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I always agree with FirustheHedgehog in every single thread I ever see he ever posts in ever.
I personally hate people who look down on us just because we do what we like. We do what's fun, what we prefer, and they tell us that it "rots our brains and promotes violence/cannibalism?" What the hell?!
Okay, perhaps you just know a lot of jerks that are also gamers. Most of the gamers I know are normal, nice people. A little quirky, yes, but not cocky as you so describe them. I am a gamer myself, and I'm not talking down to anyone. I usually leave people alone (I'm generally a pretty quiet person) and the only time I'm mean to someone is if they give me a reason to do so. A lot of people give me a reason to do so. You can't even begin to understand how much crap I've gotten throughout my life because I'm a geek.
Saying that "a lot" of gamers are cocky when you just happen to know a lot of cocky ones is hardly applicable. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as that would be a lie, but you say that like it's generally true for most gamers -- which is basically stereotyping.
I didn't say it was true for most gamers at all, and I knew someone was going to think I said that. I'll add though that I think just spending a day around video game related websites that a person would be plain delusional to think that gamers like the kind I described are a minority though, but that's actually not the point. I'm not here to paint a group of people as primarilly saints or terrible people worthy of being beaten up. I'm just throwing this out for some perspective, that not everyone who has a gripe against gamers is doing it because they're pretentious, malicious people and everyone is out to get the poor little gamer like a lot of threads like this one that I've seen time and time again seem to make it sound like whether they mean it or not. In other words, to level things out a bit.
If you're personally not like that, before I get a dozen responses of people defending themselves, I'm happy for you and I'm not going after you. Think of it as a general statment. Something to keep in mind if a person ever feels the temptation to start feeling like it's us against them because that bs just causes the whole thing to become a cyclical, self feeding problem. Some douchebag on side one is a jerk to someone on side two, who in turn gets it in their head that -everyone- on side one is evil and returns indiscriminate fire, repeat.
For the most part aside from that there isn't much to this topic I think. Some people are irrationally pretentious jerkoffs trying to be better than someone else out there. And some things seem like easier targets. But I think it wouldn't hurt to occasionally remind one self about that escalation I griped about up there.
While a lot of it is pretentiousness as I said, I do have to throw out there that it'd be a little self indulgant I think to say that negative stereotyping of gamers is completely because they're "different", or socially taboo...or other such reasons along those lines. I have to say in my experience that some of the most self-indulgant and just plain irritatingly cocky people I've ever met were self described "gamers". There are many people who follow this hobby who treat themselves like some wave of the future that silly everyone else just doesn't get, when in actuality it seems like many of them "get" them just fine. Elitist, delusional jerks.
Before someone tells me that exists everywhere in every one of the silly categories of human beings we make for ourselves., i know that. Why I'm bringing this up is because I think it's important for people to level a little with the situation when it comes to stereotyping. While there are a lot of the people who pick on any other niche because it's different, judgemental people who just want to one-up someone else using anything they can get for whatever reason, I think it's also important to note that many people arn't like that...but a lot of so called gamers don't exactly try to make themselves likable people for them either. That's another reason why a person may be driven to have a negative stereotype of another "type" of person. No one likes to be irrationally talked down to.
I agree with Firus. Just because stereotypes won't necessarily change easily doesn't mean I should just sit down and take it. I've heard my share of 'em... Not only concerning my gaming hobby, but my race ase well...
Well put Firus. You make excellent points in this discussion.
This is a great thread. I mean, really genuinely intelligent. I was getting tired of all the "New technique possibly? Watch my vid plz" and "OMG Meta Snake is sooo borken lololol" threads. It's too bad the people who do the stereotyping won't read this, though... Apparently, gaming message boards are for nerds only, in their eyes.
First of all; having every soccer mom in the country playing Wii Sports doesn't help our cause. Because those idiots are still not accepting of video games, just that...crap. If you've noticed, these stereotypes still haven't changed. Gamers are still nerds, geeks, whatever. REAL video games still get no respect, only WiiFAIL titles do.
In any case, I don't want gaming destroyed so idiots stop stereotyping. I'd rather have people stereotype and make fun of me for the rest of my life than have gaming destroyed.
And I hate your mentality here. "GAWSH, WE ALREDY KNO THIS." NO ****! THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GET PISSED BECAUSE I'M STEREOTYPED! This is the same exact type of crap you see when it comes to Smash Bros. "We can't change Brawl, stop complaining and play Melee" or "Sakurai made great games, thus you're not allowed to complain about his screw up." I don't care when it was discovered, I don't care if it can't change, the fact that I have been teased, and made fun of, and stereotyped my entire life for being geeky is NOT something I'm going to say "oh well" about.
That's not my anger. That's how I feel, honestly. Sports are more physical. Video games are more mental. There's only so much thought involved in hitting a ball and trying to catch it or tag a base with it. Solving intense puzzles in games like Zelda or Metroid takes skill and knowledge. Not saying sports don't, but video games certainly do, and the knowledge required is much more in video games if you ask me.
And I don't understand how 360 vision makes things different. If anything, that makes games harder because it's harder to turn and look at things behind you. For example, in a game like Metroid, there might be 8 Space Pirates that appear in the room you're in. Some of them appear in front of you, others to the sides, and others behind you. You've got to watch out for all of them and a screen doesn't give you as much space to do so.
Okay, perhaps you just know a lot of jerks that are also gamers. Most of the gamers I know are normal, nice people. A little quirky, yes, but not cocky as you so describe them. I am a gamer myself, and I'm not talking down to anyone. I usually leave people alone (I'm generally a pretty quiet person) and the only time I'm mean to someone is if they give me a reason to do so. A lot of people give me a reason to do so. You can't even begin to understand how much crap I've gotten throughout my life because I'm a geek.
Saying that "a lot" of gamers are cocky when you just happen to know a lot of cocky ones is hardly applicable. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as that would be a lie, but you say that like it's generally true for most gamers -- which is basically stereotyping.
this guy is awesome and gave me a great idea for a statement. ok well he says that it takes hours of practice everyday to be competitive, doesnt that remind anyone for sports. especially in the official leagues like NFL and NBA. They also practice hours everyday to keep up their game but just cause its a physical sport, apparently its 100 times cooler then competitive gaming. When you go to gaming touraments, dont you see a ton of people and become friends with them, cant you just "practice" your social skills their?
First of all; having every soccer mom in the country playing Wii Sports doesn't help our cause. Because those idiots are still not accepting of video games, just that...crap. If you've noticed, these stereotypes still haven't changed. Gamers are still nerds, geeks, whatever. REAL video games still get no respect, only WiiFAIL titles do.
In any case, I don't want gaming destroyed so idiots stop stereotyping. I'd rather have people stereotype and make fun of me for the rest of my life than have gaming destroyed.
And I hate your mentality here. "GAWSH, WE ALREDY KNO THIS." NO ****! THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GET PISSED BECAUSE I'M STEREOTYPED! This is the same exact type of crap you see when it comes to Smash Bros. "We can't change Brawl, stop complaining and play Melee" or "Sakurai made great games, thus you're not allowed to complain about his screw up." I don't care when it was discovered, I don't care if it can't change, the fact that I have been teased, and made fun of, and stereotyped my entire life for being geeky is NOT something I'm going to say "oh well" about.
OK now your just being an idiot, first you say you would rather have games than stereotypes then turn around and say you don't want to take it, you can't have both because that just makes you a hipocrite.
And second having every soccer mom will help, if you read what I said, it was that stereotypes won't go away over night, If every soccer mom likes games now then her kids are more willing and their kids as well, IT WILL TAKE TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS but it has to start some where. And complaining doesn't bring any end to the frustration, IT ONLY BRINGS MORE. "Uh, oh well" is exactly what you should say if someone makes fun of you because it just proves that their an IDIOT, and you complaining only proves them right and brings you to their level of idiocy. I swear you and anyone else who agrees with you has the maturity level of a freakin high school or middle school child, GET OVER THE F**KING DRAMA AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES, IT DOESN"T MATTER.
First of all; having every soccer mom in the country playing Wii Sports doesn't help our cause. Because those idiots are still not accepting of video games, just that...crap. If you've noticed, these stereotypes still haven't changed. Gamers are still nerds, geeks, whatever. REAL video games still get no respect, only WiiFAIL titles do.
In any case, I don't want gaming destroyed so idiots stop stereotyping. I'd rather have people stereotype and make fun of me for the rest of my life than have gaming destroyed.
And I hate your mentality here. "GAWSH, WE ALREDY KNO THIS." NO ****! THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GET PISSED BECAUSE I'M STEREOTYPED! This is the same exact type of crap you see when it comes to Smash Bros. "We can't change Brawl, stop complaining and play Melee" or "Sakurai made great games, thus you're not allowed to complain about his screw up." I don't care when it was discovered, I don't care if it can't change, the fact that I have been teased, and made fun of, and stereotyped my entire life for being geeky is NOT something I'm going to say "oh well" about.
That's not my anger. That's how I feel, honestly. Sports are more physical. Video games are more mental. There's only so much thought involved in hitting a ball and trying to catch it or tag a base with it. Solving intense puzzles in games like Zelda or Metroid takes skill and knowledge. Not saying sports don't, but video games certainly do, and the knowledge required is much more in video games if you ask me.
And I don't understand how 360 vision makes things different. If anything, that makes games harder because it's harder to turn and look at things behind you. For example, in a game like Metroid, there might be 8 Space Pirates that appear in the room you're in. Some of them appear in front of you, others to the sides, and others behind you. You've got to watch out for all of them and a screen doesn't give you as much space to do so.
Okay, perhaps you just know a lot of jerks that are also gamers. Most of the gamers I know are normal, nice people. A little quirky, yes, but not cocky as you so describe them. I am a gamer myself, and I'm not talking down to anyone. I usually leave people alone (I'm generally a pretty quiet person) and the only time I'm mean to someone is if they give me a reason to do so. A lot of people give me a reason to do so. You can't even begin to understand how much crap I've gotten throughout my life because I'm a geek.
Saying that "a lot" of gamers are cocky when you just happen to know a lot of cocky ones is hardly applicable. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as that would be a lie, but you say that like it's generally true for most gamers -- which is basically stereotyping.
Wow O_o. I'm I one of the few gamers who no one "looks down on". Everyone where I live knows that VG are popular, even the so called popular kids play/talk about video games.
Wow O_o. I'm I one of the few gamers who no one "looks down on". Everyone where I live knows that VG are popular, even the so called popular kids play/talk about video games.
I didn't say it was true for most gamers at all, and I knew someone was going to think I said that. I'll add though that I think just spending a day around video game related websites that a person would be plain delusional to think that gamers like the kind I described are a minority though, but that's actually not the point. I'm not here to paint a group of people as primarilly saints or terrible people worthy of being beaten up. I'm just throwing this out for some perspective, that not everyone who has a gripe against gamers is doing it because they're pretentious, malicious people and everyone is out to get the poor little gamer like a lot of threads like this one that I've seen time and time again seem to make it sound like whether they mean it or not. In other words, to level things out a bit.
If you're personally not like that, before I get a dozen responses of people defending themselves, I'm happy for you and I'm not going after you. Think of it as a general statment. Something to keep in mind if a person ever feels the temptation to start feeling like it's us against them because that bs just causes the whole thing to become a cyclical, self feeding problem. Some douchebag on side one is a jerk to someone on side two, who in turn gets it in their head that -everyone- on side one is evil and returns indiscriminate fire, repeat.
For the most part aside from that there isn't much to this topic I think. Some people are irrationally pretentious jerkoffs trying to be better than someone else out there. And some things seem like easier targets. But I think it wouldn't hurt to occasionally remind one self about that escalation I griped about up there.
I see where you're coming from, you're just saying that it's not necessarily always the other people's fault, correct? I understand that, and agree with that. However, in my lifetime I have never encountered someone legitimately tormented because they were a gamer. It happens, but not often.
Thank you so much, I hadn't yet gotten my daily irony.
News flash: Don't call someone an idiot and use the wrong "your" in the same sentence. It makes you look like a complete idiot and voids your argument that the other person is stupid.
first you say you would rather have games than stereotypes then turn around and say you don't want to take it, you can't have both because that just makes you a hipocrite.
Do you know the definition of a "hypocrite"? Seriously. A hypocrite is someone who dislikes, makes fun of something, or tells someone not to do that something, and then turns around and does it themselves. Wanting real games and not wanting to be stereotyped does not make me a hypocrite. They should NOT go hand in hand. The fact that you think that they do horribly offends me. Baseball doesn't have to turn into a game where score isn't kept track of, where anyone can get into the major leagues, for people to not dislike it. Why do video games get so singled out? Honest to god, it sickens me.
And second having every soccer mom will help, if you read what I said, it was that stereotypes won't go away over night, If every soccer mom likes games now then her kids are more willing and their kids as well, IT WILL TAKE TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS but it has to start some where. And complaining doesn't bring any end to the frustration, IT ONLY BRINGS MORE. "Uh, oh well" is exactly what you should say if someone makes fun of you because it just proves that their an IDIOT, and you complaining only proves them right and brings you to their level of idiocy. I swear you and anyone else who agrees with you has the maturity level of a freakin high school or middle school child, GET OVER THE F**KING DRAMA AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES, IT DOESN"T MATTER.
There's already thousands of gamers without every god**** soccer mom liking them. My parents have never liked video games, yet I grew up to be as big of a gamer as can be. I don't WANT the soccer moms to start gaming. I just want them to stop calling them evil. Is that so much to ask? Clearly, you think it is.
Stereotypes won't go away over night. Stereotypes will never go away.
Hah! You're laughable! So if someone on a daily basis annoys me, pokes fun at me, acts friendly and then when I think they're actually being friendly and act like so they laugh at me, I should say oh well? Clearly you've never had these sort of troubles in your life. Obviously they're idiots, but you clearly don't understand how ****ty it feels. Until you do, GTFO. I'm not kidding. Don't tell me I'm being a baby until you have it happen to you.
So wait, I would assume from that comment that you're implying that you're actually out of high school? I severely doubt that. Your concept of the world is incredibly misguided, and if you managed to graduate high school with the way you spell and the level of grammar you have, something needs to be done about the school you went to.
If you didn't offend and piss me off so much, I wouldn't even dignify you with a response because...you're SO offensive. You're a complete idiot. I honestly cannot believe you're telling me that I must be immature if being picked on and stereotyped bothers me. GOD, this world is a mess.
Thanks to everyone who agreed with me, I really appreciate it.
Either way I don't think it matters, these things are going to become so integrated into our society that in a few decades it's going to be a very minor issue.
Secondly, What's does the expression 'Soccer mum' mean?
Finally, Do you think that unfortunate events combined with the media contributed to this sort of mind set. Like that infamous 'Doom' related shooting in America and Manhunt. The idea that all video games are about nothing but mindless violence and killing. The media are using these events and creating the idea that video games make people anti-social, thus influencing people's mind as they know nothing about the subject, they'll take it as absolute truth. Even in England where magazines are saying games are more accepted into everyday life people still use it as an easy scapegoat because they either know nothing about it or most people will know nothing about it. Even Mcdonalds blamed games for the increasing rate of obesity. I'm not joking. I'm just using these examples to show that a lot of people think gaming is bad and therefore think of gamers in a negative mind set. And that media has played a part in this too.
@Firusthehedgehog:
I do hope you realise that not every High school person tends to see the concept of the world/life the same(not saying you implied that statement). Albeit, I'm not yet a graduate, but that doesn't diminish the fact that I for one have matured beyond that level.
Also..I've been treated.."differently", per se. Usually because of my raical background tagged along with music I like and(rarely)gamed.
Now, your situation of being picked on doesn't really happen to me(some reason, I am "popular"..why, I don't know..), but I understand your actions..
If they just pick on you one time, ignore it. But if people continuously(sp?)do it, that's when you get up and show them who the tough guy inside is!
"Soccer Mom" is referenced to the Wiifit Soccer game. It always shows moms or soccer pros advertising/playing it.
**Finally, a topic where I can talk amongst the intelligent/debatable people on these boards. Too bad these threads are few and far between. Also, the title should be edited to "Why do people frown the gaming community?"
And, maybe move it to the pool room/debate hall if possible. Mods?
Secondly, What's does the expression 'Soccer mum' mean?
Finally, Do you think that unfortunate events combined with the media contributed to this sort of mind set. Like that infamous 'Doom' related shooting in America and Manhunt. The idea that all video games are about nothing but mindless violence and killing. The media are using these events and creating the idea that video games make people anti-social, thus influencing people's mind as they know nothing about the subject, they'll take it as absolute truth. Even in England where magazines are saying games are more accepted into everyday life people still use it as an easy scapegoat because they either know nothing about it or most people will know nothing about it. Even Mcdonalds blamed games for the increasing rate of obesity. I'm not joking. I'm just using these examples to show that a lot of people think gaming is bad and therefore think of gamers in a negative mind set. And that media has played a part in this too.
And, yeah, you're right, some people use video games as a scapegoat because they know very little about them. Seeking out a scapegoat proves ignorance, because if you really know anything about the scapegoat, you'd realize there's no valid reason to put blame on it. Reminds me of the whole Pokemon phenomenon when I was young... well, younger. Adults couldn't comprehend why a bunch of brightly colored monsters fighting each other was so popular among kids, so they started calling it the "devil's work" and "evil", etc. Sounds ridiculous, I know, but that's how it was.
So wait, I would assume from that comment that you're implying that you're actually out of high school? I severely doubt that. Your concept of the world is incredibly misguided, and if you managed to graduate high school with the way you spell and the level of grammar you have, something needs to be done about the school you went to.
If you didn't offend and piss me off so much, I wouldn't even dignify you with a response because...you're SO offensive. You're a complete idiot. I honestly cannot believe you're telling me that I must be immature if being picked on and stereotyped bothers me. GOD, this world is a mess.
You've obviously been bullied a fair bit? Everyone gets that to some degree. Grow up dude, move past it, and don't end any of your arguments with a paragraph insulting and belittling the dude you're arguing against. That's bullying too, and it's weak as hell.
The point he's making here that I agree with is that the more video games go mainstream, what with the soccer mums and the casuals and whatnot, the more good press they'll get. All this bull**** with violence and sex in videogames and the fear and paranoia that go with them? That'll go away. The image of gamers as overweight, acne riddled losers? That'll go away too as video games get broader mainstream acceptance. It may not even take generations, I think it's already here to some extent. It's kind of like Chis said.
I'm pretty sure everything kids have been into in the past has gone through this kind of negative stereotyping. Jazz, Rock'n'Roll, comic books, movies (violence in movies, sex in movies, smoking in movies)
I'll think about a possible title change, and this shouldn't be moved. The pool room is too casual and in the debate hall I can't post, we can't have that now can we?
Obvisouly grammer is not an actual issue and if you have to focus on that instead of the arguement at hand then your just avoiding the issue. Sorry for all of you people I was unaware I was being graded on my spelling and grammer on a forum, I'll try harder to give a ****.
FIRST: I am out of high school, and I did go through the same if not worse problems. I grew up in a small ghetto named Trinity, Texas and when I say ghetto I mean it. And just for the record I'm as white as they come so I really didn't fit in. Anywho, in trinity i was one of two white kids in a school of 500 or so. On top of that I was a nerd and weak so thats three strikes against me, white, nerdy, weak. While you get picked on I was being attacked, had my life threatened, hazed by gangs and stabed with knives so you and your high school "OOH WOE IS ME I GOT A SWIRLY BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ME" can go stick it. Just for the record I am not stereotyping blacks just recalling events, and no I don't hate blacks, FYI.
SECOND: If you are in high school or middle school your'll grow up and learn, right now your just a young **** that doesn't know any better and I don't hold it against you because you haven't experienced life yet.
THIRD: If you are out of high school then the only word I have that can describe my feelings torward you is PITY. You have anger issue that you have not delt with and seriously need an outlet.
FOURTH: Back on topic I don't disagree with you on the issue of the games, your right it shouldn't be singled out but that will not change fast. I have been around long enough to play the first video games and I promise the issue is better now than it was then.
FIFTH: Your right a hipocrite is someone who posesses qualities that they speak against. If you don't want to get picked on but hate and speak out against the solution then what exactly does that make you?
SIXTH: You are also right on the fact that all stereotypes will never goe away, but certain ones will.
SEVENTH: I didn't say soccer moms had to like their kids I said soccer moms had to play WiiFail games and feel connected. Since you can't see the rest of world because you are to near sighted, I'll tel you something. PARENTS THESE DAYS SUCK. because all of the douches I grew up with are now the irresponsible parents of todays world. I'm sorry you were born into a crappy world get over it.
lets see what else was there, oh yah.
TENTH: If someone picks on you then turns around and tries to be friendly thats your own fault foe being gulible and you just fell for the oldest and I do mean oldest trick in the book.
FIFTIETH: and yes thats exactly what I am saying. You should say oh well because it shouldn't bother or matter to you what people think of you, but clearly it does. I learned really early to ignore the masses and I'm a better person for it. There is an old saying that goes like this "who is the bigger idiot, the idiot, or the person that follows the idiot?" While you say the world is a mess, you complain about wanting acceptence in it. SO your basiclly saying the people are dumb but want to fit in with it because your worried some high/middle school **** doesn't like you and picks on you. Ok correction it is probably ***** plural as I'm sure their is more than one person picking on you.
In conclusion, GROW UP THE WORLD DOESN"T REVOLVE AROUND YOU, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF KIDS WHO GET IT WORSE THAN YOU AND JUST SHRUG IT OFF AND GO ON.
Another FYI, I don't give a flying flip what people say about me because I know they are wrong. You will learn that only the opinions of the closest friends and family should matter to you.
Just for the record I don't actually expect you to listen to some random guy on SWF because I'm sure you don't even listen to your own father. I'm just saying for the sake of "I told you so" when you look back on your life X amount of years from now.
@Firusthehedgehog:
I do hope you realise that not every High school person tends to see the concept of the world/life the same(not saying you implied that statement). Albeit, I'm not yet a graduate, but that doesn't diminish the fact that I for one have matured beyond that level.
Matured beyond what level? I don't understand what you're referring to.
Obviously not every person ever sees the world the same, regardless of age. It's ever-changing. But there's a difference between seeing the world differently and saying I'm immature and an idiot for being affected by something. That's just ignorant, honestly. Maybe you work differently from me, perhaps you're not as affected. But telling me that my emotions are wrong and immature is ridiculous, honestly.
Also..I've been treated.."differently", per se. Usually because of my raical background tagged along with music I like and(rarely)gamed.
Now, your situation of being picked on doesn't really happen to me(some reason, I am "popular"..why, I don't know..), but I understand your actions..
If they just pick on you one time, ignore it. But if people continuously(sp?)do it, that's when you get up and show them who the tough guy inside is!
I was picked on all of the time, and I tried to stand up for myself. I'm not exactly intimidating. Basically what happened was I stood up for myself and I got picked on more.
**Finally, a topic where I can talk amongst the intelligent/debatable people on these boards. Too bad these threads are few and far between. Also, the title should be edited to "Why do people frown the gaming community?"
And, maybe move it to the pool room/debate hall if possible. Mods?
Yeah, it's nice that there's an intelligent topic outside of the Debate Hall.
Which brings me to the next point, it would PROBABLY fit better in one of those places, but I think that, as Chis said, the Pool Room is too casual, and this topic would be better if it's open to more people. Not that that's always a good thing, as oftentimes it results in more morons joining in (which is why the Debate Hall requires membership). However, I think this topic is better off open to the public domain.
Plus, this was moved from the GBD so the mod (whoever moved it) probably thought that this is the most suitable place.
The title change, though, I agree with.
You've obviously been bullied a fair bit? Everyone gets that to some degree. Grow up dude, move past it, and don't end any of your arguments with a paragraph insulting and belittling the dude you're arguing against. That's bullying too, and it's weak as hell.
I don't understand how anyone is in a place to tell me my emotions are wrong and immature. That's the problem, that people like you think that bullying isn't a big deal. Because I would be willing to bet that these people have either never been bullied or they haven't had it happen more than once or twice, and unless you've experienced it you have no right to judge me. It's as if I were to tell, say, a drug addict that they're immature and weak for not being able to get over their addiction. I honestly (seriously) do not understand how something could have that affect on someone, especially if there are such negative side-effects. However, I understand that it happens and as I've not experienced it myself, I can't use my opinions as fact that someone is immature for not being able to get over it. Obviously drug addiction and being bullied are massively different. My point stands, however.
Also, I don't believe I was bullying or belittling. If someone is that offensive (as are you) to tell me that being upset about being bullied is immature, I don't think it's unreasonable to call them offensive and an idiot. Ignorant would be more of a correct term, yes, but I don't think my post was bullying at all, and I don't see how I'm weak by telling someone how offensively ignorant they are. All I can see from your argument is that you're basically trying to call me a hypocrite, when I don't believe I have been. Clearly you've never been bullied, because that's not at all what it is like, and if you haven't had that experience, again, don't go judging.
It's ridiculous the amount of people on SmashBoards who think you're immature for having opinions and emotions and expressing them. I get it here, and I get it whenever I express my disgust with Brawl or Sakurai.
The point he's making here that I agree with is that the more video games go mainstream, what with the soccer mums and the casuals and whatnot, the more good press they'll get. All this bull**** with violence and sex in videogames and the fear and paranoia that go with them? That'll go away. The image of gamers as overweight, acne riddled losers? That'll go away too as video games get broader mainstream acceptance. It may not even take generations, I think it's already here to some extent. It's kind of like Chis said.
I understand this point and its rationale, and I've thought about it at length. But when it comes down to it, do you think these casual gamers are going to respect the classics like Super Metroid, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Super Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past? No. These soccer moms brought into gaming are, 99 times out of 100, going to be playing and enjoy and respect the same games that they were brought in by -- Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Brain Age, etc. There's nothing wrong with those titles, but they need to be in moderation. And Nintendo is sacrificing everything they ever had to make the Wii what it is, a casual-fest. Notice that while the Wii and all of those casual or dumbed-down games are getting good press, the 360 and PS3 are not, and people are still complaining about 'dangerous' titles like Resident Evil 4 and so on. The Wii and all of its casual-ness has not brought about any change thus far, and it's not like it hasn't been getting good press for 2 years now.
And once again, I don't want games ruined in the process of obtaining this respect. I don't understand why we have to change so ignorant people will accept us. I am SO against conforming, so this offends me a lot. I don't want games to conform so I can fit in. I don't give a crap about fitting in, in all honesty, I just wish people would leave me alone about it. But that aside, what's the point of gaming respected by most people if we have to lose what made it great in the first place to accomplish that? It's like, say you have a pet monkey, and everyone thinks it's weird and makes fun of you for it. But someone tells you people will respect monkey pets if every monkey in the world is set on fire. What's the point of having it be respected if all you've got is a pile of ashes?
Obvisouly grammer is not an actual issue and if you have to focus on that instead of the arguement at hand then your just avoiding the issue. Sorry for all of you people I was unaware I was being graded on my spelling and grammer on a forum, I'll try harder to give a ****.
Well it better not be, considering you made multiple spelling AND grammar errors in the same sentence.
Although it actually is. This is a forum, not an instant messenger, you have time to think out your posts and learn proper grammar. If you want people to read your posts, you don't want to make them work at it. If you're too lazy to learn proper grammar and spelling, at the very least get Firefox, which automatically spell checks your posts.
By the way, I don't believe I avoided the issue at all. I quoted your one ironic statement and made the comment.
It's sad that as a society no one even gives a crap to learn proper spelling or grammar anymore. It wasn't invented for no reason.
FIRST: I am out of high school, and I did go through the same if not worse problems. I grew up in a small ghetto named Trinity, Texas and when I say ghetto I mean it. And just for the record I'm as white as they come so I really didn't fit in. Anywho, in trinity i was one of two white kids in a school of 500 or so. On top of that I was a nerd and weak so thats three strikes against me, white, nerdy, weak. While you get picked on I was being attacked, had my life threatened, hazed by gangs and stabed with knives so you and your high school "OOH WOE IS ME I GOT A SWIRLY BECAUSE NO ONE LIKES ME" can go stick it. Just for the record I am not stereotyping blacks just recalling events, and no I don't hate blacks, FYI.
I'm not denying that physical pain isn't a problem, and not saying it doesn't add mental pain, but there's something to be said about being ridiculed your entire life. It's hard to describe, but it's painful and lowers your self-esteem. I'm sorry that you had a bad childhood, no reason to take it out on me and tell me I'm a baby.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure I believe that story, but I have nothing to back that thought up so I won't use it as an argument. (And if you tell me I'm an *** or something for saying that, I said I wasn't going to use it as an argument, it's just a hunch, so uh...yeah. In advance, don't tell me that.)
And what the hell is a swirly? Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.
SECOND: If you are in high school or middle school your'll grow up and learn, right now your just a young **** that doesn't know any better and I don't hold it against you because you haven't experienced life yet.
Hmph. I'm not young or a ****, I don't care to share with you how old I am but I'm certainly not ignorant to the world, nor do I believe you know anything that I don't. To you this probably means that I'm NOT young, I'm just a **** that will never learn, whatever. I honestly don't care what you think of me. I'm sure in your eyes I never will "know better".
And I love how you play "being out of high school" as an excuse to say you've experienced the world. You haven't. Unless you're 30 or 40+, you haven't done **** enough to act like some wise sage.
I'm still not entirely convinced you're out of high school, from the way you're acting I doubt it, but I'm just stating that, not using it as an argument, once again.
THIRD: If you are out of high school then the only word I have that can describe my feelings torward you is PITY. You have anger issue that you have not delt with and seriously need an outlet.
I don't have anger issues at all, I think ranting about it on a forum is far better than acting on it. Venting, talking about something is the best way to deal with something. I have the same advice for you, if you were affected by your high school experience, swallow your pride and talk about it. It doesn't make you tough because you don't talk about it, bottling up your anger is only bound to lead to something awful.
FOURTH: Back on topic I don't disagree with you on the issue of the games, your right it shouldn't be singled out but that will not change fast. I have been around long enough to play the first video games and I promise the issue is better now than it was then.
The situation has gotten better, but that's mostly because there are more casual games. Back in the good old days, you didn't see any Brain Ages or Wii Fits, you saw more simple games early on and then as time went on (from arcade games to home consoles) they got complicated and tougher, and then after that they've pretty much declined over time.
FIFTH: Your right a hipocrite is someone who posesses qualities that they speak against. If you don't want to get picked on but hate and speak out against the solution then what exactly does that make you?
To an extent, yes, but they will never truly go away. Even if games become accepted and gamers become accepted that stereotype will still exist, but less will be done about it.
But you're basically right.
SEVENTH: I didn't say soccer moms had to like their kids I said soccer moms had to play WiiFail games and feel connected. Since you can't see the rest of world because you are to near sighted, I'll tel you something. PARENTS THESE DAYS SUCK. because all of the douches I grew up with are now the irresponsible parents of todays world. I'm sorry you were born into a crappy world get over it.
First of all, I believe I already refuted this. Soccer moms will get used to WiiFail games, but they will still not accept true video games. The only reason video games get more respect is because of those casual games and if they died out tomorrow things would go straight back to normal.
I see the world perfectly fine, and I understand (more than you might assume) that parents suck. Parents are irresponsible and don't discipline their kids, instead they give into their demands. Fortunately my parents were not irresponsible like this, but I am fully aware of how stupid parents are.
I'm sorry I was born into a crappy world too. I don't know why I'm not allowed to complain about it.
lets see what else was there, oh yah.
TENTH: If someone picks on you then turns around and tries to be friendly thats your own fault foe being gulible and you just fell for the oldest and I do mean oldest trick in the book.
Yeah, that helps your argument so much.
I learned over time, and it was never someone being a jerk and THEN acting friendly. I've learned to be skeptical about anything and everything, experience has taught me that every toothy grin hides an extra row of teeth.
And this still doesn't make your argument more valid, even if I were that gullible. The people are still jerks, whether or not they succeeded is not the point.
FIFTIETH: and yes thats exactly what I am saying. You should say oh well because it shouldn't bother or matter to you what people think of you, but clearly it does. I learned really early to ignore the masses and I'm a better person for it. There is an old saying that goes like this "who is the bigger idiot, the idiot, or the person that follows the idiot?" While you say the world is a mess, you complain about wanting acceptence in it. SO your basiclly saying the people are dumb but want to fit in with it because your worried some high/middle school **** doesn't like you and picks on you. Ok correction it is probably ***** plural as I'm sure their is more than one person picking on you.
I don't give a rat's *** what people think of me if they've proven to be jerks, quite honestly. But being ridiculed isn't fun. I don't care if people think of me as the biggest freak in the world, just shut up and leave me alone about it.
I certainly ignore the masses, otherwise I would've conformed to what other people do and tried to fit in ages ago, and I would've played sports rather than dropping any and all sports by the fifth grade. I don't conform. I live how I want to live. Being bothered by being tormented doesn't necessarily sound rational, but it happens.
I want acceptance, i.e. not be stereotyped against. I just want people to leave me alone.
Seriously, do NOT mistake me as someone who wants to fit in. Conformity is the greatest evil, if you ask me. If I cared what people thought, do you HONESTLY think I'd be on a video game forum instead of dropping video games and enjoying sports like normal people? You're drawing incorrect conclusions.
In conclusion, GROW UP THE WORLD DOESN"T REVOLVE AROUND YOU, AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF KIDS WHO GET IT WORSE THAN YOU AND JUST SHRUG IT OFF AND GO ON.
And there are plenty of kids that got the same kind of crap and went on to commit suicide or a murder-suicide. Columbine ring a bell? Bullying wasn't the only reason, the kids were not mentally sound, but it certainly played a part. (And that instance even fits along with this thread, because guess what was blamed for it?)
Seriously, bullying drives kids to suicide. I'm not exaggerating or joking. That's fact.
Another FYI, I don't give a flying flip what people say about me because I know they are wrong. You will learn that only the opinions of the closest friends and family should matter to you.
I don't care if people think I'm a freak for not liking the same things as them, I honestly don't give a crap what they think, again. This is not what I'm saying. This was never what I was saying. You're misinterpreting what I said and you've used the same argument throughout your response.
And honestly, please stop it with the "you'll learn" crap. I don't know if you're older than me or not, but I honestly don't care, you're acting very arrogant and whether you're a year older, ten years older, or not older, than me, you need to stop presenting that here. I find it offensive. Don't go on a power trip just because you might be older.
Just for the record I don't actually expect you to listen to some random guy on SWF because I'm sure you don't even listen to your own father. I'm just saying for the sake of "I told you so" when you look back on your life X amount of years from now.
I really, really am sick of your attitude here. You've patronized me through your entire post, acting like you're superior. Just, please, stop it. I'm getting really fed up with your crap.
STOP putting assumptions in the argument, like whether I listen to my father or not, you're hardly even on-topic with half of your post.
By the way, if this is coming out as flaming or angry, then it's coming out wrong.
I wasn't giving my pity to you, I was saying that I pity the way you feel, in the fact that I used to think just like you.
And the issue of physical age is irrelivant I was more refering to maturity age, even if i'm ten and your thirty (which I highly doubt but won't say) doesn't change the fact that your maturity level is that of a teenager.
You should not complain about a crappy world because if you are not apart of the solution then you are apart of the problem. If you want to fix it, then fix it, that doesn't entail complaing. If your not fixing it then your only making it worse.
I'm also not taking my bad childhood out on you, I'm just stating that I'v been there and gotten the badge for it. Since you said I had no idea what it was like, I was just proving that I did.
And a swirly is were you get your head dunked in toilet and they flush it on you. It is a stereotypical act of picking on little kids in school, I was making a reference thats all. Thats what we called when I was in school I don't know what they call it now.
Also the fact that you think people should stop being morons and except it is an impossible solution thus making it not a solution. And not being happy with a solution is one thing, but openly attacking and going against it is another.
AND BULLYING DOES NOT DRIVE KIDS TO SUICIDE OR KILLINGS ITS THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT, NOTHING MORE. Plenty of people kill themselves each day for other reason. There are a ton of reasons that people don't know how to deal with and turn to death or killing, bullying just happens to be one of the millions of problems a lot people don't know how to deal with. It is the lack of dealing with a given problem not the problem itself, kinda like aids, where aids doesn't kill you, the common cold does.
If more kids new how to deal with it then it wouldn't be a problem.
Never did I say you don't listen to your father, I said you probably don't, there is a difference.
And I'm sorry about the acceptance thing I agree with you there. Judging by what you said in the other posts it sounded like thats what you were trying to do. I truely believe conformity is the greatest evil also.
And I don't mean to use high school as growing up point it was just the focus of the disscusion so I used it. These issues by no means go away in college either.
I also do not mean to come off as arrogent or flaming which I'm sure I did. But before you take your word as gospel look at what you said first. The whole I'm sick of the you'll learn and crap. You sound like a teenager (whether you are or not.) Im not saying I'm superior or anything like that, But if you were actcually willing to listen rather than saying I'm sick of you, or stop insulting me, you would have realized by now that what I'm saying is true.
And the casual games like brain age and wii fit are the ones that will help, they are the succesful ones that will bridge the gap. If billy picks on timmy for playing games then goes home to see mommy and daddy playing games he might not pick on timmy any more. And when billy has kids he is more likley to play games with them or at the very least not frown on it. And if his kids think games are cool because of their parents then they might not frown upon it also. I said it would take two or three generations not a couple of years. This is a slow and painfully long process, hell we might not even be alive to see the end of it.
I haven't heard him say that, but if he did, I raise my hands up high!
@Firusthehedgehod:
About the maturing part, I was merely referencing to what I said about being hipocritical, stereotypical, etc..I could've gone without saying it though.
When did I call you an idiot or immature? And if your affected by something emotionally/physically, who has the right to tell you you(I know.. 2 you's) can't express your feelings/handle them in your own manner..oh, that's right, no one. People can only try to influence you.
People frown upon gamers because they're confused and lost on this great big planet we call the Earth.
Gamers are awesome. Those people "frowning" upon us, are most likely idiots. XP
@ FirustTheHedgehog.
That's a d@mn long post you have there...
Gamers, are just like other people. People like pr0n, movies, animals, golf, soccer, etc... etc... nobody should be able to "frown" upon a specific activity that other people like, just because it doesn't suit their opinions.
Stuff like......... yiff, 2 Girls 1 Cup, there's an understandable reason why people frown upon stuff like that. But gaming? It's just a hobby. So non-gamers, shaddup I say. XP
Pitying me and giving me your pity is the same thing phrased differently.
And the issue of physical age is irrelivant I was more refering to maturity age, even if i'm ten and your thirty (which I highly doubt but won't say) doesn't change the fact that your maturity level is that of a teenager.
I don't understand this. Explain to me how anything I've expressed is "immature". I could say that some of your views are immature, too. They might just seem immature because you disagree and they make no sense to you.
Seriously, age, maturity, whatever is not an issue unless I'm shouting out "your mom" jokes. Don't call someone immature because they don't agree. It's just adding an irrelevant variable into the argument.
You should not complain about a crappy world because if you are not apart of the solution then you are apart of the problem. If you want to fix it, then fix it, that doesn't entail complaing. If your not fixing it then your only making it worse.
I believe I am a part of the solution. I'm trying to fix it by getting games recognized as an art form, not a high-tech Twister. You, my good sir, however, are making it worse and are hindering everything. Because you're completely for exactly what you agreed with me was the greatest evil. By changing video games to be accepted, we are conforming video games. In a roundabout way, it's true.
I'm also not taking my bad childhood out on you, I'm just stating that I'v been there and gotten the badge for it. Since you said I had no idea what it was like, I was just proving that I did.
And a swirly is were you get your head dunked in toilet and they flush it on you. It is a stereotypical act of picking on little kids in school, I was making a reference thats all. Thats what we called when I was in school I don't know what they call it now.
You told me that I have no right to complain (and I'm immature, a baby, whatever) because you had a bad childhood. That's as good as taking it out on me as I can see. From the way you act, I still can't believe you would've been bullied at all. Perhaps being stabbed and threatened just doesn't have the same effect, as odd as that may seem.
Oh, sorry. I just wasn't sure what you were talking about. I've never experienced or seen it happen except maybe once on a TV show, so I didn't recall the term. I think that's what it's called, though.
Also the fact that you think people should stop being morons and except it is an impossible solution thus making it not a solution. And not being happy with a solution is one thing, but openly attacking and going against it is another.
That's because this so-called "solution" will ruin gaming. I don't want to play video games if it's tons of stick-waggling, dice-hitting, party game "fun". Your solution is ridiculous and is asking gamers of the world to compromise...or not even compromise, because the jerks out there who won't accept video games will just sit there and say "Oh, well THIS I like." Instead of having to suck up their idiocy and stop being ****s.
You're telling me I should be happy with sacrificing the artistic aspect of games because people will accept them. That's ridiculous.
AND BULLYING DOES NOT DRIVE KIDS TO SUICIDE OR KILLINGS ITS THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH IT, NOTHING MORE. Plenty of people kill themselves each day for other reason. There are a ton of reasons that people don't know how to deal with and turn to death or killing, bullying just happens to be one of the millions of problems a lot people don't know how to deal with. It is the lack of dealing with a given problem not the problem itself, kinda like aids, where aids doesn't kill you, the common cold does.
If more kids new how to deal with it then it wouldn't be a problem.
But if it weren't for AIDS, people wouldn't be dying, would they? Because that common cold would hardly faze them. Same thing here, that "not knowing how to deal with it" wouldn't be a problem if there weren't the *******s out there bullying in the first place. You're basically, with your whole argument, validating bullying because it's "not a big deal". You know how you keep telling me if I'm not part of the solution, I'm part of the problem? I believe that's what you're doing. You're basically saying bullying is okay, the people being bullied just need to suck it up.
Never did I say you don't listen to your father, I said you probably don't, there is a difference.
It's speculation either way, and it's irrelevant either way. Don't bring it in.
And I'm sorry about the acceptance thing I agree with you there. Judging by what you said in the other posts it sounded like thats what you were trying to do. I truely believe conformity is the greatest evil also.
I can understand how it would come off that way, it's okay.
And I don't mean to use high school as growing up point it was just the focus of the disscusion so I used it. These issues by no means go away in college either.
That's...not exactly true, that's the great thing about College, all of that Prom Queen and nerd crap goes away, you hang out with whoever you want to hang out with and everyone pretty much goes their separate ways. Perhaps you've experienced a different reality, but you're an exception then.
I also do not mean to come off as arrogent or flaming which I'm sure I did. But before you take your word as gospel look at what you said first. The whole I'm sick of the you'll learn and crap. You sound like a teenager (whether you are or not.) Im not saying I'm superior or anything like that, But if you were actcually willing to listen rather than saying I'm sick of you, or stop insulting me, you would have realized by now that what I'm saying is true.
I'm sick of you telling me "You'll learn" because you're acting superior. More than just about anything in the world I hate being patronized, and by saying that, whether or not you were trying to, you were patronizing me.
And that's part of the problem with this -- you think I'm so ignorant that I don't understand this. I know this. Whoever said I didn't listen to what you were saying anyways? I just take umbrage to the fact that you assume I don't know these things and that you must be superior.
And the casual games like brain age and wii fit are the ones that will help, they are the succesful ones that will bridge the gap. If billy picks on timmy for playing games then goes home to see mommy and daddy playing games he might not pick on timmy any more. And when billy has kids he is more likley to play games with them or at the very least not frown on it. And if his kids think games are cool because of their parents then they might not frown upon it also. I said it would take two or three generations not a couple of years. This is a slow and painfully long process, hell we might not even be alive to see the end of it.
I have news for you; most teenagers don't listen to their parents that well. They may hate video games even more if their parents play them.
And I honestly don't care if they will bridge the gap. They're ruining games, and that is not an acceptable side-effect. As I said, I'd prefer to be ridiculed my entire life for the way I live than have the one thing I have a huge passion for killed so people stop ridiculing me. You can call me illogical, immature, unreasonable, part of the problem, whatever, for that. But I will not accept that as a side-effect.
@Firusthehedgehod:
About the maturing part, I was merely referencing to what I said about being hipocritical, stereotypical, etc..I could've gone without saying it though.
When did I call you an idiot or immature? And if your affected by something emotionally/physically, who has the right to tell you you(I know.. 2 you's) can't express your feelings/handle them in your own manner..oh, that's right, no one. People can only try to influence you.
Haha, yeah. As I called it, "The Great Wall of Text".
And you have good points about hobbies. Some are obviously shameful and should be looked down upon, but others are just hobbies with nothing wrong with them.
Keep in mind that I'm not really happy with anyone at Nintendo (although Miyamoto saying that Wii Music was a toy and that makes it good makes him even more on my bad side), but...they are running a business there, if people are saying that what they make for a living is bad for you they've got to try to convince people otherwise.
Not everyone frowns down upon the gaming community, in fact I think saying they frown down upon it is even a little to harsh.
It's really just a stereotype used to generalize people who play games for then others, I.e it's ok for some brain dead jock to play a foot ball game but when the pale shy kid says he plays RTS's he's just that nerd everyone picks on behind his back.
Of course politics use games such as GTA to get the Neighborhood Soccer Mom committee up in arms about violent video games. Hilary Clinton you music labeling *****.
I think we should forget about Video Game and Myspace addicts to fight crack heads.
As far as I can tell posting on a "video game" forum is not getting video games recognized as an art form, and creating a few new games so a few more people feel included is hardley conformity. Thats just creating a new genre. They create new genres all the time but I don't see you posting against them. Your also right that there are a lot of stick waving games but I don't own any and I have way more games than I can play, what exactly are they destroying, I see no destruction going on, I see plenty of awesome games.
Trying to get certain problems to go away is pointless, I.E. Bullying someone, not just video gamers either. If you can't change them the only thing you can change is yourself and the way you think. Your right if bullying didn't exist people wouldn't need to learn to deal with issue of it. But that won't happen so the only you can do is learn to deal with it.
Not everyone frowns down upon the gaming community, in fact I think saying they frown down upon it is even a little to harsh.
It's really just a stereotype used to generalize people who play games for then others, I.e it's ok for some brain dead jock to play a foot ball game but when the pale shy kid says he plays RTS's he's just that nerd everyone picks on behind his back.
Of course politics use games such as GTA to get the Neighborhood Soccer Mom committee up in arms about violent video games. Hilary Clinton you music labeling *****.
I think we should forget about Video Game and Myspace addicts to fight crack heads.
Well of course not everyone, but gaming has a generally bad rap, and there's a social stigma that goes along with being a geek.
In my opinion, that's as good as frowning upon it. What you described is basically what I'd describe as "frowning" on it.
But yeah, politics, news, whatever will use video games as an excuse to rile people up, or because it's a slow news day, which only makes things worse.
Honestly, I think what it all comes down to, why playing sports non-stop would be okay but gaming isn't, is because of the typical societal expectation of males. Males are supposed to be strong, and virile, and...well, you get the point. Gaming is the type of thing that many people (me included) replace sports with. Thus, it's frowned upon.
I hate this stupid expectation of society to no end, you can't even begin to understand. Probably because I suck at fulfilling it so much.
As far as I can tell posting on a "video game" forum is not getting video games recognized as an art form, and creating a few new games so a few more people feel included is hardley conformity. Thats just creating a new genre. They create new genres all the time but I don't see you posting against them. Your also right that there are a lot of stick waving games but I don't own any and I have way more games than I can play, what exactly are they destroying, I see no destruction going on, I see plenty of awesome games.
I'm sorry, I'll go out and find some way to protest or something and get games accepted like that. Are you honestly telling me that there's something wrong with posting on a video game forum about it? It's called discussion, that's what forums are for. No one ever said it's getting anything done. I don't think it's getting anything done. That doesn't mean I can't complain about it on a video game forum. I'm sick of people telling me that. That's another one of the ridiculous "YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPLAIN" arguments.
And you claim you're so knowledgeable about how games used to be, but you act as if casual games are a new thing. They've always been around, they're just spreading a lot more (and the casual-ness is affecting real games like Zelda) nowadays with the Wii. Heard of Tetris? That's a casual game. Everyone and their grandmother went out and got Tetris. Casual games have existed forever. Look at the Wii and tell me there are a "few" casual games. And as I said, they're affecting the real games, which is even worse.
Perhaps you enjoy casual games. But it doesn't mean they're not casual, and it doesn't mean games aren't changing. Games like Super Metroid and A Link to the Past are art. Today we've got a million FPS's on Xbox and Playstation and the games on Wii are casual with a few exceptions. Games have changed permanently whether or not you realize it.
Trying to get certain problems to go away is pointless, I.E. Bullying someone, not just video gamers either. If you can't change them the only thing you can change is yourself and the way you think. Your right if bullying didn't exist people wouldn't need to learn to deal with issue of it. But that won't happen so the only you can do is learn to deal with it.
Again, this stupid attitude of "You can't do anything about it so don't complain about it, sit down and be people's *****." That's, again, encouraging bullies, encouraging bad things.
I hate how you keep saying that. "It's pointless to try and change things." I don't give a crap if it's going to change, it's not something you should be accepting. That's wrong. That's like saying crime will never go away so we shouldn't punish people or try to stop it, we should just accept it.
THIS is the ignorance I'm talking about you having.
There is a difference between ignoring/taking it and dealing with it. I don't condone bullying or think its right in any fashion, but it will not go away and people need to find a way to deal with it. That can be anything from a hobby, to punching the bully square in the nose.
Just because there are a lot of wii fail games and more casual games does not mean that really good games are gone or by any means diminishing, there is just a lot more crap to sort through thats all. The majority of games have changed (for the worse I might add) but that doesn't mean the amount of really good games is decreasing in number, just percentage. I'll also add that expectations of new gamers are also lower as well, because of the majority of crap games.
I also agree that ALTTP is art because it so happens to be my favorite game. Funny you should mention it. I also agree that super metroid is also awesome but I would have to say that I still enjoy playing metroid II on the old grey brick more.
I also never said you couldn't post on a forum about this either, and I'm all for discussion or I wouldn't be here. What I was getting at was that you said you were trying to make it a recognizable art form. I agree with you that it should be and is already on some levels. But since my underlying sarcasm wasn't loud enough let me try again.
::Sarcasticly:: "As far as I can tell posting on a "video game" forum is not getting video games recognized as an art form,...." As in if its so important to you what exaclty ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT?
NO ONE SHOULD EVER ACCEPT ANYTHING BAD OR WRONG, THEY SHOULD DEAL WITH IT. Maybe the meaning of that phrase has changed since you keep misunderstanding what I'm saying with this whole "complaining" crap, so once again lets try it one more time.
CONFRONT THE PROBLEM
You say you want people to leave you alone, but yet you turn around and say that your trying to change the way video games are seen. You can't do both because if you were trying then people would constantly be making fun of your cause and "figuratively persecuting"you and you would constantly have to defend your case, which is not being left alone. If you were left alone then, well you wouldn't be doing anything at all, because that what left alone means. If you are not solving the problem then you are fueling the stereotypes that other kids suffer for. Please explain which one you are since I'm so ignorant.
There is a difference between ignoring/taking it and dealing with it. I don't condone bullying or think its right in any fashion, but it will not go away and people need to find a way to deal with it. That can be anything from a hobby, to punching the bully square in the nose.
But our hobby is video games... and that hobby is frowned upon. If we deal with it by pursuing a hobby, i.e. video games, won't the collective "bully" continue to torment us... because we pursue that hobby? And if we pursue a different hobby, it's sorta like saying "OK, you win! I won't do this anymore because you bullied me into doing something else!"
I don't think punching them would help either. Violence only begets more violence. Never will you see a situation in which person A punches person B and B says "Ah, OK. I see your point, I'll leave you alone now."
