Why do people frown upon the gaming community?

[Firus]

There is a difference between ignoring/taking it and dealing with it. I don't condone bullying or think its right in any fashion, but it will not go away and people need to find a way to deal with it. That can be anything from a hobby, to punching the bully square in the nose.

Most of the time, when people say "deal with it", they generally mean "get over it". I assumed you meant the same.

And I believe video gaming IS a hobby, and a legitimate one at that. So getting a hobby doesn't help.
And a lot of the kinds of people who get bullied (me included) could probably punch said bully in the nose and a) Not accomplish anything, as they're not strong enough to faze the bully, or b) get in trouble for doing so, regardless of how much it hurts. Bullying, believe it or not, isn't that easy to deal with. I know from experience.

Just because there are a lot of wii fail games and more casual games does not mean that really good games are gone or by any means diminishing, there is just a lot more crap to sort through thats all. The majority of games have changed (for the worse I might add) but that doesn't mean the amount of really good games is decreasing in number, just percentage. I'll also add that expectations of new gamers are also lower as well, because of the majority of crap games.

Name 10 really good games on the Wii.
I can name two; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. No, I wouldn't count Brawl. Even if you do, there's three.

Now name 10 really good games on the GameCube.
Melee, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Soul Calibur 2, Pokemon Colosseum, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Star Fox Assault, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, and Sonic Mega Collection.

Or 10 really good games on the N64.
Star Wars Episode 1 Podracer, Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Donkey Kong 64, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64, Smash Bros, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Majora's Mask.

Or 10 really good games on the SNES.
Super Metroid, ALttP, DKC, DKC2, Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Kirby Super Star, Earthbound, Star Fox.

See my point?

I also agree that ALTTP is art because it so happens to be my favorite game. Funny you should mention it. I also agree that super metroid is also awesome but I would have to say that I still enjoy playing metroid II on the old grey brick more.

Well, as a Metroid fan I'd have to say Super Metroid > All, but that's just my opinion.

I also never said you couldn't post on a forum about this either, and I'm all for discussion or I wouldn't be here. What I was getting at was that you said you were trying to make it a recognizable art form. I agree with you that it should be and is already on some levels. But since my underlying sarcasm wasn't loud enough let me try again.

::Sarcasticly:: "As far as I can tell posting on a "video game" forum is not getting video games recognized as an art form,...." As in if its so important to you what exaclty ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?

Believe it or not, I'm not an ape. I got that. That's what I was replying to. (By the way, that's not technically sarcasm, that would mean you meant the opposite of what you said. If you had said "Oh, and posting about it here is getting so much done." it would've been sarcasm.)

By saying that posting about it here wasn't getting anything done about it it implied that it's useless to post it here.

What am I doing? Well I'm not protesting it publicly, but I am standing up for the right to be a geek and I'm not changing myself for society. It's not much, but it's more of a start than some. I wear my geekiness as a badge of honor.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER ACCEPT ANYTHING BAD OR WRONG, THEY SHOULD DEAL WITH IT. Maybe the meaning of that phrase has changed since you keep misunderstanding what I'm saying with this whole "complaining" crap, so once again lets try it one more time.

CONFRONT THE PROBLEM

It hasn't changed, there are multiple definitions. Most people use "deal with it" as "get over it", and I assumed you were doing the same.

You say you want people to leave you alone, but yet you turn around and say that your trying to change the way video games are seen. You can't do both because if you were trying then people would constantly be making fun of your cause and "figuratively persecuting" you and you would constantly have to defend your case, which is not being left alone. If you were left alone then, well you wouldn't be doing anything at all, because that what left alone means. If you are not solving the problem then you are fueling the stereotypes that other kids suffer for. Please explain which one you are since I'm so ignorant.

You're **** straight you're ignorant. This whole section is laughably stupid.

I'm trying to change the way games are seen, so as a result people leave me, and other geeks, alone. I can do both quite easily. The only way I'll get people to leave me alone at this point is if I were to stop playing video games, become a jock, and...basically conform. Not trying to change video games wouldn't get me left alone.

 

[Black Waltz]

Of course politics use games such as GTA to get the Neighborhood Soccer Mom committee up in arms about violent video games. Hilary Clinton you music labeling *****.

Isn't it Tipper Gore who is the music labeling *****?

 

[Darkslash]

This thread has been Pwned by Firusthevideogamegodhedgehog.

So yesterday we had to make a rant and lol i was first.I finally did it. I established the fact that im a Nintendo Fan. And Proud of it. I yelled at the top of my Lungs THAT ITS A GODDAM TUNIC NOT A SKIRT A TUNIC.

Back on topic

No more Heroes was a good game on the Wii so i think you can count 4.

 

[Devil7]

I never said bullying was easy to deal with, and I was going for more of a "each situation is unique and requires a unique solution because everyone is different." And your right maybe I should have said another hobby, as in having two, gaming and something else. I have several hobbies that I activly persue including video games.

And if you only count nintendo games then your limiting yourself in the art form, there are plenty of awesome games on other consoles and the PC. Just because in one generation this systems chokes and doesn't releases as many good games that doesn't mean another consoles won't realease more awesome games.

I meant during the action not as a result of trying. I know the goal of trying and wearing your geekiness as a badge of honor is to get the stereotypes changed in the end and thus have every gamer be left alone. But by wearing your badge right now you do not get left alone right now. And you could just hole up and become a complete introvert, which is what people usually do if they want to be left alone now without dealing with it.

And Super Mario RPG counts as two games, it was that good.

And most of the games you listed we not released until several years after the system was out. The wii is still young compairitivly, give it a year or two. I also think No more heroes was awesome, as well as DBZBT3, but thats because i'm a DBZ fan and its the best DBZ fighter to date, however it still really good fighting game. Also the new mario cart game is really good as long as you don't use the wiimote. Residental Evil 4 wii is in my opinion better than the other three releases and is freaking awesome, House of the dead 2 & 3 are awesome classic arcade shooters and both are pure killing fun.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I blame the internet.

 

[.Marik]

Firust, your posts are kinda.... long. xD

But still, you win 10 Internets.

 

[Firus]

I never said bullying was easy to deal with, and I was going for more of a "each situation is unique and requires a unique solution because everyone is different." And your right maybe I should have said another hobby, as in having two, gaming and something else. I have several hobbies that I activly persue including video games.

Getting a hobby or just punching a bully in the nose are the two options you advised. I'd say both are way too simple to possibly solve the problem, and you implied that they would be.
You act as if if people just shut up and put 5 seconds into it, it'll go away. It won't. So why do you act as if there's no reason to complain?

And getting another hobby won't help. If someone's making fun of you for liking something, are they going to say "Oh, well they like this AND that, I'll stop now." Besides, getting a hobby to stop bullying is still changing who you are. If you can't find another hobby you shouldn't have to just to rid of it.

And if you only count nintendo games then your limiting yourself in the art form, there are plenty of awesome games on other consoles and the PC. Just because in one generation this systems chokes and doesn't releases as many good games that doesn't mean another consoles won't realease more awesome games.

As I stated before, Nintendo has gone to the casuals and Sony and Microsoft deal pretty much in FPS's.
By the way, if this trend doesn't continue forever for Nintendo, I'd be shocked. They've made an ***load of money off of the Wii, do you think they'd really change their approach?

I meant during the action not as a result of trying. I know the goal of trying and wearing your geekiness as a badge of honor is to get the stereotypes changed in the end and thus have every gamer be left alone. But by wearing your badge right now you do not get left alone right now. And you could just hole up and become a complete introvert, which is what people usually do if they want to be left alone now without dealing with it.

I pretty much am an introvert by nature, and pretty much always have been. I'm generally pretty socially awkward. But I've always been that way, and that didn't stop that from happening, did it?

Also, NO **** IT WON'T STOP NOW. You're the one that keeps telling me you have to deal with things. Rome wasn't built in a day, so obviously I'm going to be not left alone by jerks until stereotypes alter (not that I'm bothered much anymore). You're like...nitpicking. And you're doing it wrong.

And Super Mario RPG counts as two games, it was that good.

Super Metroid counts as ten.

Spoiler

No joke. It is possibly the best game EVER.

And most of the games you listed we not released until several years after the system was out. The wii is still young compairitivly, give it a year or two. I also think No more heroes was awesome, as well as DBZBT3, but thats because i'm a DBZ fan and its the best DBZ fighter to date, however it still really good fighting game. Also the new mario cart game is really good as long as you don't use the wiimote. Residental Evil 4 wii is in my opinion better than the other three releases and is freaking awesome, House of the dead 2 & 3 are awesome classic arcade shooters and both are pure killing fun.

Mario Kart Wii is just about a clone of the past two ones except this time around it has Motion Sensor, bikes, and Baby Daisy. Doesn't really count in my book.
Pretty much every Mario spinoff is a ripoff of the last one with some new gimmick added in after the first one. This generation they used the same gimmick for all of them; motion sensor.

Same as RE4, it was originally for last generation, it just got bumped up with motion sensor controls. It does not count as a new game.

I figured you'd bring up the point that it's early in the Wii's lifespan. Look at the NES, it launched with two great games (possibly more, but I think SMB and Duck Hunt are unanimously considered great). SNES launched with Super Mario World and F-Zero. A Link to the Past came less than a year later, Mario Paint a year later. Star Fox, Super Mario All-Stars and Super Mario Kart were released in '93, two years after release. N64 launched with a title considered the best ever by some; Super Mario 64. Another game considered the greatest by some was released two years into its lifespan, Ocarina of Time. Another one released two years into it was Banjo Kazooie. Star Fox 64 a year after.

They had a good number of great games early in their lifespans.

Hell, not to mention the GameCube.

It had a lack of good launch titles, but we got Animal Crossing, Wind Waker, F-Zero GX, Metroid Prime, Pikmin, Pokemon Colosseum, Soul Calibur 2, Super Mario Sunshine, Melee, and Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes. There, 10 games all within about 2 years of release of the console (it's been about that much time since the Wii's release, and the only game I see with potential in the upcoming months is Animal Crossing. I'd be surprised if it lives up to expectations though.)

I realize I contradicted myself by including Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle in my GameCube list then telling you remakes don't count, but there are ten titles here so the problem is solved. (Although those two games have a more viable reason for getting remade than a game that was just last gen and was on GameCube already.)

Firus, your posts are kinda.... long. xD

But still, you win 10 Internets.

What's wrong with long posts?
I pride myself on long, thought-out posts. If it takes me over 9000 words to make my point, so be it. As long as no one tells me tl;dr...

But thanks.

 

[Bowser King]

Name 10 really good games on the Wii.
I can name two; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. No, I wouldn't count Brawl. Even if you do, there's three.

Now name 10 really good games on the GameCube.
Melee, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Soul Calibur 2, Pokemon Colosseum, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Star Fox Assault, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, and Sonic Mega Collection.

Or 10 really good games on the N64.
Star Wars Episode 1 Podracer, Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Donkey Kong 64, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64, Smash Bros, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Majora's Mask.

Or 10 really good games on the SNES.
Super Metroid, ALttP, DKC, DKC2, Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Kirby Super Star, Earthbound, Star Fox.

See my point?

Maybe your forgetting.....FE:RD, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Super Mario Galaxy (even if it was way to easy, I love running around worlds and jumping from planet to planet), Mario Kart wii( as annoying as it is for people in 3rd place up, it's still great), Super Mario Strikers and Super Mario Sluggers (before you say these 2 suck, IMO there a lot better then Pokemon Stadium and poderacer). All I'm saying is there are more then 3 and there are 3-4 more underrated/great games coming out (Wario World and AC:CF are both good examples).

As for the other systems.....MK 64> podracer and Sonic adventures 2 :battle and mega collections don't really count as there only remakes. If we count remakes, wii own all (a.k.a VC). So in place we could put Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion (highly underrated) or AC.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

I once read a news story about drunk teenagers killing a kid by playing Mortal Kombat in real life.


E.T. for the Atari 2600.

 

[Bowser King]

I once read a news story about drunk teenagers killing a kid by playing Mortal Kombat in real life.


E.T. for the Atari 2600.

I heard similar stories but it was due to playing RE4

 

[Firus]

Maybe your forgetting.....FE:RD, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Super Mario Galaxy (even if it was way to easy, I love running around worlds and jumping from planet to planet), Mario Kart wii( as annoying as it is for people in 3rd place up, it's still great), Super Mario Strikers and Super Mario Sluggers (before you say these 2 suck, IMO there a lot better then Pokemon Stadium and poderacer). All I'm saying is there are more then 3 and there are 3-4 more underrated/great games coming out (Wario World and AC:CF are both good examples).

As for the other systems.....MK 64> podracer and Sonic adventures 2 :battle and mega collections don't really count as there only remakes. If we count remakes, wii own all (a.k.a VC). So in place we could put Sunshine and Luigi's Mansion (highly underrated) or AC.

I'll give you FE and No More Heroes. I wouldn't give you anything else, Mario spinoffs are getting way too milked.

And I was just listing games off the top of my head, MK 64 may very well be better than Pod Racer (although I don't own it and I loved Pod Racer, so I can't really make that assumption nor would I want to), so fine, that adds onto the list.

And read my last post about SA2 and MC.
And VC isn't remakes, it's the actual game ported. There's nothing added.

In any case, the "great" games of the Wii are not up to par with the true greats such as Super Metroid, A Link to the Past, SMW, Pokemon Red/Blue, Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong 64, etc. Even the game I consider best on the console (Metroid Prime 3) is relatively easy even on harder difficulty settings. Not to mention that ending. I mean, how much more cliched can you get than "Oh no, we lost contact...wait, there she is, she's okay!"

 

[Neon Ness]

Even the game I consider best on the console (Metroid Prime 3) is relatively easy even on harder difficulty settings. Not to mention that ending. I mean, how much more cliched can you get than "Oh no, we lost contact...wait, there she is, she's okay!"

Aw, man. I haven't beaten Metroid Prime 3 yet. There goes the ending...

Oh well.

 

[Firus]

Aw, man. I haven't beaten Metroid Prime 3 yet. There goes the ending...

Oh well.

Well, not entirely. I just spoiled the cliched part that would've disappointed you in the first place.
But sorry anyways.

 

[Chis]

What's with all the SMG hate? Everyone knows it's the best game of 2007 and the best game on the Wii.



My next post will be more relevant to the topic...

 

[Firus]

What's with all the SMG hate? Everyone knows it's the best game of 2007 and the best game on the Wii.

My next post will be more relevant to the topic...

No, it's not...

I hated the game. Loved Sunshine and 64 but hated Galaxy, it was easy and unenjoyable otherwise as well.

And you bring up a good point. Since when is the casualness of the Wii the topic? Once we established that it's not going to fix the stereotypes about gamers, it stopped being important here.

 

[Bowser King]

I'll give you FE and No More Heroes. I wouldn't give you anything else, Mario spinoffs are getting way too milked.

And I was just listing games off the top of my head, MK 64 may very well be better than Pod Racer (although I don't own it and I loved Pod Racer, so I can't really make that assumption nor would I want to), so fine, that adds onto the list.

And read my last post about SA2 and MC.
And VC isn't remakes, it's the actual game ported. There's nothing added.

In any case, the "great" games of the Wii are not up to par with the true greats such as Super Metroid, A Link to the Past, SMW, Pokemon Red/Blue, Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong 64, etc. Even the game I consider best on the console (Metroid Prime 3) is relatively easy even on harder difficulty settings. Not to mention that ending. I mean, how much more cliched can you get than "Oh no, we lost contact...wait, there she is, she's okay!"

Actually SMS has changed a lot from the last. You also ignored Wario Land and Zack and wiki. These games may not count for you but they are in fact great games.


sorry about that
Some games has improved graphics but ,like you said, nothing else. Still, the idea of having almost every nintendo game (and others, including sega) is still amazing.

Games may be getting eaiser but that doesn't mean they are terrible. Most of the games I have said may be easy but that doesn't change that there fun. Yes the wii needs to start making harder games and I agree with that complaint but the idea of them not being good games because there easy is.....strange.

 

[alchfilosofer]

Name 10 really good games on the Wii.
I can name two; The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. No, I wouldn't count Brawl. Even if you do, there's three.

Now name 10 really good games on the GameCube.
Melee, Wind Waker, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Soul Calibur 2, Pokemon Colosseum, Sonic Adventure 2: Battle, Star Fox Assault, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, and Sonic Mega Collection.

Or 10 really good games on the N64.
Star Wars Episode 1 Podracer, Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap, Donkey Kong 64, Paper Mario, Star Fox 64, Smash Bros, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario 64, Majora's Mask.

Or 10 really good games on the SNES.
Super Metroid, ALttP, DKC, DKC2, Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG, Chrono Trigger, Kirby Super Star, Earthbound, Star Fox.

See my point?

Need Moar super paper mario for Wii.
Moar Paper Mario: Thousan years door, Tales of symphonia, baten kaitos...
Need moar Jet force Gemini, Golden Eye 007 *Insert Rare Game*
And FAR more FE4, FE5, Secret of mana, Tales of phantasia, Seikendesetsu3 (AKA secret of mana 2), Yoshi's island... (I know, many MANY amazing SNES games never touched ametica ; ( ).

Anyway, a remake of FE4 (FAR FAR best FE game EVER. Far best tactical game ever. Far best RPG_Like game EVER. Far FAR best medieval story ever) could probably be the best thing nintendo can do

 

[Firus]

I've never played Zack and Wiki, and Wario Land isn't out yet and doesn't sound promising. Super Paper Mario fails compared to the other two Paper Marios, what's the point of Paper Mario if it's not an RPG? Then we just have a different type of Mario.

And I know I missed games for other consoles. I was listing off 10 games off the top of my head. There are surely other great games.

For me, easy generally is not fun. I enjoy a challenge. I don't want to breeze through a game in 5 hours and then be bored of it and never play it again.

And once again, this doesn't really apply here.

 

[alchfilosofer]

Agreed, SPM is not as good as the other 2 paper mario. But the geek quiz and romance simulation is worth a place, don´t you agree?

 

[Neon Ness]

Agreed, SPM is not as good as the other 2 paper mario. But the geek quiz and romance simulation is worth a place, don´t you agree?

YES. As soon as I played through those parts, I knew the game was going to turn out legendary... And the fact that they included a chapter where Mario sees what Heaven and Hell look like... left me speechless.

Oh yeah, the old-school RPG boss battle at the end of the Underwhere was great times.

...Er, sorry. Off topic. Again. Have we, perhaps, exhausted the discussion?

 

[Devil7]

No, it's not...

I hated the game. Loved Sunshine and 64 but hated Galaxy, it was easy and unenjoyable otherwise as well.

And you bring up a good point. Since when is the casualness of the Wii the topic? Once we established that it's not going to fix the stereotypes about gamers, it stopped being important here.

I would definently agree with you here SMG is not that great. I actually didn't think sunshine was that fun either, but I would say thats more of a personal preference rather than a "good game issue". However Super mario 64 I would classify as revolutionary compaired to almost every game.

 

[GreenKirby]

Oh my science, does every topic in the Light House NEED to become a 'Nintendo caters to casuals' topic?

 

[Chis]

Oh my science, does every topic in the Light House NEED to become a 'Nintendo caters to casuals' topic?

This.

SMG has very high/ perfect scored reviews from professionals in ALL medias. Multiple gaming programmes/ websites/ magazines. It is the undisputed best game in 2007 and probably the Wii so far. It may be easy (120 stars in 5 days) but it's fun while it lasts. And why is everyone so off topic? Why are people still talking about this after 2 years since the Wii remote was unveiled? Here I was going to make a significant contribution then I see this...

 

[Devil7]

This.

SMG has very high/ perfect scored reviews from professionals in ALL medias. Multiple gaming programmes/ websites/ magazines. It is the undisputed best game in 2007 and probably the Wii so far. It may be easy (120 stars in 5 days) but it's fun while it lasts. And why is everyone so off topic? Why are people still talking about this after 2 years since the Wii remote was unveiled? Here I was going to make a significant contribution then I see this...

Your right this has gone way off topic, Sorry.

I believe that in societies eyes gaming is still seen as a toy for kids even though the average gamer age is still increasing, it was like 23 last I checked. I may also be partly due to the whole "your a guy you need to by physically fit, not skinny and weak". However this doesn't hold true for all gamers who still recieve hell for what they do. I consider my self fit, mostly because my job requires it, but my (co-workers??? if you can call them that) still give me a hard time about my hobbies, (games, MTG, Clix games).

 

[Firus]

This.

SMG has very high/ perfect scored reviews from professionals in ALL medias. Multiple gaming programmes/ websites/ magazines. It is the undisputed best game in 2007 and probably the Wii so far. It may be easy (120 stars in 5 days) but it's fun while it lasts. And why is everyone so off topic? Why are people still talking about this after 2 years since the Wii remote was unveiled? Here I was going to make a significant contribution then I see this...

News Flash: Reviewers also gave Brawl 9.0 and higher. It will probably be the game of the year '08.

It is not undisputed, because surprisingly enough I don't give a crap what reviewers say, I hated the game and would give it an 8.0 at best. The game magazines nominated it as such, but I strongly disagree. Plus, I'm still pissed that it won over Metroid Prime 3. It was much more deserving. At least it took some skill and more than five days of playing to beat.
And I'm usually a big fan of platformers, and again, I loved the previous two games. It felt so...bland. Boring. And don't even get me started on music, I know many people rave about it but there was something completely epicless and...Disney movie-ish about it. It didn't feel like video game music, and I happen to love video game music. It felt too orchestrated and...ugh.

tl;dr? I hated the game in just about every aspect.

I ought to sell it, really...I could probably still get a good half of what I paid for it, and I probably won't play it again. That'd be the second game I sell...

You're right, it's off-topic now. That's attributable to the fact that the argument was relevant at first (as a "If games are casual people will get less crap for it" argument) but now it's bubbled down to arguing about whether games are actually going casual since we settled the first argument. Let's end it right here.

 

[The Executive]

Brawl was/is a letdown but I wouldn't go so far as to say I wouldn't PLAY it. It's a valuable tool to help people who don't play Smash transition into Melee, provided you play your cards right.

 

[Firus]

Brawl was/is a letdown but I wouldn't go so far as to say I wouldn't PLAY it. It's a valuable tool to help people who don't play Smash transition into Melee, provided you play your cards right.

Look at my avatar and Location.
Enough said.

Well, plus a little more.

I'll play Brawl on occasion, but I wouldn't consider it a great game for Wii.

 

[Bowser King]

I think you guys should get back on topic. This isn't a melee vs brawl thread or the wii is to casual thread.
We already have enough of those >_>

 

[Devil7]

I found this searching the web on a site that has an article researching the definitions of nerd, geek, and dork.


................ Technical ...... Social
Title ............ Skills ......... Skills
---------- ---------------- ------------
Normie ......... No ............. Yes
Geek ........... Yes ............. Yes
Nerd ............ Yes ............. No
Dork ............ No .............. No


Ha, this just proves that Geeks are better than everyone.

Thats why they hate us, because we are superior to them in every way.

 

[4Serial]

Because they are ignorant. Forget about theme. They can sit all day and type and hate for no reason while we go out to tournaments to socialize, meet new people, and have fun. It's a good hobby, and there are so much worse things that you could be doing.

 

[Devil7]

Because they are ignorant. Forget about theme. They can sit all day and type and hate for no reason while we go out to tournaments to socialize, meet new people, and have fun. It's a good hobby, and there are so much worse things that you could be doing.

While most of this is true, not all gamers go to tourneys and/or socialize. And as discussed before it is sometimes difficult to forget about as most do more than just type and hate. Many kids suffer from bullies, and social ostracism because of this.

 

[rockman2k1]

Cause Grand Theft Auto kills their kids!

 

[Oracle]

The media portrays videogames as evil machines that force children to do bad things, when in reality it's the parent's fault for LETTING THE KID PLAY GRAND THEFT AUTO AND NOT TEACHING HIM THAT IT'S BAD TO SHOOT PEOPLE.

 

[Bowser King]

The media portrays videogames as evil machines that force children to do bad things, when in reality it's the parent's fault for LETTING THE KID PLAY GRAND THEFT AUTO AND NOT TEACHING HIM THAT IT'S BAD TO SHOOT PEOPLE.

I hate bad parents. There have been many occasions when I see parents who buy M rated games for there kids and not even know there violent. When there child begins to curse, it's the kids in the schools fault -_-

 

[Chis]

Cause Grand Theft Auto kills their kids!

Not really. Children grow, and as they grow they learn from experience, people and from the media. Their mind develop, learning right, wrong, what they like ect. Now look at the media, many television programmes display a lot of violence, one example being CSI. The same for films too. Now if that doesn't make people go out and kill other people why would video games, displayed in a unrealistic fashion, will?

Usually people who killed because of video games had strong psychological problems. So it was rather them slipping through the system rather then the game content that caused the problem.

Why would parents have concerns with video games yet trust them with the internet, which is the most influential media and where they have unlimited amounts of negative content?

 

[Devil7]

Not really. Children grow, and as they grow they learn from experience, people and from the media. Their mind develop, learning right, wrong, what they like ect. Now look at the media, many television programmes display a lot of violence, one example being CSI. The same for films too. Now if that doesn't make people go out and kill other people why would video games, displayed in a unrealistic fashion, will?

Usually people who killed because of video games had strong psychological problems. So it was rather them slipping through the system rather then the game content that caused the problem.

Why would parents have concerns with video games yet trust them with the internet, which is the most influential media and where they have unlimited amounts of negative content?

AMEN BROTHER CHIS, speak the truth.

I Think in this case video games are more of a scape goat than anything else.

 

[Firus]

Not really. Children grow, and as they grow they learn from experience, people and from the media. Their mind develop, learning right, wrong, what they like ect. Now look at the media, many television programmes display a lot of violence, one example being CSI. The same for films too. Now if that doesn't make people go out and kill other people why would video games, displayed in a unrealistic fashion, will?

Usually people who killed because of video games had strong psychological problems. So it was rather them slipping through the system rather then the game content that caused the problem.

Why would parents have concerns with video games yet trust them with the internet, which is the most influential media and where they have unlimited amounts of negative content?

AMEN BROTHER CHIS, speak the truth.

I Think in this case video games are more of a scape goat than anything else.

Agreed extremely with both of you, but I think, and I might be wrong, that rockman might've been sarcastic.
Either way, you're right.

 

[Devil7]

I'm pretty sure he was too.

Death by GTA, now that would be awesome.

Actually I was in w-mart yesterday and saw a mom buy her 9 or 10 year old son GTA 4.
I actually went up to the woman and expressed my concern as to why she would do such a thing. She responded with this. "There is nothing wrong with letting him play this game, and I don't appreciate you putting your nose in my buisness. I know how to raise my son, now shut up and get the f*** away from us."

 

[Creo]

Not really. Children grow, and as they grow they learn from experience, people and from the media. Their mind develop, learning right, wrong, what they like ect. Now look at the media, many television programmes display a lot of violence, one example being CSI. The same for films too. Now if that doesn't make people go out and kill other people why would video games, displayed in a unrealistic fashion, will?

Usually people who killed because of video games had strong psychological problems. So it was rather them slipping through the system rather then the game content that caused the problem.

Why would parents have concerns with video games yet trust them with the internet, which is the most influential media and where they have unlimited amounts of negative content?

Agreed. So much, actually, that I'll use this in some argument in the future.

I'm pretty sure he was too.

Death by GTA, now that would be awesome.

Actually I was in w-mart yesterday and saw a mom buy her 9 or 10 year old son GTA 4.
I actually went up to the woman and expressed my concern as to why she would do such a thing. She responded with this. "There is nothing wrong with letting him play this game, and I don't appreciate you putting your nose in my buisness. I know how to raise my son, now shut up and get the f*** away from us."

LOL! You must've felt dumb...or something. That's classic.
But really, I don't bother with people unless they ask for opinion or something. It(as you experienced)is usually a waste of time.

 

[Neon Ness]

I'm pretty sure he was too.

Death by GTA, now that would be awesome.

Actually I was in w-mart yesterday and saw a mom buy her 9 or 10 year old son GTA 4.
I actually went up to the woman and expressed my concern as to why she would do such a thing. She responded with this. "There is nothing wrong with letting him play this game, and I don't appreciate you putting your nose in my buisness. I know how to raise my son, now shut up and get the f*** away from us."

Dang, son. That is one angry momma.

You see, we try to help people out, trying to keep the bad stuff away from the kids, and this is the thanks we get.