol.

 

[Megavitamins]

Why is this in Online discussion?

 

[Sosuke]

Why is this in Online discussion?

Because this is Brawl buddy.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Items seem to luck involved, and draw too much commotion to the game itself. You should only have to worry about the enemy and/or competition. Not all this other stuff. Like where a Sensor Bomb could be, or where there is a Bob-Bomb roaming around to.

 

[Peck]

One reason I dont like using items is that in Sudden Death with items on Bombchus will fall.

 

[Giga Hand]

Items = random.
Random = funny.
Funny = happy.

Seriously, why are you guys so obsessed with winning? Okay, in tournaments, you play to win. In friendlies, you play to have fun. So put the items you like on in friendlies.

 

[NEMP]

I really don't understand you guys...

Items were a core element since SSB64.
So they are now.
Sure, items appear randomly and sometimes it seems, they only give advantages to your opponent, but that's just not true.
A game is something that should amuse you.
Most non video games involve a dice. WOAH a dice is so random, let's play Monopoly without it!!!! Even most strategic tabletop games involve dices and nobody claims that rolling a dice is noobish.
You see what I mean? Sure some items are just overpowered: Smash Ball, Dragoon, Golden Hammer and the strong healing items.
But we take a look at the normal hammer. It's incredibly strong, but when picking it up you are a great target for every other item. You have only 1 jump and are pretty limited in movement. One smash while picking up the hammer and you're done. You are a playball which can easily be knocked from the stage.

But all other items can be dodged or blocked or catched. They aren't a real problem.
Randomness is always fair, because both sides get the same advantage of it on an avarage.
It's nothing for competitive play.
But competitive play transforms a game to a sport.
So please stop whinning when you lost a game due to some unlucky item!

Me myself, is a fan of playing without items, when you try to get better at a certain character, but in general brawl it is ok to play with items. Yeah I do hate some items as already mentioned! Stage hazards are also random and often predictable (paradoxon), so a good player knows them and is able to evade them.

I just wish you all some nice brawls or melees and quit being so *****y about items and hazards. It's part of the game and if you don't like it: how about another game ^^

Have fun!
Nemp

 

[Master Xanthan]

Like most people have already said, items are cheap and thats why I don't use them often. I never use items when I'm practicing for a tourney. But when I'm playing for fun I use a few items sometimes.

 

[JJR.O.B.]

Items=no skill at all
which means no items

 

[whiteolimar]

There ok but I don't love them.

 

[F3ma Ch33f]

Items are only fun when you have a bunch of friends over and you're doing 4 man FFA in 1 on 1 items fail.

 

[Kitamerby]

Items are only fun when you have a bunch of friends over and you're doing 4 man FFA in 1 on 1 items fail.

Actually, that's not completely true.

Items are for when you literally just plain want to mess around and have fun no matter how many people there are.

Items, however, are not for competition.

Honestly, I love stealing myself a good Smart Bomb or two whenever possible. :D

 

[_Tiamat_]

I don't understand why people hate items so much? It tests your skill in random situations. It's unpredictable, and you've got to be fast on your feet to think of whether you should go for some items, or lead someone into a trap, etc.

Most of the characters I use are slow and for some reason, whenever someone want to challenge me with items, the player use a fast runner, so I'm never getting anything I want unless it apear in a really small range around me. Playing with items put most of my characters at dissadvantage.

Last item match I had was vs a Toon Link (also helps a bunch since he is great at breaking smashballs and his FS is good)

But really, when someone turn items on I'll just go to Captain Falcon or Sonic if needed.

 

[JuniorToons]

Items are fun for playing non serious matches, but if you are playing a serious match, then I would too perfer no items. It's just a test of skill without items there to aid you.

 

[woopyfrood]

Any dope can pick up an item, but it takes real skill to make your opponent FAIL at using them...

 

[Roihu]

I really don't understand you guys...

Items were a core element since SSB64.
So they are now.
Sure, items appear randomly and sometimes it seems, they only give advantages to your opponent, but that's just not true.
A game is something that should amuse you.
Most non video games involve a dice. WOAH a dice is so random, let's play Monopoly without it!!!! Even most strategic tabletop games involve dices and nobody claims that rolling a dice is noobish.
You see what I mean? Sure some items are just overpowered: Smash Ball, Dragoon, Golden Hammer and the strong healing items.
But we take a look at the normal hammer. It's incredibly strong, but when picking it up you are a great target for every other item. You have only 1 jump and are pretty limited in movement. One smash while picking up the hammer and you're done. You are a playball which can easily be knocked from the stage.

But all other items can be dodged or blocked or catched. They aren't a real problem.
Randomness is always fair, because both sides get the same advantage of it on an avarage.
It's nothing for competitive play.
But competitive play transforms a game to a sport.
So please stop whinning when you lost a game due to some unlucky item!

Me myself, is a fan of playing without items, when you try to get better at a certain character, but in general brawl it is ok to play with items. Yeah I do hate some items as already mentioned! Stage hazards are also random and often predictable (paradoxon), so a good player knows them and is able to evade them.

I just wish you all some nice brawls or melees and quit being so *****y about items and hazards. It's part of the game and if you don't like it: how about another game ^^

Have fun!
Nemp

This definitely wins the topic. Except sometimes they pick up items at the worst times and are unavoidable.

 

[Pokemon Mystery]

Times like when you recover then a Bomb-Omb comes and blows up when you land.And Home-Run bat and Smashballs are the cheapest.

 

[Smash_Gigas]

I only use Items With Anyone. I can tick people off with 'em, and nobody knows who I am. XD *Grabs Fan and spams*

With 1v1s with my buddies, they're burdensome... and rather annoying, hindering our match of skill. Items in Basic Brawl only, plz.

 

[Meadow]

Mainly because most items are ridiculously overpowered...some items are just plain useless though, so I guess it balances out a bit. But it always makes you angry whenever you get hit with a fan 500 times, or you get hit by a bumper thrown at you, getting hit repeatedly by someone's Home Run Bat they just threw, getting your Bob-Omb reflected back at you when you try to throw it, or throwing a Smart Bomb too close and hitting your opponent AND yourself...the Ray Gun, in my opinion, seems to have been the item that has been buffed up the most. No longer can you dodge the blasts between each blast, now you can keep getting shot until you get hit off the side of the screen.

Mr. Saturn, Smoke Balls, Springs, those are items that amusing and fun top lay with sometimes, but overall, I'd rather keep the items off in a match.