Why am I not in the SBR-B?

[Teran]

OTL is better than SBR, it has moar kittens and cookies.

 

[highfive]

OTL is better than SBR, it has moar kittens and cookies.

Indeed. Please pass the crumpets.

 

[Pierce7d]

I'm older than you.

You sir are an homosecksual.

That doesn't really negate my post at all, if you think about it.

The SBR should be like the Senate. Two Reps per character board. That way there is representation for each board. Then of course you can add more then that but at least have a base of 2 per.

No. To recap my opinion on this, why would I limit the number of intelligent players I could have helping to make important decisions and contributing to intelligent discussion?

my question is why Razer and ADHD aren't in SBR-B?

Good question. I don't know. I'm not in the SBR-B. Maybe if I ever get there, I could tell you, but I know because I'm good friends with ADHD that despite his youth, he's quite intelligent, and he's very talented (we practice a lot together)

quite a few people in this thread have said that making this thread will hurt your chances,
now I dont claim to much, if anything, about the SBR, however I would think that IF the SBR were the kind to childisly ignore this just because you asked for it, then you wouldnt want to be in there anyway.

if you had simply said "LET ME IN ******S" or something like that, or course you wouldnt be in, but instead you took the time to ask nicely (I noticed how he wasnt rude at all) and gave good reasoning as to why you should be in.

on top of that you've recieved quite a bit of support from others in this thread, you've also recived the opposite but most of those have been from people making themselves look stupid.

also someone said (CBF looking for who it was) that if this got you in, then the board would get spammed by similar threads, but theres no garuntee that that will happen, most people know wheter or not they would be consdiered for SBR matiriel (at least I hope so)
further more it wouldnt too much work for the sbr to read those threads and judge accordingly, they're always checking up stuff here anyway, worst comes to worst they could just ignore it and mods and other people of note could point them towards promising ones.

well thats my 2 cents, complete with plenty of spelling errors due to my reliance on spellcheckers for the majority of my life

This mostly sums up how I feel. Also, I didn't make this thread just to get into the SBR. I made this thread because I was feeling glum about it, and talking about it makes me feel better. Welcome to being a human being with real live emotions.

Pierce, I support you.

Next, I would like to agree here. The SBR should be revised a bit and have checks and balances with some moderators and the Tournament Organizers. On top of that, there should be proof of intelligent discussion. Really though, just 'cause we're members doesn't mean anything. We can boycott the SBR's opinion entirely. And until some form of reorganization occurs, I'm their opinion now (I love you guys, but it has been brought to my attention what the SBR could possibly be... and it should be far more balanced).

Thank you, but boycotting the SBR isn't a very good idea IMO. The SBR really isn't bad as far as I can tell. They are merely secretive, and this isn't by default a bad thing. I am secretive with many top level players, and I'm not in the SBR. For example, me and Neo have discovered a great deal many gay things one could do to Marth, but we don't exactly run around telling you, even though some of these things the Marth Back Room is told. Secrecy isn't always bad, and I think the SBR has done a fine job explaining how they came to major conclusions that affect us.

Furthermore, we would have to kick many people who main several Top Tiers, i.e. Meta Knight or Snake. So instead of, e.g. Mew2King, Tyrant, Dojo, Overswarm and many others, we could only have Mew2King and Tyrant (or Dojo or whomever) and that's pretty idiotic.

Additionally, not every character has 2 mains that would fit properly into the SBR. Bowser is a perfect example for this. Sliq is very inactive, and every other good Bowser plays someone else in tournaments or rarely at all. Also there'd be overlapping. People like NinjaLink would screw up this system.

I think the selection as it stands is very well thought out. I personally think some people should be purged, but I don't think there's any reason to forcefully squeeze people into the SBR that don't fit in but play character X.

Also, noone is forcing the SBR's rules or discussion results on you. If you don't want to believe the best and most knowledgeable Smashers on these forums, that's totally up to you. Noone forces you to use the SBR ruleset or believe what the SBR Tierlist says.

I agree with a lot of this.

Affirmative action, anyone? Considering how the SBR pretty much controls all creditable Smash competition, things like this shouldn't fly.

Uh, this is very different from Affirmative Action plainly on the concept that we don't have a limit to the number of people that could get added into the SBR, unlike how limited jobs are going around.

Okay. Think about this for a second. THESE WERE DONE BY VOTING. Holy crap how do people not understand what voting means? Do you think AlphaZealot voted on the tier list and weighted tournament results and match-ups a quantifiable way? Do you think that way was identical to the way Kel voted?

You are asking for something that doesn't exist. And isn't relevant to anything at all.



Inui hosts tournaments with no regards to the SBR recommended rule set. He goes by what his community wants. His tournaments have dramatically different stages than what the SBR list recommends.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

Xyro actively hosts tournaments with many stages that are deemed "questionable" and has no problem taking an extra step and banning MK every now and then. His tournaments aren't 100% SBR Rule Set approved.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

etc...

Well said

There isn't any Ness rep in the BRoom, so no Johns.
Unless you count Edreeses.

. . . this was a very poor way to get your opinion out. How does "No johns" apply to this situation at all. Furthermore, I don't think it's a good thing that Ness is under-represented in the SBR. I think that if there are intelligent and well spoken Ness mains out there, they should potentially be representing Ness in SBR, since SBR decides tier lists. Totally necessary? Not at all, but preferable? Yes. Also, I don't think tournament placing should have too much of an effect on whether you get in. Yes, you should do well in competition, but to say "Oh, you need to win a tournament to get into SBR" is basically saying "Haha, n00b, if you want in, you should've mained MK and it would've bolstered your chances.

In regards to part one, I don't think you understand what I'm asking. I'm fully aware they vote on things and I'd appreciate it if you didn't act like I was completely ********. What I want to know are the major points that brought up during discussions. (They still discuss things, right? I mean they do talk about things before voting or at least I'd like to think so.) Based on this, it would be reasonably easy to tell how people are going to vote on issues and, if they don't say anything, in opinion, they're not doing their job.

In regards to part two, both of them are part of the SBBR though so...



Regarding Part one, no, people are not needed just to represent a country because that's not what the SBBR is for. That's like saying that Yuna's only in the SBBR to represent Switzerland which represents an incredibly small part of the competitive community. (Truth be told, he's probably the only non-high ranking player I agree with being in the SBBR simply because he's probably one of the most knowledgable people on Smash Boards, period, and can intelligently explain himself in pretty much any situation.) Also, nothing stops Europeans from discussing things on the boards themselves and weighing on the opinions of those in higher positions.

IMO though not mandatory, I think it's important to get different representation from all over the world. Don't you think there's a larger chance of bias and exclusion if only American players were in the SBR? A lot of really prevelant TOs were included in the SBR, because of region. Different perspectives from different regions sounds pretty smart to me.

This whole thread is pretty sad <.<

Seeing as how the SBR gets their **** done (tier lists, recommended rulesets and stagesets) in a timely manner, is it really important for you to know everything that happens in the Back Room? Becoming recognized by the SBR and gaining membership is something you're supposed to work for, so you can see what's inside and join discussion and whatnot. If they told you everything that goes on in the Smash Back Room in this public forum, what's the point?

They're clearly competent; it really doesn't matter whether or not you know everything that goes on in there.

How does this make my thread sad? I'm posting a blog about myself about how I feel about a position. People are responding to it, and though the conversation has gotten slightly personally at times, I'd say it's pretty decent discussion going on in here.

You guys are foolish, there is a mentality that goes with being in the SBR. It's missing in this thread...for the most part...OP and fmoi

As for not knowing what goes on, you see how you guys act when you don't know whats going on? You wonder...and complain thats it!

If you did know you'd argue and complain...at least wondering is better then arguing xD

Generally you can assume how things are done. They present issues, vote/poll/talk about them, and then address them in the most appropriate manor...this is not some complicated or secret process

Once again, I say that I didn't make this thread to get into the SBR, I did it because it makes me feel better about NOT being in the SBR. Have you ever tried out for a team, and didn't make it, or wanted to be in a club or group, but got rejected? Well, I haven't been rejected per say (though it's annoying that when I was under consideration, things got swept away) but supposedly it "hurts my chances to ask" so I don't ask, and I just have to wait. It's annoying, and it bothers me, so I blog to feel better about it. It's pretty healthy, you should try it. Also, I don't think sitting by idly and "wondering" is better than complaining at all. What kind of government do you live under lad, and why have they brainwashed you? Most people here would agree that they are merely curious about what's in the SBR (and let's face it, for those who can't see, who the hell ISN'T curious?). You don't see riots on Smashboards saying "Let us in, let us in." Because the SBR is respected and trusted, so what are you talking about?

*Looked at entire thread*

God, such lulz and awesome posts.

I really should visit the User Blogs section more often.

Anyways, I feel that really good players should be allowed in no matter what character they main. Top players for each character usually place extremely well.

Ayaz is a Falcon main, and he placed 17th using pure Captain Falcon, at a fairly large Tournament.

Also, I heard that various individuals get in because of:

1.) Good Tournament results, considered a "pro"
2.) Their region needs a top representative
3.) They contribute a lot to the advancing metagame of Brawl

So, Pierce, I've been hearing about how good your Marth is. Since Emblem Lord dropped out, I'd suggest you keep working at it, ignore haters. Marth is used quite a bit, so a rep is needed.

I've heard the SBR is more of a socializing place, but they do create Tier Lists, and various rulesets. So... I can't say for certain whether it's boring, or whether it's totally worth it.

But, purple names kick *** and you get to brag, so go for it.

I've been wanting a "Smash Debater" status for quite some time, but I seem to get ignored, no matter how much I post there. So I know how you feel. :\

And I really wish Bwett would join, so Yoshi gets the proper rep he needs and relevant information regarding Yoshi is discussed when making Tier Lists, and whatnot.

I still feel top players should be allowed in, no matter how "unimportant" Tier Wh0res deem said character.

This. Also, I've been trying to tell people User Blogs are amazing now. It's one of the few boards I actually read.

♡Ooooo...I didn't go through all the posts...but Mr. Fatman looks like he can really voice his opinion and look good doing it. ^__^

This was purely QFT.

OTL is better than SBR, it has moar kittens and cookies.

Indeed. Please pass the crumpets.

. . . I want in.

 

[Xiivi]

Wait, people are seriously entertaining the idea of the SBR being only 2 reps per character?

"Lol, it works for the Senate!!"
That's because the House of Representatives exists as well.

You could say, that there would be a bare minimum requirement of 2 reps per character. That would be a better thing to argue for. Although silly.

It's obvious the SBR is currently preoccupied with getting REGIONAL balance. If you haven't noticed the high amount of European/WC brawlers added as of late. I think the idea of "character" balance is silly.

Ally plays a mean Captain Falcon. I'm sure he's just as knowledgeable, if not more, than people who insist on going all C. Fal. in a tournament and get top 16. I think he's all the representation C Fal needs in the SBR. Inui plays a mean Ganondorf from what I've heard. A lot of other top players also love to fiddle around with C Fal and Ganondorf as well. I'm sure between them all, they understand the characters well enough to judge their potential.

Believe it or not, a lot of the SBR players have probably played dedicated mains of the low tiered characters time and time again and probably aren't completely blind when it comes to seeing their tournament results. I find it odd people would think Hylian is only an authority on ICs or G&W when he's been to many regions and probably played top players of most characters plenty of times.

Low Tier characters are not completely shrouded in mystery, unable to be understood by players who do not main the characters. I remember reading SamuraiPanda once remarking how he read all of the character boards and was plenty familiar with them all. The members of the SBR aren't blind. They know what's going on.

Even though he isn't a SBR member, SuSa plays the entire cast essentially and I've seen him contribute to a ton of the character boards intelligently. It's silly to think someone can only be an authority on the character they main. And it's rather insulting to them.

Good players aren't good players just because they know their character inside and out. They usually know a lot of other characters well too. After all, they have to play dedicated mains of these characters time and time again and be aware of all of the options that character has in tournament play.

So yeah, throw that "every character needs 2 and only 2 reps in the SBR" stuff away, that's garbage.

I'd rather have M2K, Dojo, Tyrant, Omni, etc... in the SBR before I'd want the "top 2 cfal mains who only main cfal" in there making decisions.

 

[Tennet]

I did say AT LEAST 2 per board...

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

There shouldn't be a set number. The number should be allocated based on the tier list, kinda like the election, but that's based on population. So MK has the most, then Snake, etc.

I dunno this just makes the most sense to me.

 

[illinialex24]

It will likely hurt your chances but you should be in.

 

[da K.I.D.]

to be honest, some people who main better characters play their low tiers better than the people who main that character.

ally's CF is a good example.
vex kasrani is in my eyes the best bowser, but he mains D3 for tourneys.
between hylian and utd zac, and sk92 (if hes in) and a couple other peoplei think they ahve a generally balenced and fair view of sonics capabilitys. even though i would still like to represent not only sonic but my area, and my knowledge of the game in the sbr.

i thik ness and lucas have vast discrepancies in what people think of them tho which explains why they are together

point is, as long as multiple people can come together to show a strong knowledge of whatever character, it should be alright. mainage shouldnt determine your enterance to the sbr, if you know a lot aobut 1 (preferably many) characters and rulings, and things of that nature, you should be in

 

[Fatmanonice]

Wait, people are seriously entertaining the idea of the SBR being only 2 reps per character?

"Lol, it works for the Senate!!"
That's because the House of Representatives exists as well.

You could say, that there would be a bare minimum requirement of 2 reps per character. That would be a better thing to argue for. Although silly.

It's obvious the SBR is currently preoccupied with getting REGIONAL balance. If you haven't noticed the high amount of European/WC brawlers added as of late. I think the idea of "character" balance is silly.

Ally plays a mean Captain Falcon. I'm sure he's just as knowledgeable, if not more, than people who insist on going all C. Fal. in a tournament and get top 16. I think he's all the representation C Fal needs in the SBR. Inui plays a mean Ganondorf from what I've heard. A lot of other top players also love to fiddle around with C Fal and Ganondorf as well. I'm sure between them all, they understand the characters well enough to judge their potential.

Believe it or not, a lot of the SBR players have probably played dedicated mains of the low tiered characters time and time again and probably aren't completely blind when it comes to seeing their tournament results. I find it odd people would think Hylian is only an authority on ICs or G&W when he's been to many regions and probably played top players of most characters plenty of times.

Low Tier characters are not completely shrouded in mystery, unable to be understood by players who do not main the characters. I remember reading SamuraiPanda once remarking how he read all of the character boards and was plenty familiar with them all. The members of the SBR aren't blind. They know what's going on.

Even though he isn't a SBR member, SuSa plays the entire cast essentially and I've seen him contribute to a ton of the character boards intelligently. It's silly to think someone can only be an authority on the character they main. And it's rather insulting to them.

Good players aren't good players just because they know their character inside and out. They usually know a lot of other characters well too. After all, they have to play dedicated mains of these characters time and time again and be aware of all of the options that character has in tournament play.

So yeah, throw that "every character needs 2 and only 2 reps in the SBR" stuff away, that's garbage.

I'd rather have M2K, Dojo, Tyrant, Omni, etc... in the SBR before I'd want the "top 2 cfal mains who only main cfal" in there making decisions.

I really love how people keep interpreting what I said as "Ah DuRr, LeTz HaV 2 rAnDuMb JaCkOfFs RePrEsEnT cApToN fAiLcOn." Can we please, for the love of God, stay focused? If I can stay on track with my ADHD then ... *plays with car keys* ... so can the rest of you. Also, if you ask me, being an authority on a Smash character should not only involve knowing them top to bottom but also be successful with them in a competitive setting. This is where we seperate the men from the boys. In one corner, you have people who are experts in theory and, in the other, people who are experts in practice. For example, I am an undergraduate in Zoology. I consider myself very knowledgable when it comes to animals but, at this present time, I wouldn't know which end was up if I had to operate on a dog or cat.

Also, there's a large difference between people who main characters and people who use them as secondaries or "dabble with them", as you put it. No, I wouldn't say that Ally is an authority on Captain Falcon simply because he uses him when he's bored. His authority on Snake I wouldn't dare question but calling him on a expert on Captain Falcon would genuinely be insulting to people who depend on him as their main and consistently pour work into trying to rank and learning his matchups inside and out. For example, people say that Mew2king could kick the crap out of anyone using any character but does he? Nope; from what I've seen, he's pretty much used Metaknight exclusively since like last May when he dropped King Dedede. Again, a case of being an expert in theory and an expert in practice when it comes to other characters.

Disclaimer: After 12 am Central time, I'm not debating anymore in this thread. When it comes to debates, I have a three day rule because, as past experience has shown, people rarely completely change their opinions so they'll just drag out debates until one or both parties becomes bored or completely pissed off. As horrifically ironic as it may seem, it just makes things easier on everyone.

 

[Chaco]

Is there Yoshi rep?

 

[Fatmanonice]

From what I know, Mario, Luigi, Zelda, Lucario, Ness, and a few others don't really have reps either.

 

[Dabuz]

From what I know, Mario, Luigi, Zelda, Lucario, Ness, and a few others don't really have reps either.

yes, but except for boss for luigi and FOW for ness, there are no good players of those characters

 

[Hylian]

Fatmanonice it's nice that you think our criteria for adding people should involve the character they play, but it doesn't at all.

I have never added someone to the SBR based on the character they play. And I never will.



Would you like to try running the SBR? Deciding who gets in, projects to work on, discussion, moderating correctly, keeping things from being leaked...No matter what we do, we are going to get flak for it. It's impossible to please everyone. I assure you we know what we are doing when it comes to accomplishing goals we have. Your views may be different then mine, but they are both good-intentioned I'm sure.

And again, we are not in control of anyone. TO's are not required to follow our rulesets. You do not have to agree with our tier list. You won't be chastised for disagreeing with us either. I'm not claiming everyone in the sbr is amazing in some way, but everyone is in there for a reason at least, or at least since I was put in charge with Marc/AZ. We also purged over 100 people when we were put in charge.

We have good intentions and you are thinking about this too hard. We're just a bunch of people discussing smash .

 

[rocklee10]

Fatmanonice it's nice that you think our criteria for adding people should involve the character they play, but it doesn't at all.

I have never added someone to the SBR based on the character they play. And I never will.



Would you like to try running the SBR? Deciding who gets in, projects to work on, discussion, moderating correctly, keeping things from being leaked...No matter what we do, we are going to get flak for it. It's impossible to please everyone. I assure you we know what we are doing when it comes to accomplishing goals we have. Your views may be different then mine, but they are both good-intentioned I'm sure.

And again, we are not in control of anyone. TO's are not required to follow our rulesets. You do not have to agree with our tier list. You won't be chastised for disagreeing with us either. I'm not claiming everyone in the sbr is amazing in some way, but everyone is in there for a reason at least, or at least since I was put in charge with Marc/AZ. We also purged over 100 people when we were put in charge.

We have good intentions and you are thinking about this too hard. We're just a bunch of people discussing smash .

Not trying to be pushy, but how do you join the SBR? I always wondered.

 

[stingers]

The 2 reps per character is a fine idea on paper. But due to all the very skilled people that wouldn't get in because of it and all the undeserving reps there would be because they main a character nobody uses, it doesn't really work out too well.

However, letting every ROB main in the SBR is a very good idea and I support that.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Fatmanonice it's nice that you think our criteria for adding people should involve the character they play, but it doesn't at all.

I have never added someone to the SBR based on the character they play. And I never will.



Would you like to try running the SBR? Deciding who gets in, projects to work on, discussion, moderating correctly, keeping things from being leaked...No matter what we do, we are going to get flak for it. It's impossible to please everyone. I assure you we know what we are doing when it comes to accomplishing goals we have. Your views may be different then mine, but they are both good-intentioned I'm sure.

And again, we are not in control of anyone. TO's are not required to follow our rulesets. You do not have to agree with our tier list. You won't be chastised for disagreeing with us either. I'm not claiming everyone in the sbr is amazing in some way, but everyone is in there for a reason at least, or at least since I was put in charge with Marc/AZ. We also purged over 100 people when we were put in charge.

We have good intentions and you are thinking about this too hard. We're just a bunch of people discussing smash .

... works for me. Really, I don't want to run the SBBR, I just want to be more aware of what's going on. As of late, I've seen a lot of people who are discontent with the SBBR for various reasons. As the wise sage Bill Cosby once said, "I don't know what the key to success is but I do know what the key to failure is: trying to please everyone" but the atmosphere has definately changed in the past couple of months and it's like more people don't fully don't understand what's going on. I feel, in a sense, less connected to the community despite being on here for just as much time as I have in the past. In the past, I didn't question the SBBR very often but now I often find myself raising an eyebrow to various statements on a regular basis. It's like when you say something, I can't think of a time where I strongly disagreed but, for a recent example, someone else from the SBBR mentioned the other day that one of Ganondorf's best edgeguarding moves was his utilt and didn't exlain why even when I questioned him about it. Am I chatising him for being wrong? No, I'm chatising him for not even trying to defend such a bold statement. Someone could claim that there was a nuke silo under every McDonalds in the world and I would at least acknowledge their opinion if they bothered to explain it.

I personally feel like the SBBR has lost its sense of authority because of newer members speaking too much and older (and more qualified if you ask me), saying even less in public. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of like working in a restaurant and how, as new employees are hired, the older employees keep more to themselves and the other long working employees after the new guys have been shown what to do and because of this, the new people become more of the face of the restaurant except for a few of the "high ranking' employees like the manager, head chef, etc.

*looks at the time* Again, I will talk about this with Hylian and only Hylian if he wants to go on. As far as I'm concerned, I'm done here; I've said what I've wanted to say and it would be gravy if other people talked about this amongst themselves.

 

[TP]

Also, there's a large difference between people who main characters and people who use them as secondaries or "dabble with them", as you put it. No, I wouldn't say that Ally is an authority on Captain Falcon simply because he uses him when he's bored. His authority on Snake I wouldn't dare question but calling him on a expert on Captain Falcon would genuinely be insulting to people who depend on him as their main and consistently pour work into trying to rank and learning his matchups inside and out.

This is a good point. Inui claimed that he was the best Ganon a few weeks ago, even though he doesn't main Ganon, use Ganon in tourney, or use Ganon in the finals of low tier tourneys. When Inui said that, I was honestly insulted. That post of his was what made me change my mind about the SBR. I viewed them as the leaders of the community, but now I see them as a group of friends who are completely unrelated to the rest of us. I know some of them are great people who are responsible enough to realize that they are supposed to represent thousands of people, but others don't give a **** about the community. I don't want one or two mains of every character in the SBR because it balances the tier list discussion. I want them in because those are the people who care about the community as a whole.

 

[Red Arremer]

@FMOI:
The top hat thing from the SBR has absolutely no relation to the OTL's top hat fad, it just happens that it's basically the same.

@Twilight Prince:
Using Inui is a bad example, his arrogancy and cockiness is everywhere, that's just his personality, and it's not like everyone in the SBR is like him, or of the same opinion as him.

 

[TP]

@Twilight Prince:
Using Inui is a bad example, his arrogancy and cockiness is everywhere, that's just his personality, and it's not like everyone in the SBR is like him, or of the same opinion as him.

Fair enough, but can you honestly say that most of the SBR cares about the average member of this forum? You would know better than me.

 

[Red Arremer]

Not everyone, but at least a few, myself included.

Otherwise I wouldn't even care to post here, now would I?

 

[TP]

Not everyone, but at least a few, myself included.

Otherwise I wouldn't even care to post here, now would I?

In posting here, you have proved that you do care. I was not concerned about you, since I have liked reading your posts for months. It's the people who never post outside of the SBR and their regional board that are a mystery. If they don't care about the community as a whole, they aren't really fit to lead it IMO, no matter how good they are.

 

[Katapultar]

Must be annoying when you are better than others in a way, yet you are ignored. Being ignored is not fun, I know that. It must be hard for you, especially to get acceptance.

 

[Pierce7d]

I really love how people keep interpreting what I said as "Ah DuRr, LeTz HaV 2 rAnDuMb JaCkOfFs RePrEsEnT cApToN fAiLcOn." Can we please, for the love of God, stay focused? If I can stay on track with my ADHD then ... *plays with car keys* ... so can the rest of you. Also, if you ask me, being an authority on a Smash character should not only involve knowing them top to bottom but also be successful with them in a competitive setting. This is where we seperate the men from the boys. In one corner, you have people who are experts in theory and, in the other, people who are experts in practice. For example, I am an undergraduate in Zoology. I consider myself very knowledgable when it comes to animals but, at this present time, I wouldn't know which end was up if I had to operate on a dog or cat.

Also, there's a large difference between people who main characters and people who use them as secondaries or "dabble with them", as you put it. No, I wouldn't say that Ally is an authority on Captain Falcon simply because he uses him when he's bored. His authority on Snake I wouldn't dare question but calling him on a expert on Captain Falcon would genuinely be insulting to people who depend on him as their main and consistently pour work into trying to rank and learning his matchups inside and out. For example, people say that Mew2king could kick the crap out of anyone using any character but does he? Nope; from what I've seen, he's pretty much used Metaknight exclusively since like last May when he dropped King Dedede. Again, a case of being an expert in theory and an expert in practice when it comes to other characters.

Disclaimer: After 12 am Central time, I'm not debating anymore in this thread. When it comes to debates, I have a three day rule because, as past experience has shown, people rarely completely change their opinions so they'll just drag out debates until one or both parties becomes bored or completely pissed off. As horrifically ironic as it may seem, it just makes things easier on everyone.

Ally is probably smarter and more knowledge about C. Falcon than almost every C. Falcon main, and most C. Falcon fanatics. His superior knowledge about the game in general allows him to come to better conclusions. Am I saying he's the best? No. But he's pretty **** qualified IMO.

[SBR doesn't say,] "Haha, n00b, if you want in, you should've mained MK and it would've bolstered your chances."

We have good intentions and you are thinking about this too hard. We're just a bunch of people discussing smash .

Exactly, which is why I want in.

 

[Teran]

@FMOI:
The top hat thing from the SBR has absolutely no relation to the OTL's top hat fad, it just happens that it's basically the same.

Lies and ****ing slander.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Lies and ****ing slander.

Cyrus, has anyone told you lately that you're awesome?

 

[Teran]

Cyrus, has anyone told you lately that you're awesome?

Hahahaha on occasion yes. XD
I get called a prick or a troll more often, so compliments are always nice.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Hahahaha on occasion yes. XD
I get called a prick or a troll more often, so compliments are always nice.

Same here. I might as well be a mix between Donald Duck and Dennis Leary the way that some people talk about me.

 

[Red Arremer]

Lies and ****ing slander.

If Supermodel from Paris was in fact getting that idea of the SBR being only tophats sipping brandy, then yes, I might be incorrect. Otherwise I'm pretty sure they're independent from each other.

Though I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to butt in to you and FMOI pat each others' backs. Don't mind me, go on.

 

[XSilvenX]

Pierced, it's your post count. Apparently you need to spam the boards with useless crap to get to 4-5k and then you'll probably be looked at. ^_~

 

[Red Arremer]

Pierced, it's your post count. Apparently you need to spam the boards with useless crap to get to 4-5k and then you'll probably be looked at.

That's why some members of the SBR didn't even reach 500 posts, right?

 

[XSilvenX]

That's why some members of the SBR didn't even reach 500 posts, right?

That's why I can't use internet sarcasm because people will take it literally right?

 

[Red Arremer]

That's why I can't use internet sarcasm because people will take it literally right?

Depends. That wasn't clear sarcasm because there are people who think that's how you get into the SBR.

 

[Fatmanonice]

If Supermodel from Paris was in fact getting that idea of the SBR being only tophats sipping brandy, then yes, I might be incorrect. Otherwise I'm pretty sure they're independent from each other.

Though I'm very sorry, I didn't mean to butt in to you and FMOI pat each others' backs. Don't mind me, go on.

Hey, every turn deserves another. You copy the top hats and monocles and we'll copy your proud tradition of circle jerking; it's only fair.

 

[Red Arremer]

Hey, every turn deserves another. You copy the top hats and monocles and we'll copy your proud tradition of circle jerking; it's only fair.

Touché. I'll make a comeback when you'll least expect it, mark my words.

 

[Heartz♥]

But, purple names kick *** and you get to brag, so go for it.

Quoted for truth. Purple is the sex, and I can never have it since I suck.

 

[ANTi_]

Most texas players are SBR.

Move to texas Pierce.

EDIT:Blue > Purple.

 

[Heartz♥]

Blue > Purple.

I am pretty sure we are fooling ourselves.

 

[:mad:]

Anti's onto something...

Blue IS better than purple!

 

[Fatmanonice]

Touché. I'll make a comeback when you'll least expect it, mark my words.

Oh please, grudges on forums are laughable at best... we'll be on decent terms in like a week. Do you know how many people I've butted skulls with and probably legitimately pissed off in the past in long, lengthy debates? Probably over 4 dozen in the past three years including Hylian, Yuna, Kyari, and even Mew2king. Do you know how many enemies I have on this forum? None. If you can walk away from this not being entirely butt hurt and then agree with me on another topic another day then I salute you. You merely got in the crossfire due to your rank and the fact that you were here. If it wasn't you, it probably would have been Sky or Dr.Marioguy or some other guy in the SBBR based on the topic alone. Like I said like two pages back, you're keeping your rank and I'm just one person who can express my opinions in full (if not obnoxious at times) detail. What's said has been said so we'll just leave it at that and run into each again sometime in the future.

 

[Heartz♥]

Anti's onto something...

Blue IS better than purple!

This post is bad and you should feel bad.