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Why do people frown upon the gaming community?

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I mean seriously, why? They have these stereotypes of gamers as being over weight or poor social skills or with no life but for most of us that isn't true. Gaming is a form of entertainment, like television, music, film ect. Alot of people have obsession with knowing what this 'celebrity' is doing and society perceives that as normal. But when a non-obsessive gamer does something it's frowned upon.
What do you think was started this false generalisation of gamers and when do think if will end?
Have you ever been called a tourny*** because you are competitive?

What's your thoughts and feelings on this topic?

Discuss/


Sorry if this topic has been posted before. I searched and came up with a fatal error...
 

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"They waste your life".
Addiction started it. Once a few people really get into a thing, it becomes a problem. Anything that has killed a person/ hurt their life in some way is automatically a problem in peoples eyes.

No I haven't.

I feel that people should care less about video game addicts and look into Myspace addicts.
 

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This is not a very Brawl-related thread... but maybe it's because they can't spell "upon" because they don't read enough or are so addicted to fast-paced action that they don't have the patience to look it up. :( Seriously, though, there may be some envy involved in some cases of their ability to include such a time-consuming habit in their lives... or, pity that they can't and still try.
 

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This is not a very Brawl-related thread... but maybe it's because they can't spell "upon" because they don't read enough or are so addicted to fast-paced action that they don't have the patience to look it up. :( Seriously, though, there may be some envy involved in some cases of their ability to include such a time-consuming habit in their lives... or, pity that they can't and still try.
No fast paced action here :D I'm using the Wii browser so mistakes creep up and they're hard to find. This is brawl related, It's just because I hear alot of competitive brawlers getting alot of stick so I'd thougt I'd try and make a discussion of it.
 

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^^ I think you've might have heard this because of the thought of spending money with no purpose.,therefore as you are saying picking out on Brawl competitors, though at times it might seems insane spending money to go to tourney's it really isn't hurting anyone, so I don't see why these people have to be frowning upon Brawl competitors
 

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People frown on gamers because video games aren't real. What they forgot... is that nothing's real, man.
 

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No fast paced action here :D I'm using the Wii browser so mistakes creep up and they're hard to find. This is brawl related, It's just because I hear alot of competitive brawlers getting alot of stick so I'd thougt I'd try and make a discussion of it.
Oh, well, then, that's not so bad. I think I remember now that someone with a Sonic avatar aid his computer was broken. But still, if you're wondering about competitive Brawlers specifically, I suppose it's the discontent over the game itself in addition to the gamers in that more skilled players can lose to less skilled more easily than in the other Smash's.
 

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People hate gamers, because gamers for some reason generally have a larger" endowment" than your average television zombie or music junkie.

As for female gamers, I don't know how anyone gives them hate.
 

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Never really thought about it like that before.

I completely agree about how it's just another form of entertainment. I was actually embarrassed about being a competitive gamer until just now. Completetive gaming is like being obsessed with a certain show, why is games bad? Next time somebody asks me why I waste my time with something like games I'll respond with "I do what I enjoy, it's entertaining"
 

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Competitive gaming isnt frowned upon everywhere. Starcraft in Korea is like NFL in America. Im pretty sure its on TV there, but more importantly, its treated like a national sport there.
 

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I don't think casual gaming should be frowned upon as a hobby (though it often is), but I can see the argument for tournament level gaming. It takes endless hours of practicing to be competitive, for something that isn't real and will never affect anyone in real life. If you were going to spend so much time training, a lot of people think that it would have been better spent studying something like chess or earning a blackbelt, things that you could put on a application and won't suddenly become useless when the game or system is replaced by a newer version. So I don't blame people for disregarding high-level gaming. But I do disagree, I think if a player balalances themselves academically, exercises, has a real life hobby (chess, sudoku, baseball whatever), and socializes, then competitve gaming is fine.

But lots of gamers don't do that, and thats why people frown upon SSBB and gamers in general.
 

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People frown on gamers because video games aren't real. What they forgot... is that nothing's real, man.
The same can be said about films and television programmes. These actors are idolised and tracked everywhere. Yet it seems strange to some people that you want a game designers autograph.
 

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this has annoyed me too...i don't like stereotypes and i think the world is worse off with them. Its like ppl think they can judge a person based on a couple things they do. Not only is this stereotyping often untrue, its just unfair. Why like sasuke bowser said is myspace addiction considered socially acceptable and how is competitive video gaming that much diff from sports?

Just give gamers a chance i say...and i hope Ken wins Survivor :D
 

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But what if you play competitive for money? Is it bad then? I believe Ken won over $50,000 playing SSBM (not saying that's why he played SSBM) and it helped him pay through higher education. Just because you play competitively, it doesn't mean you don't have a life outside of it. I believe stereotypes started from similar assumptions.
 

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I see people who are on all day and no one sees anything wrong with that, but if someone plays a videogame for 3 hours then they have no life. WTF man!
A lot of people sit in their room and play video games all day because they are addicted. People don't shower, eat or socialize due to video games sometimes. I don't really have much of a problem with it and people really should look into Myspace addicts more.


The only reason i quoted you is because i wanted to let you know that you have an awesome sig! :)
 

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I don't think casual gaming should be frowned upon as a hobby (though it often is), but I can see the argument for tournament level gaming. It takes endless hours of practicing to be competitive, for something that isn't real and will never affect anyone in real life. If you were going to spend so much time training, a lot of people think that it would have been better spent studying something like chess or earning a blackbelt, things that you could put on a application and won't suddenly become useless when the game or system is replaced by a newer version. So I don't blame people for disregarding high-level gaming. But I do disagree, I think if a player balalances themselves academically, exercises, has a real life hobby (chess, sudoku, baseball whatever), and socializes, then competitve gaming is fine.

But lots of gamers don't do that, and thats why people frown upon SSBB and gamers in general.
This person wins and is correct. I think he (or she...) has the most valid response so far. People frown upon gamers because they see it as a waste of time that will never amount to anything in the real world. It's important to balance it in your life... not let it become your life. Video games aren't just for fun, but also help me relieve stress and take my mind off of things for a little while after a rough week of school...

It's really annoying when people make fun of you for having a different hobby than them. What if we made fun of people for sewing? Nonensical, right?
 

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Alot of time people take the idea's of something from the extreme.
Like all wow players play 10 hours a day. Video gamers are people with no lives. Everyone is a different and we all do things in different ways
 

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Lawl, existentialism.
Actually I was referring to methodological skepticism. Descartes. Yeah.

Isn't existentialism the thing about essence coming after existence? I know little about it. Just that Nietzche had something to do with it.
 

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Because people are idiots and have yet to accept video games as the art form they are (or at least, used to be). Older people look at them as toys, younger people are so freakin' afraid of things different from everyone else, they see a geek and feel the need to make fun of them. Because society is so stupid that we discourage being different at all costs.

Short answer? Because society sucks.

I don't think casual gaming should be frowned upon as a hobby (though it often is), but I can see the argument for tournament level gaming. It takes endless hours of practicing to be competitive, for something that isn't real and will never affect anyone in real life. If you were going to spend so much time training, a lot of people think that it would have been better spent studying something like chess or earning a blackbelt, things that you could put on a application and won't suddenly become useless when the game or system is replaced by a newer version. So I don't blame people for disregarding high-level gaming. But I do disagree, I think if a player balalances themselves academically, exercises, has a real life hobby (chess, sudoku, baseball whatever), and socializes, then competitve gaming is fine.

But lots of gamers don't do that, and thats why people frown upon SSBB and gamers in general.
I don't understand why Video Games can't be that hobby. You say that someone needs a real life hobby in addition to gaming, but why is it that baseball is so much more valuable than video games? I think it's arguable that Smash Bros takes as much thought as Chess. Other games are certainly arguable in the same sense.

You may not be able to put gaming on an application like other things, but I honestly think competitive gaming should be as applicable on an application as baseball is. Seriously, other than the fact that baseball is much more socially acceptable, what makes them so different? In many cases, I think video games take more skill and thought than most sports (no offense to sports players).
 

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:mad::mad:Man You People Are Never F***ing Happy.:mad::mad:

First all i hear about is gamers b*tching about how companies are creating gimicky games AKA nintendo wii and six axis crap and the DS touch screen. Seriously I can't open a gaming magazine or go on a gaming forum without reading about gamers feel that companies are forgetting the hardcore gamer and stop making games aimed at gramps and daddy. And now I see this crap. OK the world sucks and everyone stereotypes what else is new, suck it up and move on. But instead you complain, OK sense everyone frowns upon gamers and competitive ones at that what do you think is the best way to get people to come over to our side. Thats right creating really crappy and gimmicky games so mom and dad can play and feel more connected to little billy. Thats right all those "dumb" companies creating crappy games are tying to remove the stereotypes placed on gamers. Ok its also to make more money but who cares if it gets the job done. Also this topic needs no discussion because if you haven't found out the world sucks and is full of dumb fother muckers then your very niave or sheltered and now you know. PEOPLE stereotype its what we do best, besides porn. Heck we have hole wars because of it, people die every day because of stereotypes, do think its going to change overnight or even in the next 5 years, NO.
 

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Why people frown upon video gamers?

Jealously... see, being able to play video games give us certain skills, such as logic, hand-eye coordination, timing, intuition, and MINDGAMEZ. I can honestly say that I've learned more from entertaining video games than entertaining TV, so I don't know what the **** the problem is.

"People fear what don't understand, hate what they can't conquer, guess it's just a fury of man." - Nas.

With gamers, it's no different.
 

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Because people are idiots and have yet to accept video games as the art form they are (or at least, used to be). Older people look at them as toys, younger people are so freakin' afraid of things different from everyone else, they see a geek and feel the need to make fun of them. Because society is so stupid that we discourage being different at all costs.

Short answer? Because society sucks.

In many cases, I think video games take more skill and thought than most sports (no offense to sports players).
Son...there's no need for you to vent your anger.
IMO, all you need in Video Games are sharp reflexes, fast fingers, and quick-thinking mind.
All you have to do in Video Games is to look at a screen, agreed? You have to concentrate really, really hard.

In sports, it is quite different. You need coordination, reflexes, an agile body, a quick-thinking mind and you need a '360' vision. You need to watch your surroundings...carefully.

So to say, I agree that Video Games should not be looked down upon, BUT I disagree that it takes more skill than most sports.
 

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Son...there's no need for you to vent your anger.
IMO, all you need in Video Games are sharp reflexes, fast fingers, and quick-thinking mind.
All you have to do in Video Games is to look at a screen, agreed? You have to concentrate really, really hard.
*cough*watertemopleofOcarinaoftime*cough*possiblyforesttemple*cough*

Pretty Much Zelda is the opposite of those things. Its not Brute force that's going to get you through the game. Its Brain Power.

It also seems you haven't played a Wii FPS. Thanks to the Wiimote Snipers are Actually good in MoHH2
 

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I think us vs. society mentalities are always part of the problem in the first place.
 

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I don't think casual gaming should be frowned upon as a hobby (though it often is), but I can see the argument for tournament level gaming. It takes endless hours of practicing to be competitive, for something that isn't real and will never affect anyone in real life. If you were going to spend so much time training, a lot of people think that it would have been better spent studying something like chess or earning a blackbelt, things that you could put on a application and won't suddenly become useless when the game or system is replaced by a newer version. So I don't blame people for disregarding high-level gaming. But I do disagree, I think if a player balalances themselves academically, exercises, has a real life hobby (chess, sudoku, baseball whatever), and socializes, then competitve gaming is fine.

But lots of gamers don't do that, and thats why people frown upon SSBB and gamers in general.
this guy is awesome and gave me a great idea for a statement. ok well he says that it takes hours of practice everyday to be competitive, doesnt that remind anyone for sports. especially in the official leagues like NFL and NBA. They also practice hours everyday to keep up their game but just cause its a physical sport, apparently its 100 times cooler then competitive gaming. When you go to gaming touraments, dont you see a ton of people and become friends with them, cant you just "practice" your social skills their?
 

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Because gamers prefer gaming as hobby over other hobbies. And people hate other people doing different like them
Because they think video game is becoming an addiction but they totally ignore the following more dangerous addictions like porn, smoking, over drinking, etc
Also, people just want to find a flaw in other people but never themselves. Why else would gamers be frowned upon and TV addicts? Because a lot of Americans have TVs and watch it constantly.
 

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Because gamers prefer gaming as hobby over other hobbies. And people hate other people doing different like them
Because they think video game is becoming an addiction but they totally ignore the following more dangerous addictions like porn, smoking, over drinking, etc
Also, people just want to find a flaw in other people but never themselves. Why else would gamers be frowned upon and TV addicts? Because a lot of Americans have TVs and watch it constantly.
i was just thinking that after i posted my comment. i mean its better to be a somewhat at least addicted gamer then being involved in porn, drinking, smoking, drugs, or sex.
 

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i was just thinking that after i posted my comment. i mean its better to be a somewhat at least addicted gamer then being involved in porn, drinking, smoking, drugs, or sex.
wow i would have never thought of that as a comparison
 

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While a lot of it is pretentiousness as I said, I do have to throw out there that it'd be a little self indulgant I think to say that negative stereotyping of gamers is completely because they're "different", or socially taboo...or other such reasons along those lines. I have to say in my experience that some of the most self-indulgant and just plain irritatingly cocky people I've ever met were self described "gamers". There are many people who follow this hobby who treat themselves like some wave of the future that silly everyone else just doesn't get, when in actuality it seems like many of them "get" them just fine. Elitist, delusional jerks.

Before someone tells me that exists everywhere in every one of the silly categories of human beings we make for ourselves., i know that. Why I'm bringing this up is because I think it's important for people to level a little with the situation when it comes to stereotyping. While there are a lot of the people who pick on any other niche because it's different, judgemental people who just want to one-up someone else using anything they can get for whatever reason, I think it's also important to note that many people arn't like that...but a lot of so called gamers don't exactly try to make themselves likable people for them either. That's another reason why a person may be driven to have a negative stereotype of another "type" of person. No one likes to be irrationally talked down to.
 

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I think people make stereotypes about people to categorize other people into categories easier (since people like to categorize OTHER people), and most stereotypes are negative. Why are they negative? Because most people are unoptimistic and think poorly of themselves, and need to say "Hey! They're a competitive gamer, which means they are nerdier then I am! At least I'm better then them!" to make them feel "better" about themselves (superficially). That way they feel better about themselves...for a while. It's a lame way to make yourself feel better about yourself, but A LOT of people do that.

Good thing I think highly of myself, even if I am a mother f***ing a**hole! :laugh:

Thus people think hardcore gamers, competitive gamers, and even gamers in general are nerds and are anti-social. Funny because I don't consider myself any of those, and I doubt many "gamers" do. >_>
 

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First off, whoever moved my topic thanks for leaving a link behind :D

I believe society puts higher values on certain talents/hobbies other others. This highest being sport (olympics), when realistically Art and design is far more important. Video games are not seen as important in comparison to many other things and is seen as a waste of time. Which Is ironic since the whole 'celebrity' culture is a waste of time. They've either built stereotypes from the media (television programmes, film, magazines), attached a stereotype of one grab and labelled it to another group they thought were similar, or just don't understand. I don't think this will change because there will always be idiots that have false assumptions about something. I mean some people watch television >7 hours a day yet you play games for a few hours and they call you names

In before the Wii
 

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:mad::mad:Man You People Are Never F***ing Happy.:mad::mad:

First all i hear about is gamers b*tching about how companies are creating gimicky games AKA nintendo wii and six axis crap and the DS touch screen. Seriously I can't open a gaming magazine or go on a gaming forum without reading about gamers feel that companies are forgetting the hardcore gamer and stop making games aimed at gramps and daddy. And now I see this crap. OK the world sucks and everyone stereotypes what else is new, suck it up and move on. But instead you complain, OK sense everyone frowns upon gamers and competitive ones at that what do you think is the best way to get people to come over to our side. Thats right creating really crappy and gimmicky games so mom and dad can play and feel more connected to little billy. Thats right all those "dumb" companies creating crappy games are tying to remove the stereotypes placed on gamers. Ok its also to make more money but who cares if it gets the job done. Also this topic needs no discussion because if you haven't found out the world sucks and is full of dumb fother muckers then your very niave or sheltered and now you know. PEOPLE stereotype its what we do best, besides porn. Heck we have hole wars because of it, people die every day because of stereotypes, do think its going to change overnight or even in the next 5 years, NO.
First of all; having every soccer mom in the country playing Wii Sports doesn't help our cause. Because those idiots are still not accepting of video games, just that...crap. If you've noticed, these stereotypes still haven't changed. Gamers are still nerds, geeks, whatever. REAL video games still get no respect, only WiiFAIL titles do.
In any case, I don't want gaming destroyed so idiots stop stereotyping. I'd rather have people stereotype and make fun of me for the rest of my life than have gaming destroyed.

And I hate your mentality here. "GAWSH, WE ALREDY KNO THIS." NO ****! THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT ALLOWED TO GET PISSED BECAUSE I'M STEREOTYPED! This is the same exact type of crap you see when it comes to Smash Bros. "We can't change Brawl, stop complaining and play Melee" or "Sakurai made great games, thus you're not allowed to complain about his screw up." I don't care when it was discovered, I don't care if it can't change, the fact that I have been teased, and made fun of, and stereotyped my entire life for being geeky is NOT something I'm going to say "oh well" about.

Son...there's no need for you to vent your anger.
IMO, all you need in Video Games are sharp reflexes, fast fingers, and quick-thinking mind.
All you have to do in Video Games is to look at a screen, agreed? You have to concentrate really, really hard.

In sports, it is quite different. You need coordination, reflexes, an agile body, a quick-thinking mind and you need a '360' vision. You need to watch your surroundings...carefully.

So to say, I agree that Video Games should not be looked down upon, BUT I disagree that it takes more skill than most sports.
That's not my anger. That's how I feel, honestly. Sports are more physical. Video games are more mental. There's only so much thought involved in hitting a ball and trying to catch it or tag a base with it. Solving intense puzzles in games like Zelda or Metroid takes skill and knowledge. Not saying sports don't, but video games certainly do, and the knowledge required is much more in video games if you ask me.
And I don't understand how 360 vision makes things different. If anything, that makes games harder because it's harder to turn and look at things behind you. For example, in a game like Metroid, there might be 8 Space Pirates that appear in the room you're in. Some of them appear in front of you, others to the sides, and others behind you. You've got to watch out for all of them and a screen doesn't give you as much space to do so.

While a lot of it is pretentiousness as I said, I do have to throw out there that it'd be a little self indulgant I think to say that negative stereotyping of gamers is completely because they're "different", or socially taboo...or other such reasons along those lines. I have to say in my experience that some of the most self-indulgant and just plain irritatingly cocky people I've ever met were self described "gamers". There are many people who follow this hobby who treat themselves like some wave of the future that silly everyone else just doesn't get, when in actuality it seems like many of them "get" them just fine. Elitist, delusional jerks.

Before someone tells me that exists everywhere in every one of the silly categories of human beings we make for ourselves., i know that. Why I'm bringing this up is because I think it's important for people to level a little with the situation when it comes to stereotyping. While there are a lot of the people who pick on any other niche because it's different, judgemental people who just want to one-up someone else using anything they can get for whatever reason, I think it's also important to note that many people arn't like that...but a lot of so called gamers don't exactly try to make themselves likable people for them either. That's another reason why a person may be driven to have a negative stereotype of another "type" of person. No one likes to be irrationally talked down to.
Okay, perhaps you just know a lot of jerks that are also gamers. Most of the gamers I know are normal, nice people. A little quirky, yes, but not cocky as you so describe them. I am a gamer myself, and I'm not talking down to anyone. I usually leave people alone (I'm generally a pretty quiet person) and the only time I'm mean to someone is if they give me a reason to do so. A lot of people give me a reason to do so. You can't even begin to understand how much crap I've gotten throughout my life because I'm a geek.

Saying that "a lot" of gamers are cocky when you just happen to know a lot of cocky ones is hardly applicable. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, as that would be a lie, but you say that like it's generally true for most gamers -- which is basically stereotyping.
 
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