Why am I not in the SBR-B?

[Heartz♥]

It's because you are black, most likely.

jk.

And don't worry. Rants help a lot.

 

[Red Arremer]

'definitely' can not be be used on something unquantifiable like mental age, it just kills the credibility of your opinion

In this case a "definitely" is pretty clear. Look at Pierce's postings and his style of discussion and then at Ophelia's. Calling someone a "homosecksual" doesn't really speak of maturity, especially in a community where gays aren't too uncommon.

 

[Teran]

Maybe you're physically older, but with these words, you definitely are younger than him mentally.

Not necessarily.
Making puerile jokes doesn't show immaturity.

There are people on this site who will "act" all mature and talk like they are, but when it comes to decisions in life and their ability to keep their emotional health together, they're as ****ing lost as a toddler who crapped his diaper.

No, puerile jokes do not show immaturity, they show an appreciation of an immature sense of humour.

Oh ho ho ho.

 

[slikvik]

^^^I like this guy

if you can answer my question, i will recommend you to the others for SBR membership.


How many broilers does it take to broil a broiler that broils broilers

it would take all the broilers that are needed to broil a broiler if broilers could broil broilers

xyro ...****

 

[Megavitamins]

Really, I'm srsly not racist or anything, but I remember being surprised to find out that ninjalink was black. It's just that the majority of smashers are white, asian, or hispanic or something, as far as I know. I remember the day I first found out Jimi Hendrix was black. :o.

Nuhuh I'm like the only asian guy at tournaments with a few others when I go lmao.

 

[OFY]

^^^I like this guy

Second.

Btw go die in a housefire spadefox.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Wow, that's seriously sad bro. I respect those who actually take the time to study and become knowledgeable about low tier characters. IMO, that shows true dedication.

Also, to all of those that have voiced your support and approval on this thread, thank you. Naturally, it makes one feel better to be supported.

lucky, All I can do is hurt people down and try to show them stuff or encouage them and remember if something sucks for you then there is someone 100x more F***ed but they endure, so just learn more and push the limits try to find a pillar or chain throw or throw hit grab or a glicth and etc. And if you keep going you will be the limit and the guy who everyone asks for advice.

If they had one for 64 they would let iasi in due to pure skill

 

[Tennet]

The SBR should be like the Senate. Two Reps per character board. That way there is representation for each board. Then of course you can add more then that but at least have a base of 2 per.

 

[The Cunning Weasel]

my question is why Razer and ADHD aren't in SBR-B?

 

[luke_atyeo]

quite a few people in this thread have said that making this thread will hurt your chances,
now I dont claim to much, if anything, about the SBR, however I would think that IF the SBR were the kind to childisly ignore this just because you asked for it, then you wouldnt want to be in there anyway.

if you had simply said "LET ME IN ******S" or something like that, or course you wouldnt be in, but instead you took the time to ask nicely (I noticed how he wasnt rude at all) and gave good reasoning as to why you should be in.

on top of that you've recieved quite a bit of support from others in this thread, you've also recived the opposite but most of those have been from people making themselves look stupid.

also someone said (CBF looking for who it was) that if this got you in, then the board would get spammed by similar threads, but theres no garuntee that that will happen, most people know wheter or not they would be consdiered for SBR matiriel (at least I hope so)
further more it wouldnt too much work for the sbr to read those threads and judge accordingly, they're always checking up stuff here anyway, worst comes to worst they could just ignore it and mods and other people of note could point them towards promising ones.

well thats my 2 cents, complete with plenty of spelling errors due to my reliance on spellcheckers for the majority of my life

 

[|RK|]

Pierce, I support you.

Next, I would like to agree here. The SBR should be revised a bit and have checks and balances with some moderators and the Tournament Organizers. On top of that, there should be proof of intelligent discussion. Really though, just 'cause we're members doesn't mean anything. We can boycott the SBR's opinion entirely. And until some form of reorganization occurs, I'm their opinion now (I love you guys, but it has been brought to my attention what the SBR could possibly be... and it should be far more balanced).

 

[stingers]

I think re-organizing the SBR to have 2 representatives for every character sounds pretty fair. The only problem would be Overlap, and lack of reputable people to fill those spots. I mean, 2 Ganondorf and Falcon mains in the SBR? I can't think of many people that would be good there.

 

[Red Arremer]

Furthermore, we would have to kick many people who main several Top Tiers, i.e. Meta Knight or Snake. So instead of, e.g. Mew2King, Tyrant, Dojo, Overswarm and many others, we could only have Mew2King and Tyrant (or Dojo or whomever) and that's pretty idiotic.

Additionally, not every character has 2 mains that would fit properly into the SBR. Bowser is a perfect example for this. Sliq is very inactive, and every other good Bowser plays someone else in tournaments or rarely at all. Also there'd be overlapping. People like NinjaLink would screw up this system.

I think the selection as it stands is very well thought out. I personally think some people should be purged, but I don't think there's any reason to forcefully squeeze people into the SBR that don't fit in but play character X.

Also, noone is forcing the SBR's rules or discussion results on you. If you don't want to believe the best and most knowledgeable Smashers on these forums, that's totally up to you. Noone forces you to use the SBR ruleset or believe what the SBR Tierlist says.

 

[luke_atyeo]

as if Koskinator (as I understand it he's the best ganon on these boards) wouldnt make an awesome addition to the SBR

 

[Sliq]

Furthermore, we would have to kick many people who main several Top Tiers, i.e. Meta Knight or Snake. So instead of, e.g. Mew2King, Tyrant, Dojo, Overswarm and many others, we could only have Mew2King and Tyrant (or Dojo or whomever) and that's pretty idiotic.

Additionally, not every character has 2 mains that would fit properly into the SBR. Bowser is a perfect example for this. Sliq is very inactive, and every other good Bowser plays someone else in tournaments or rarely at all. Also there'd be overlapping. People like NinjaLink would screw up this system.

I think the selection as it stands is very well thought out. I personally think some people should be purged, but I don't think there's any reason to forcefully squeeze people into the SBR that don't fit in but play character X.

Also, noone is forcing the SBR's rules or discussion results on you. If you don't want to believe the best and most knowledgeable Smashers on these forums, that's totally up to you. Noone forces you to use the SBR ruleset or believe what the SBR Tierlist says.

I'm only inactive due to lack of time. I'd be more active if I had more spare time...

 

[Fatmanonice]

What? lol. Sorry, I really like you, FMOI, and you're a cool guy, but this is BS.
ESPECIALLY in the past 3 months the SBRoom was cleaned of people who don't play Brawl/only play Melee/whatever. Sure, there still are some, but that's probably because the last removal of inactive members has been ago quite some time now.
The most newer additions were people like Reflex, Fiction, DEHF or Sky', people who know their stuff and place constantly, as well as Tero and myself, mainly to represent Europe in the SBR. Are you saying we, those newer additions, are "everyone and their grandma"?

Edit: Oh, and about that "friendship" stuff... I've never had much contact to any SBRoomer and especially its leaders prior to me becoming an SBRoomer myself.

Affirmative action, anyone? Considering how the SBR pretty much controls all creditable Smash competition, things like this shouldn't fly. I also have a beef with some of the people who have been given MOD positions as of late but at least they don't make decisions that affect the entire community and have responsibilities that are essential for this site to run smoothly.

Reflex and Fiction deserve their spots, no questions asked. They are great examples of what I'm talking about. They not only place very often but are known to win tournaments too and know their characters inside and out. Sky, on the other hand, I wouldn't categorize like this. Reflex and Fiction, as Wario players, could be compared to people like Edrees or Dark Peach, as Peach players, but I couldn't say the same about him. He's good, but not good enough to the standards the SBBR should have. If you ask me, people in the SBBR should be compared to people like Chu Dat, Anther, Ally, or theBoss8, top players with their respective characters and are pretty much the people who develop the "theory", so to speak, of their characters.

Now, with all that I've said, would you say that you fully and completely deserve to have your position? Don't feel like I'm picking on you because there are definately other people who I would ask this question like Nothingrhymeswithcircus. As someone else said, I really like the idea of the SBBR of having no more than 2 reps per character and those reps having the creditials of being called "experts" of not only their character but Smash in general and having impressive records with their characters (let's be honest, Ganon mains aren't going to rank very often even if they're Godly.)

Hmm... there are other things too like how I'd like to know more about how the SBBR makes their decisions. For example, a lot of questions have been asked of the tier list as of late. How much is weighed on tournament results and how much is weighed on changes in match ups? Summaries of changes in positions would be amazing but, for God knows what reason, people get mad at me when I ask this as if I asked for something completely and horrifically unreasonable. What about stage bans? Again, little or no explanations despite these being big decisions. I also believe that SBBR members should be elected to their positions by tournament directors and MODs through elections held once a year but that's a subject for another time...

You mentioned that people could simply ignore the SBBR's rulings but the problem with that is that their tournaments lose all creditbility then. Even if the tournament involves a 100+ people, the rankings will not be recorded and the people will not be taken seriously, both of which are pretty big deals in a community so large and spread across the world.

As an ending note, I know you're well above this but just for the sake of keeping Pandora's box closed PLEASE don't question my right to the question the SBBR. I believe that everyone, from people who have had accounts here for 5 years to 5 minutes, has the right to do so because of what they represent, the smash community as a whole. The reason the SBBR has power in the first place is because people listen to their decisions and deem them as credible even when they are questionable to the more decerning eye. In short, the SBBR kind of acts like a government and, as such, I think it should be treated more as such. Yeah, I'm fully and completely aware that this is just a video game forum but I believe anyone being given power and responsibility over others is a big deal.

 

[TP]

Epic post.

Bravo, FMOI. That is the single best post I have ever seen. I agree with every word you just said, and would gladly bare your child if you asked.

Actually, I do disagree with one thing. TOs electing the SBR members would cause all sorts of bias.

But besides that, beautiful post.

 

[Xiivi]

How much is weighed on tournament results and how much is weighed on changes in match ups? What about stage bans?

Okay. Think about this for a second. THESE WERE DONE BY VOTING. Holy crap how do people not understand what voting means? Do you think AlphaZealot voted on the tier list and weighted tournament results and match-ups a quantifiable way? Do you think that way was identical to the way Kel voted?

You are asking for something that doesn't exist. And isn't relevant to anything at all.

You mentioned that people could simply ignore the SBBR's rulings but the problem with that is that their tournaments lose all creditbility then. Even if the tournament involves a 100+ people, the rankings will not be recorded and the people will not be taken seriously, both of which are pretty big deals in a community so large and spread across the world.

Inui hosts tournaments with no regards to the SBR recommended rule set. He goes by what his community wants. His tournaments have dramatically different stages than what the SBR list recommends.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

Xyro actively hosts tournaments with many stages that are deemed "questionable" and has no problem taking an extra step and banning MK every now and then. His tournaments aren't 100% SBR Rule Set approved.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

etc...

That is the single best post I have ever seen.

Oh please no. Just no.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

There isn't any Ness rep in the BRoom, so no Johns.
Unless you count Edreeses.

 

[Red Arremer]

Affirmative action, anyone? Considering how the SBR pretty much controls all creditable Smash competition, things like this shouldn't fly. I also have a beef with some of the people who have been given MOD positions as of late but at least they don't make decisions that affect the entire community and have responsibilities that are essential for this site to run smoothly.

This is not of my concern. The SBR has pretty much nothing to do with the staff, other than there's a few staff members in the SBR. That's all.
And why shouldn't it fly? I am a player who represents a whole country all alone, the SBR is meant to be a worldwide project, and there's like 10 Europeans in there, out of which 7 are Dutch. Europe does deserve representation and its right to speak with the American players.

So, what is so awful about me in there? Do you think I'm an idiot knowing nothing about the game? Or that I can't discuss properly? Or just because you haven't heard of me?

Reflex and Fiction deserve their spots, no questions asked. They are great examples of what I'm talking about. They not only place very often but are known to win tournaments too and know their characters inside and out. Sky, on the other hand, I wouldn't categorize like this. Reflex and Fiction, as Wario players, could be compared to people like Edrees or Dark Peach, as Peach players, but I couldn't say the same about him. He's good, but not good enough to the standards the SBBR should have. If you ask me, people in the SBBR should be compared to people like Chu Dat, Anther, Ally, or theBoss8, top players with their respective characters and are pretty much the people who develop the "theory", so to speak, of their characters.

If you think so about Sky', your entitled to your opinion then. He has contributed well thought-out points and arguments in our discussions, and knows the game pretty good. He may not know as much as other Peach mains, but we have Edrees in there, too. Dark.Pch may know much about Peach, but he can't properly discuss, hence he probably will never be in the SBR.
Anther and ChuDat are in the SBR, and I don't know why boss isn't, but I'm sure there's a reason, and may it be that the SBR leaders haven't decided to take him in yet.

Now, with all that I've said, would you say that you fully and completely deserve to have your position? Don't feel like I'm picking on you because there are definately other people who I would ask this question like Nothingrhymeswithcircus.

Yes, I do think I deserve this position. I'm one of the most knowledgeable German-speaking Brawl players, I know how to properly debate, and I'm hosting tournaments (or rather plan to host a big one). I don't see any problem with my inclusion. And Nothingrhymeswithcircus is in the Backroom, not in the Smash Backroom. The BR is different to the SBR.

As someone else said, I really like the idea of the SBBR of having no more than 2 reps per character and those reps having the creditials of being called "experts" of not only their character but Smash in general and having impressive records with their characters (let's be honest, Ganon mains aren't going to rank very often even if they're Godly.)

So you'd kick Dojo for some Captain Falcon?

Hmm... there are other things too like how I'd like to know more about how the SBBR makes their decisions. For example, a lot of questions have been asked of the tier list as of late. How much is weighed on tournament results and how much is weighed on changes in match ups? Summaries of changes in positions would be amazing but, for God knows what reason, people get mad at me when I ask this as if I asked for something completely and horrifically unreasonable. What about stage bans? Again, little or no explanations despite these being big decisions. I also believe that SBBR members should be elected to their positions by tournament directors and MODs through elections held once a year but that's a subject for another time...

When you have asked about Wario's jump in the tier list thread, I gave you a huge posting why he got his position. Have you ignored it? Jerk.
Besides this, I can't say how much the voters have tournament results in their mind when voting. I'm not a medium, sorry, as much as I'd like to answer your question here.

The tier list positions are determined by voting. How the characters changed their position is standing in the OP, just look at the digits next to them.

You mentioned that people could simply ignore the SBBR's rulings but the problem with that is that their tournaments lose all creditbility then. Even if the tournament involves a 100+ people, the rankings will not be recorded and the people will not be taken seriously, both of which are pretty big deals in a community so large and spread across the world.

What Xiivi said. Also, yes. Of course. If I am part of the 100m Running commitee, I don't want to take 200m Running results into account. Is that so hard to understand?

As an ending note, I know you're well above this but just for the sake of keeping Pandora's box closed PLEASE don't question my right to the question the SBBR. I believe that everyone, from people who have had accounts here for 5 years to 5 minutes, has the right to do so because of what they represent, the smash community as a whole. The reason the SBBR has power in the first place is because people listen to their decisions and deem them as credible even when they are questionable to the more decerning eye. In short, the SBBR kind of acts like a government and, as such, I think it should be treated more as such. Yeah, I'm fully and completely aware that this is just a video game forum but I believe anyone being given power and responsibility over others is a big deal.

Uhm, no? I think there's a difference in weight of importance. Not about the join date, but rather about their knowledge and experience of the game. If Pierce says something about the game, it usually means that it's facts or well researched opinion, but if LinkMastah13243234 says Link is S Tier and pwns everyone else, I think I'm good to go if I ignore his "point", because it's wrong.
Sure, the SBR represents the Smash Community, but what else but a technocracy would make sense? The best and most knowledgeable players and TOs get there. What else do you need?

A competitive community doesn't need democracy when it comes to selecting their representatives since those are determined by tournaments, may it be hosting or winning them.

@Sliq:
I just was using Bowser's mains as an example, that wasn't meant to be an allegation towards you.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Part One: Okay. Think about this for a second. THESE WERE DONE BY VOTING. Holy crap how do people not understand what voting means? Do you think AlphaZealot voted on the tier list and weighted tournament results and match-ups a quantifiable way? Do you think that way was identical to the way Kel voted?

You are asking for something that doesn't exist. And isn't relevant to anything at all.



Part Two: Inui hosts tournaments with no regards to the SBR recommended rule set. He goes by what his community wants. His tournaments have dramatically different stages than what the SBR list recommends.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

Xyro actively hosts tournaments with many stages that are deemed "questionable" and has no problem taking an extra step and banning MK every now and then. His tournaments aren't 100% SBR Rule Set approved.

His tournaments matter. A lot.

etc...

In regards to part one, I don't think you understand what I'm asking. I'm fully aware they vote on things and I'd appreciate it if you didn't act like I was completely ********. What I want to know are the major points that brought up during discussions. (They still discuss things, right? I mean they do talk about things before voting or at least I'd like to think so.) Based on this, it would be reasonably easy to tell how people are going to vote on issues and, if they don't say anything, in opinion, they're not doing their job.

In regards to part two, both of them are part of the SBBR though so...

Part one:This is not of my concern. The SBR has pretty much nothing to do with the staff, other than there's a few staff members in the SBR. That's all.
And why shouldn't it fly? I am a player who represents a whole country all alone, the SBR is meant to be a worldwide project, and there's like 10 Europeans in there, out of which 7 are Dutch. Europe does deserve representation and its right to speak with the American players.



Part two: So, what is so awful about me in there? Do you think I'm an idiot knowing nothing about the game? Or that I can't discuss properly? Or just because you haven't heard of me?



Part three:If you think so about Sky', your entitled to your opinion then. He has contributed well thought-out points and arguments in our discussions, and knows the game pretty good. He may not know as much as other Peach mains, but we have Edrees in there, too. Dark.Pch may know much about Peach, but he can't properly discuss, hence he probably will never be in the SBR.
Anther and ChuDat are in the SBR, and I don't know why boss isn't, but I'm sure there's a reason, and may it be that the SBR leaders haven't decided to take him in yet.



Part four:Yes, I do think I deserve this position. I'm one of the most knowledgeable German-speaking Brawl players, I know how to properly debate, and I'm hosting tournaments (or rather plan to host a big one). I don't see any problem with my inclusion. And Nothingrhymeswithcircus is in the Backroom, not in the Smash Backroom. The BR is different to the SBR.



Part Five: So you'd kick Dojo for some Captain Falcon?



Part six: When you have asked about Wario's jump in the tier list thread, I gave you a huge posting why he got his position. Have you ignored it? Jerk.
Besides this, I can't say how much the voters have tournament results in their mind when voting. I'm not a medium, sorry, as much as I'd like to answer your question here.

Part seven:The tier list positions are determined by voting. How the characters changed their position is standing in the OP, just look at the digits next to them.



Part eight:What Xiivi said. Also, yes. Of course. If I am part of the 100m Running commitee, I don't want to take 200m Running results into account. Is that so hard to understand?



Part nine: Uhm, no? I think there's a difference in weight of importance. Not about the join date, but rather about their knowledge and experience of the game. If Pierce says something about the game, it usually means that it's facts or well researched opinion, but if LinkMastah13243234 says Link is S Tier and pwns everyone else, I think I'm good to go if I ignore his "point", because it's wrong.
Sure, the SBR represents the Smash Community, but what else but a technocracy would make sense? The best and most knowledgeable players and TOs get there. What else do you need?

Part ten:A competitive community doesn't need democracy when it comes to selecting their representatives since those are determined by tournaments, may it be hosting or winning them.

Regarding Part one, no, people are not needed just to represent a country because that's not what the SBBR is for. That's like saying that Yuna's only in the SBBR to represent Switzerland which represents an incredibly small part of the competitive community. (Truth be told, he's probably the only non-high ranking player I agree with being in the SBBR simply because he's probably one of the most knowledgable people on Smash Boards, period, and can intelligently explain himself in pretty much any situation.) Also, nothing stops Europeans from discussing things on the boards themselves and weighing on the opinions of those in higher positions.

Regarding Part two, no offense but you are not an expert and you are not one of the most noteworthy players. Expert is a word that is tossed around a lot and, truth be told, it really only applies to a handful of people. I would even go as far as saying that each character board probably has an average of two at most. When people mention Fox, you are not one of the first people brought up or when someone has a question, you are not one of the first people feel like they can turn to for a good answer. These are the kind of people that should be in the SBBR. Also, if I haven't heard of your accomplishments with your respective character, that's usually not a good sign especially since I've been here since 2006. Obviously, I don't know everyone here but I visit all the character boards on a regular basis to check on things and when it comes to Fox, you're still unknown to me.

Regarding Part three, well God, I could list probably a dozen people who are fantastic at discussing but who shouldn't be in the SBBR because they don't have the tournament results to back them up. People say that I can clearly and concisely express my ideas and am knowledgable of Smash in general but may a fat woman fall from the sky on top of me if I get put into the SBBR anytime soon. Personally, I'd be angry if I were asked because, like I keep saying, there's an enormous difference between knowing something and be able to put it into practice with a considerable amount of competence.

Regarding Part four, okay, under your logic I should be in the SBBR too. I'm one of the biggest online tournament directors on the web, I'm currently hosting my 10th tournament (the 8th with a cash prize), I've hosted four tournaments with 64 people, I've had an account here for almost three years, I'm very knowledgable about Smash in general, of the the thirteen tournaments that I've been in, I've never ranked below 8th except in two (one where I got ***** by Dabuz (an Olimar who actually beat Anther in one of my 64 man tournaments in the finals) in the second round and the other where Ally wrecked my Mario in the first), I regularly visit all the character boards to keep up to date on matchups/techs, I will sometimes spend as long as three hours writing a post (I'm at about an hour and half for this one right now), blah, blah blah, hamburgers. Under this logic, I actually have more creditials then you but even then I'm no where near deserving. Why? For starters, I've never won a tournament and the highest I've gotten was second. Second (ZOMG, the same word was used twice in a row), I couldn't be called an expert on any character (on the level of, say, someone like Chibosempai or Bwett) because I pride myself on knowing a decent amount about every character and not specializing with one or two. In the end, I'm way behind on what the standard should be for the SBBR.

Regarding Part five, I don't see that happening as I think a lot of people would probably agree that Mew2King and Dojo are probably the best Metaknights out there and thus would fill my imagined two person quota. Regardless, if Dojo was a worse Metaknight then say, explodingmeatloafgaucho (disclaimer for liability reasons: not a real person although it would be awesome if he was) , and Captain Falcon didn't have two reps already, then yes. Why I keep suggesting this is that so an equal amount of representation is there to help create a tier list that has less bias and thus help make it more accurate (at least for that half of the year). Again, my standards would still be in place and they wouldn't just chose someone simply because they play as Captain Falcon or Jigglpuff or whatever character usually does craptastic in tournaments.

Regarding Part six, no, I didn't ignore it but you didn't really say anything I didn't know already and some things that, in reality, are ideals (Wario should never be grabbed but, then again, when was the last time you ever saw a match where one didn't get grabbed at least once). You explained that Wario doesn't really have any glaring weaknesses (although, in a sense he does have some) but it could be argued that neither does Marth or Lucario (but again, they still do). I don't expect you to be psychic but I would like to know the major points that have been brought up in the SBBR that influenced the rulings. Again, this is not solely your responsibility and should be the job of a someone or be done by everyone equally to the best of their abilities. You know how in a court setting there will be someone who keeps track of what everyone says by writing it down? (I think it's called a mediator.) There should be someone like that who would be able to summarize why things changed the way they did like the summaries posted at the beginning of the Offical Character of the Week Discussion thread.

Regarding Part seven, I already knew this but, again, it doesn't explain why.

Regarding Part eight, no body ever said you had to do it alone... Also, keeping track of the tournament results is not hard thanks to Ankoku's efforts and Susa's latest project will make it even easier once more data is collected.

Regarding Part nine, if Linkmastahohboymahboi decides to enter tournaments though, then technically he should matter because he's contributing to the hobby we all are so enthusiastically wasting our lives on. This could be further illustrated by how I work at a Greek Restaurant when I'm on fall/spring/christmas break. I have to wear a tuxedo to work and it could be considered to be an upscale restaurant but we still have had people come in ballcaps and flipflops. Begrudgingly, we still serve them. Why? It's because their patronage still supports the restaurants and, in turn, supports even though simply looking at them makes you think of the words "Habba Jeeba Joe." Regarding your other point, overall, I'm not fully convinced that only the best and most knowledgable smashers are in the SBBR and that's exactly why I'm going on like I am. I'm also not convinced that things are throughly discussed or that there's a balanced amount of representation either.

Regarding Part ten, it really should considering there are plenty of people who host one tournament and then never do anything all that noteworthy again. Being a tournament director notes commitment but skill and placings in decent size tournaments is far more important which is why tournament directors are more worthy of the voting party rather than the ruling.

 

[Red Arremer]

'kay, so I'm a scrub who has no idea about Smash. Cool.

Also:
I was talking about big tournament hosts who organize tournaments regularly, like Inui or Xyro, who both are in the SBR.

And, since it's so hard for you to understand, here a big red text:
EVERYONE HAS VOTED ON THEIR OWN, AND NOONE HAS INFLUENCED ANYONE'S VOTES BY SAYING SOMETHING, SINCE EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR OWN OPINION. THE WHOLE VOTING PROCESS IS IN THE OP OF THE TIER LIST THREAD

You have to ask every voter personally why he voted character X onto position X. There hasn't been a general consensus.

 

[Teran]

Yo FMOI, want me to lend you my Karma avatar for a day?
That was pretty magnificent.

 

[Fatmanonice]

'kay, so I'm a scrub who has no idea about Smash. Cool.

Also:
I was talking about big tournament hosts who organize tournaments regularly, like Inui or Xyro, who both are in the SBR.

And, since it's so hard for you to understand, here a big red text:
EVERYONE HAS VOTED ON THEIR OWN, AND NOONE HAS INFLUENCED ANYONE'S VOTES BY SAYING SOMETHING, SINCE EVERYONE HAS HAD THEIR OWN OPINION. THE WHOLE VOTING PROCESS IS IN THE OP OF THE TIER LIST THREAD

You have to ask every voter personally why he voted character X onto position X. There hasn't been a general consensus.

*facepalm/potato/brick/NintendoDS/sponge/TVremote/teddybear/hardbacknovel*

I didn't say you didn't know anything about Smash or that you're a scrub (today's secret word is "hyperbole", kids), I said that you are not considered an expert nor really have the creditials to be called one. There's an ENORMOUS difference and it's perfectly fine because, like I said, every character board only has like 1-2 that could be labeled as such. Why are you taking it so hard? Honestly, it's like comparing Stephen Hawking to your High School Physics Professor. Expert as compared to knowledgable instead of expert as compared to complete and utter ****** like you keep suggesting. Oh NoEs, good people die young, the Chicago Cubs will suck until the end of time, and you're not considered the best of the best on a forum with over a hundred thousand members; that's life. You're still going to keep your rank and things are going to remain the same no matter what I say so basically the worst that can come out of this is you having a bruised ego for a few hours and me having carpal tunnel 30 years down the road for spending nearly 3 hours typing that behemoth.

Also, I mentioned Xyro and Inui when addressing... Xivii was it? The spelling of his name escapes me if I even got it right in the first place. If you ask me, it's kind of like police officers running red lights so what I said and what you said aren't exactly comparable.

Also, how could nobody influence anyone especially in such a tight knit group? That's... that's... God, I can't even think of the right word to describe that without being downright offensive... People have their own opinions but, more or less, people's own opinions are patchwork of others. Nobody's opinion is completely unique except in minor differences in the patchwork that make it up. You can honestly tell me that Anther hasn't influenced how people view Pikachu or *suddenly gets tired of name dropping* you know what I'm talking about, right? When you go into a character board and hang around for a while you begin to realize that the board kind of has a central mind.

Let's take the Ice Climber boards, for example. Someone like (screw it, I'm trying to prove a point) Lain or Hylian says something about the Ice Climbers and defend their positions strongly. Both are great players and know their characters inside and out. Because of their credibility, it becomes accepted as fact and other great Ice Climber players (although not as great) players like Kawaiibunny, accept it and add their own input. If their opinion is deemed right by the higher ranking players, it becomes part of the patchwork. Now, suppose barfbagmcgee comes in arguing that Ganondorf can easily take down the Ice Climbers because of the range of his attacks. Now, this will get the attention of at least one person who knows what they're talking about and this arguement will easily be toppled thus adding another patch "Ganondorf is terrible against the Ice Climbers." Someone who's actually good with Ganondorf and experienced with various matchups like Zeonstar would then say, you're right; based on this, this and this, Ganondorf is terrible against the Ice Climbers which would add even more creditbility to Lain and Hylian's opinions. Due to the strength of these opinions, these opinions would reach to other boards and would largely affect how people view certain match ups. (Which is why a lot of character boards will actually invite other boards into their match up discussion threads.)

With this being said, some people opinon's carry more weight than others and thus have a stronger act on how people think. Suppose in one of these discussion threads that Kyari argues don't even exist that Inui gives a long and detailed spiel about why Snake beats out King Dedede and then CO18 simply comes in and says "No U". Who are more people going to side with and thus shape their opinions? If the arguement is very compelling on both sides, then it becomes the choice of the individual but I'm not fully convinced that arguements like this are even taking place in the SBBR and I'm more convinced that certain people just say things and then others just shrug their shoulders and go along with it. (Which, truth be told, most people do on forums anyways but it should be recongized for what it is: a terrible habit.) Again, I want to know what the experts are saying behind closed doors whether they are for or against certain ideas.

Well, I think that wraps it up. It's now 8 in the morning where I live so I really should head off to bed. For an abridged version of what I said:

1. You're not a ****** or a scrub.
2. The experts do affect others opinions.
3. Tons of name drops and lame jokes to keep myself awake.

End. *scuffles off to bed*

 

[Surri-Sama]

Dont feel to bad, the smash64 scene doesn't even get looked at xD

 

[-Jumpman-]

Lol FMOI, the SBBR doesn't work like that. Peeeeriod.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Lol FMOI, the SBBR doesn't work like that. Pee riot.

*realizes he can't sleep*

And why not? That's what I want to know. They rule on things, people ask why, and there's never a straight answer aside from something incredibly vague. "Oh, we voted on it." "Well, what was said during the discussions?" "Hell if I remember." >_>' Also, I'm getting sick of the responses "it doesn't work that way" and "you have no idea what we do." Well... what does go on? What do you do during the six months between tier lists? Honestly, for a group of boys between the ages of like 16-25 on a video game forum, there's way too much secrecy then there ought to be.

 

[Heartz♥]

FMOI sounds like he should be in the SBR-B, yet he is not.

Perhaps he should make a thread with the same question.

 

[clowsui]

heartz fmoi is nowhere close to being deserving of that position

 

[stingers]

This whole thread is pretty sad <.<

Seeing as how the SBR gets their **** done (tier lists, recommended rulesets and stagesets) in a timely manner, is it really important for you to know everything that happens in the Back Room? Becoming recognized by the SBR and gaining membership is something you're supposed to work for, so you can see what's inside and join discussion and whatnot. If they told you everything that goes on in the Smash Back Room in this public forum, what's the point?

They're clearly competent; it really doesn't matter whether or not you know everything that goes on in there.

 

[Heartz♥]

heartz fmoi is nowhere close to being deserving of that position

Notice I said "sounds". I know nothing of SBR-B.

Those nobles have their cup of tea, and I have mine.

 

[clowsui]

also @fmoi: just ask spadefox for his tournament results + his position in the european community is if you really wanna avoid offending him. it's even more annoying since you're using him as an object (i.e. using him as an example as to why the SBR-B is stupid in terms of its admissions), i think >_>; anyways the problem that you're describing can't be solved unless you're in the sbr-b yourself. not trusting them to hold intelligent discussion despite the fact that the sbr-b is largely composed of members of the community who are excellent TOs and players who have a lot of experience won't really solve itself by simply saying "HAI GUYZ U LOOK SUSPISHUS TELL ME WAT UR DOIN BCUZ I THIN U GUYZ RNT ELEET NUF" (a gesture of exaggeration not made to hurt in any way, only in jest ).

 

[Falconv1.0]

Now here's the **** storm I was waiting for.

I have to agree with Fatman here, and that doesn't happen very often.

 

[Surri-Sama]

You guys are foolish, there is a mentality that goes with being in the SBR. It's missing in this thread...for the most part...OP and fmoi

As for not knowing what goes on, you see how you guys act when you don't know whats going on? You wonder...and complain thats it!

If you did know you'd argue and complain...at least wondering is better then arguing xD

Generally you can assume how things are done. They present issues, vote/poll/talk about them, and then address them in the most appropriate manor...this is not some complicated or secret process

 

[-Jumpman-]

*realizes he can't sleep*

And why not? That's what I want to know. They rule on things, people ask why, and there's never a straight answer aside from something incredibly vague. "Oh, we voted on it." "Well, what was said during the discussions?" "Hell if I remember." >_>' Also, I'm getting sick of the responses "it doesn't work that way" and "you have no idea what we do." Well... what does go on? What do you do during the six months between tier lists? Honestly, for a group of boys between the ages of like 16-25 on a video game forum, there's way too much secrecy then there ought to be.

Oh, you didn't get it? Lol, we aren't allowed to tell etc. etc. Get it now?

 

[.Marik]

*Looked at entire thread*

God, such lulz and awesome posts.

I really should visit the User Blogs section more often.

Anyways, I feel that really good players should be allowed in no matter what character they main. Top players for each character usually place extremely well.

Ayaz is a Falcon main, and he placed 17th using pure Captain Falcon, at a fairly large Tournament.

Also, I heard that various individuals get in because of:

1.) Good Tournament results, considered a "pro"
2.) Their region needs a top representative
3.) They contribute a lot to the advancing metagame of Brawl

So, Pierce, I've been hearing about how good your Marth is. Since Emblem Lord dropped out, I'd suggest you keep working at it, ignore haters. Marth is used quite a bit, so a rep is needed.

I've heard the SBR is more of a socializing place, but they do create Tier Lists, and various rulesets. So... I can't say for certain whether it's boring, or whether it's totally worth it.

But, purple names kick *** and you get to brag, so go for it.

I've been wanting a "Smash Debater" status for quite some time, but I seem to get ignored, no matter how much I post there. So I know how you feel. :\

And I really wish Bwett would join, so Yoshi gets the proper rep he needs and relevant information regarding Yoshi is discussed when making Tier Lists, and whatnot.

I still feel top players should be allowed in, no matter how "unimportant" Tier Wh0res deem said character.

 

[stingers]

It's not so much top players as it is intelligent players that have a deep understanding of the game. It just so happens that they both usually go hand in hand. Though sometimes they don't @.@

 

[~Peachy~]

♡Ooooo...I didn't go through all the posts...but Mr. Fatman looks like he can really voice his opinion and look good doing it. ^__^

 

[Fatmanonice]

FMOI sounds like he should be in the SBR-B, yet he is not.

Perhaps he should make a thread with the same question.

Thanks for saying so but I mentioned like 4 or 5 times on the last page alone that I am no where deserving of being in the SBBR because 1. I don't have the tournament record and 2. I cannot be called an expert on the level of someone like Reflex or Santi, for example. I believe that the SBBR should have very, very high standards.

heartz fmoi is nowhere close to being deserving of that position

See above comment. Also, I'm sorry but I genuinely do not care if I offended Spadefox. Become thick skinned, especially if you have a position of responsibility and power and learn to take criticism. If it causes something to click inside then try to change your ways but if the person is just spraying words like crap from a fire hose, respond accordingly and don't act like you just got shot in the face point-blank. As I mentioned on the last page, the worst that could happened is him having a bruised ego for a few hours.

Also, knowing what the SBBR does =/= knowing everything they talk about. That's like saying because I know how British Parliament works, I don't know everything that happens behind closed doors. I want to be aware of their responsibilities and the major points that are brought up during discussions instead of once every blue moon when you see someone with a purple name voice their opinion (aside from just voting) in the 15th re-installment of "Should we ban Metaknight?" Honestly, is that too much to ask that I'm not all "Lol whut?" when I see changes in the tier list that I don't fully understand. (Like how I mentioned with a Wario about a week ago how his tournament results have basically remained the same since January and how his matchups haven't changed extravagently either according to the Wario boards.) Also, if merely wanting to know something is a form of paranoia then, by God, I'm "tinfoil hat wearing, smearing myself with dog crap and rambling about how Dominos Pizza is really just a clever name to allure that they want to cause the domino effect to American society by making us fat, slow, and stupid with their pizza" crazy.

You guys are foolish, there is a mentality that goes with being in the SBR. It's missing in this thread...for the most part...OP and fmoi

As for not knowing what goes on, you see how you guys act when you don't know whats going on? You wonder...and complain thats it!

If you did know you'd argue and complain...at least wondering is better then arguing xD

Generally you can assume how things are done. They present issues, vote/poll/talk about them, and then address them in the most appropriate manor...this is not some complicated or secret process

From my experience, arguing>>>complaining. Arguing suggests that the person at least has some idea on what is going on and trying to get insight on the views of others to see how they compare to their own while complaining, at least in this kind of situation, suggests that one party has much more knowledge on a subject than the other but only because the one party is left in the dark in the first place. Arguing is almost the essence of this whole forum because, when you post a topic regarding something in the character or tactical boards, you are more or less arguing your point of view. People can agree or disagree with it and then it builds off from there like I explained on the last page (or was it this one...).

Why be afraid of discussion? If someone from the SBBR posts an intelligent post in one of the SBBR's discussion threads about why in the next tier list why Lucario should move up and posts it it in a discussion thread once the tier list is actually released and shows that Lucario has moved up +3, would it be that bad if someone actually challenged it and, dear God, brought up a healthy debate? Truth be told, I had high hopes for the tier list discussion thread and then my hopes were dashed like a day later when pretty much any intelligent question was drowned out by a flood of "LoL, mY aVaTaR iS wEaRiNg A tOp HaT aNd MoNoClE *a fad that was started in the OTL by Sir Bevedere at the beginning of the year and is somehow still alive and, apparently, more hilarious than ever since the SBBR picked it up*, iSn'T tHaT aWeSoMe" posts. Granted, I haven't been back since but I doubt that all that much has changed.

Oh, you didn't get it? Lol, we aren't allowed to tell etc. etc. Get it now?

*does that falling over thing that happens a lot in the early pokemon episodes*

Duuuuuuuh, a-yup, a-yup, a-yup! Eye Shure Doo Nou Mestear! :freak: I'm suddenly reminded of the scene in the Wizard of Oz when Dorathy and her posse discover that the "Great and Terrible" Oz is really just an eccentric old man behind a curtain...

 

[highfive]

Interesting blog. Why whine about something your not in the control of? Just go on and play the game. Sooner or later people start asking you if you'd like to join this and this, but constantly making it a big deal doesn't help. The BR is a secret, and hey, secrets are ment to be that.