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Why am I not in the SBR-B?

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There's not a single Ganon main in the SBR. We Ganons are such a crucial part of the metagame and are the embodiment of competitive play, and yet none of us are in the SBR. What's up with that?

In all seriousness, I remember seeing NEO was not SBR and thinking "That's odd." Now I see this and I think the same thing. I fully support you, Pierce, and I don't know why everyone is saying this will hurt your chances.

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Saturday night on the way back from Viridian City, me and some other 100% Juice members were just discussing how Pierce would definitely be a good SBR canidate.
 

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There's not a single Ganon main in the SBR. We Ganons are such a crucial part of the metagame and are the embodiment of competitive play, and yet none of us are in the SBR. What's up with that?

In all seriousness, I remember seeing NEO was not SBR and thinking "That's odd." Now I see this and I think the same thing. I fully support you, Pierce, and I don't know why everyone is saying this will hurt your chances.

:034:
If nothing else, I believe it could hurt his chances just by the simple 'If we give you this special privilege, then everyone else will try and get it too'. Or basically, if he gets in simply by what he said here, despite how true it may be and despite how much he truly deserves it, there's a pretty decent chance that others may try the exact same thing to get in; claiming how great they are and other such stuff, whether it's actually true or not. That will eventually get aggravating, and it may eventually come to a point where if someone else who truly does deserves it tries this method, they won't have a chance because the BRoomers so sick of seeing the blogs with these requests.

tl;dr: If he gets in other people may try too, and then eventually it'll just be a bunch of spam attempts to get in. Remember, people are idiots like that.
 

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Be careful saying stuff like that bro, you haven't been purple for long.
I know. I've read up on older discussions and all, though.

I didn't see these circumstances Kyari described. Sure, sometimes some less serious posts, but socializing is mandatory, especially if you're trying to decide and debate stuff with the results influencing the whole community. *shrugs*

He's just exaggerating because he's fed up of not getting what he expected. Which obviously are discussions about matchups and discussion robots.
 

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Requirements To Be In The SBR (lolsike)

- Have over 1,000 posts
- Talk about your tournament placings alot
- Be an ******* to anyone who jokes around about smash


Help me with the list people.

#1 Rule - No black people in SBR lol. (think of one)
 

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Requirements To Be In The SBR (lolsike)

- Have over 1,000 posts
- Talk about your tournament placings alot
- Be an ******* to anyone who jokes around about smash


Help me with the list people.

#1 Rule - No black people in SBR lol. (think of one)
Like.... I have less than 1000 posts.

I have placed second ONCE, that's all. Have attended 3 tournaments.

Jokes around? Smash has almost no scene here, haha.

I'm black.


Edit: oh and pierce, trust me. The intelligent discussion thing is just a myth.
 

kr3wman

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It's because the SBR-B is a joke.

Have you seen the tier list?

Falcon over Link and Ganon?

Zelda lower than Sheik and other characters as bad as Sheik?

A ****ing joke.

Seriously.
 

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Dude. As someone who voluntarily left the SBR, I'm telling you - it's not worth it. Intelligent discussion does not take place. Many people there seem like their lifetime goal is to either derail discussion or halt any progress whatsoever that doesn't coincide with things they already believe, like Overswarm and those who would happily fellate him for his point of view. It's a good thing he isn't in charge of the place anymore but honestly, it's the same arguments about the unsolvable fundamental problems with Brawl and Brawl tournaments cycling over and over and over until the apocalypse. It's a mind**** in there. At least in the boards you aren't surrounded by people who have any reason to feel elitist, so it's easier to ignore the stupid people.

You. Are. Not. Missing. Out.

Watch like 5 ppl from the SBR come in to try to dispute this, because they don't want their lack of credibility to be exposed.

Let me get this straight to you again. There are many people back there who are amazing at this game and know what they're doing.

But the place sucks. You want to know what all of the pros have to think about a certain high level matchup? Well too bad, because people do not go in depth on matchups there. You want to try bringing it up? Get told by ****in everybody that the only way you can be an expert on some matchup is to main one of the characters, and that no-one else in the room can do so either. So no indepth matchup analysis for you. Constructive threads are not made in the SBR. They would rather argue over the best set of rules for the community, how much influence the SBR should have over the community, whether certain gay tactic in Brawl should be limited or banned, or how to ban/what to do, if anything, against Metaknight, the counterpick system, or MK within the CP system.

It's a depressing place to be. Stay outside where there's some fresh air at least.

EDIT: And for what it's worth, when I was a member, I voted to bring you in when you were a candidate (back before anyone and their mother was allowed in anyhow, when there were like 40 or 50 people... the place probably has like 120 or more mofo's now)

I was wondering what happened with your rank. I was going to come in here and say the SBBR pretty much lets anyone in based on a "friend of a friend" basis but I guess my theory was actually right after all. (Who da thunk it?) Despite past disputes with you, I do agree with what you're saying, they pretty much are letting everyone and their grandma in now, especially in the past three months or so. What probably weirds me out the most though is how I'm seeing people I knew during the pre-Brawl days who haunted the character discussion threads like I did and now are in the SBBR and they DON'T EVEN PLAY SMASH COMPETITIVELY. WTF? Honestly, I think the SBBR should be reserved for the top players, note worthy MODS (which are usually one in the same), and "experts" of certain characters.
 

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Requirements To Be In The SBR (lolsike)

- Have over 1,000 posts
- Talk about your tournament placings alot
- Be an ******* to anyone who jokes around about smash


Help me with the list people.

#1 Rule - No black people in SBR lol. (think of one)
Me,omni?, Afro thundah, ninjalink, tyrant,DEHF. To name a few..
 

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Really, I'm srsly not racist or anything, but I remember being surprised to find out that ninjalink was black. It's just that the majority of smashers are white, asian, or hispanic or something, as far as I know. I remember the day I first found out Jimi Hendrix was black. :o.
 

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Stuff and such.
Beware this is filled with hyperbole, but not sarcasm.

As far as I'm concerned, the SBR does exactly what it says it will do and is efficient about it all.

They create rulesets.
They create the tier list.
They make decisions about things important and relevant to smash.
They add new members and purge inactive members (although it's been a while since the last purge as far as I can tell).

Quite frankly, whether their decisions stem from heart-filled novels of debates from SBR members or mindless voting is irrelevant.

It's funny how people jump at SBR members for being 'elitist' and such. I've seen it time and time again. In my opinion they have every right to be elitist. I'm sure a wonderful world of argument would happen if say everlasting yayuhzz told ADHD or Anti, "My opinion is more important than your's." Many would run in to argue how ADHD and Anti have proven tournament success and obviously know Brawl at an extremely intelligent level.

However, as it stands, if everlasting yayuhzz has an opinion on something, his opinion will directly be involved in SBR discussion. Sure, ADHD and Anti can indirectly effect things, they currently have no direct effect on rulesets or tier lists or crucial decisions such as whether or not MK/Infinites/Planking/Adderall should be legal in tournaments. Any and every SBR can directly effect the status of any of these. Anyone without a purple name cannot. It's fairly obvious that everyone in the SBR is in fact more important than everyone not in it when it comes to these decisions. So yes Kyari. Overswarm has every right to be as elitist with his opinion as he wants. It's worth more.

So really, I see no problem with this whole "elitism" thing.

Moving on, let's get to this whole "intelligent discussion" thing.

It's odd people would think that the SBR is filled with epic novels of infinite wisdom concerning the game. Do people honestly think SBR members magically change their posting/debate/thinking/etc... style between posting in the SBR and the boards themselves.

Please. Do you think Xyro posted ANY differently at all? If you gave me 2 minutes in the SBR, I guarantee I could locate a post of his in size 7 font and in lime green with 600 exclamation points. I'm sure Inui has no great change in posting style; just as outspoken as always. I'm sure Atomsk hasn't changed his habits drastically either.

If you've had discussion with any SBR members, then you have had the same type of interaction with them as you would have had if you were having the conversation in the SBR.

Often I see people both in the SBR and those not, call the character boards "awful" and "filled with stupidity". I've seen SBR members troll and spam plenty, and I'm sure they are just as likely to inside as they are inside. The SBR does have moderators assigned to it, so it obviously isn't this perfect forum where everyone types in well-detailed paragraphs with bullet points detailing why Marth is a 37.85-62.15 match-up against Meta Knight citing both frame advantage and the tournament history of every top Marth player.

The discussion within the SBR is only as exclusive as the SBR members themselves wish to keep it. If a SBR member says something in the SBR, there is absolutely nothing stopping them from posting this outside. The only discussion from the SBR average users miss out on are things SBR members want you to miss out on.

If Mew2King wants to share his strategy against a certain character in the SBR and nowhere else, then that's simply how it is. If Reflex wants to share his tier opinions with the SBR and nowhere else, then that's that. From a regular user's point of view, Hylian posting something in the SBR and no where else is equivalent to Hylian keeping the point to himself.

The SBR will let the community know things when the SBR wants it to know these things. Case in point, the character discussion threads which were moved from the SBR to the character boards. The SBR didn't want anyone else to see these until they were finished. I'm sure there are threads there which will never see the light of day elsewhere. That's fine.

The discussion thread for Tier List v3.0 was never moved out for everyone to see. For all we know, no discussion ever took place and they just voted. For all we know everyone in the SBR wrote at least 4,000 words explaining their thoughts on each character each!

Does that matter?

No.

The tier list was created from the opinions of those deemed important enough to be in the SBR. Whether that opinion came with a silent cast of a ballot or an in-depth analysis is completely irrelevant. The community has accepted the list regardless, simply because they know the individual SBR members have opinions which they accept are important.

I don't care if Ally wrote something out or just ranked the characters as he pleased silently during voting. Why should I care if Smash G 0 D did as well? Both are SBR members. Both have equal opinions and equal say. Both have greater say than I do. I have equal say as all non-SBR members. It's a pretty simple system.

So yeah, whether there is "intelligent discussion" or not is unimportant. The only thing that matters is the outcome. For all I care there could be a thread discussing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Naruto fighting games.

"Hey guys, I totally kicked my little brother's *** with Inuzuka Kiba in the new Naruto game for the PS3. I think the top 5 should be MK, Snake, Diddy, Wario, Jigglypuff." Could be a post back there.

The point is: Some sort of discussion IS going on back there, and it obviously is relevant otherwise the community would have stopped listening/caring what the SBR produces for us. Since I still see plenty of people caring about what the SBR has to say, I think it's safe to assume that the discussion is at least relevant. But for all we know, the discussion could be the same both inside and outside of the SBR.

Let's go with this example.

Let's say I grabbed an equal number of people as the number who participated in the voting for the last tier list and put them through the same voting scheme. Do you honestly believe the tier list would be drastically different?

I've seen posts in the Tier List v3.0 thread with people coming in with posts like "Wario 3rd? Seriously?" Only to be followed by both normal users and SBR members belitting such criticisms. Last time I checked, Wario's average was 4.68. That means there were plenty of people in the SBR who thought Wario wasn't 3rd. In fact, I'm sure there were those who had him at 6th and even 7th, if not lower. So I don't see how anyone can attack a user who disagrees with the tier list. It's obvious quite a lot of the SBR did not think Wario was 3rd best in the game at the time of voting.

In fact, I'm sure if every SBR member posted what they personally thought the tier list should be, character for character, we'd see just as much variance as we do between Supermodel From Paris', Steel 2nd's, and Sir 0rion's tier lists.

Believe it or not, the SBR members are FROM THE COMMUNITY! Because of this, as the number of people in the SBR increases the more likely it is that the tier list will reflect the general opinion of the community better. The SBR saw quite a large increase in membership between v2.0 and v3.0, which is what I think is the main reason that the general community agreed more with the list than previously.

I really don't think normal users should continually be given such harsh treatment for having differing opinions, when it's obvious there is plenty of dissent within the SBR itself. But oh well, that's fine, the opinions of SBR members are important. Let me reiterate that I'm not being sarcastic. I'm simply being blunt.

The SBR is fine. I'm supportive of it and respect it a lot. Perhaps my only complaint is that old threads with past discussions are not moved for public viewing afterwards. I hate to break it to you guys, but the United States (I cannot speak for other nations' governmental systems.) Congress doesn't hide their discussions. In fact many of them are open for public viewing at the time, and are always published two months to two years afterwards. I simply find the lack of checks and balances somewhat odd in this case. Many of the points that I previously brought up only exist because the SBR is perpetually private. The results and process are available. However the minute details are not. I could care less either way actually. I just find it interesting.

If anyone takes this as confrontational, you really don't know me. :p
So try not to quote every paragraph of this individually and yell at me. :(
 

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I was wondering what happened with your rank. I was going to come in here and say the SBBR pretty much lets anyone in based on a "friend of a friend" basis but I guess my theory was actually right after all. (Who da thunk it?) Despite past disputes with you, I do agree with what you're saying, they pretty much are letting everyone and their grandma in now, especially in the past three months or so. What probably weirds me out the most though is how I'm seeing people I knew during the pre-Brawl days who haunted the character discussion threads like I did and now are in the SBBR and they DON'T EVEN PLAY SMASH COMPETITIVELY. WTF? Honestly, I think the SBBR should be reserved for the top players, note worthy MODS (which are usually one in the same), and "experts" of certain characters.
What? lol. Sorry, I really like you, FMOI, and you're a cool guy, but this is BS.
ESPECIALLY in the past 3 months the SBRoom was cleaned of people who don't play Brawl/only play Melee/whatever. Sure, there still are some, but that's probably because the last removal of inactive members has been ago quite some time now.
The most newer additions were people like Reflex, Fiction, DEHF or Sky', people who know their stuff and place constantly, as well as Tero and myself, mainly to represent Europe in the SBR. Are you saying we, those newer additions, are "everyone and their grandma"?

Edit: Oh, and about that "friendship" stuff... I've never had much contact to any SBRoomer and especially its leaders prior to me becoming an SBRoomer myself.
 

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Link to original post: [drupal=1840]Why am I not in the SBR-B?[/drupal]



Okay, so I place extremely well in tournament, considering I play Marth exclusively. Marth vs. MK has a 65-35 match-up, and I live in a MK infested state. Furthermore, there are barely any Marth mains representing in SBR. I wouldn't even be so upset if Neo, Mike_Haze, or Roy_R were in there, but NONE of them are. Instead, we have Emblem Lord, whom I love dearly, but who doesn't play this game, and BarDull. BarDull is talented, but there's no East Coast Marth representation, now that EL has QUIT the SBR.

Now, way back last year, before MLG bought Smashboards, I filled out an application to join the SBR, I was being highly considered to join. I frequently post knowledgably in both Marth boards and character discussion. I place well at tournaments, losing generally to TOP LEVEL MKS (Shadow, Inui, DMBrandon, Ksizzle, Anti). I've beaten these players before, and I am extremely knowledge about the game, how to play, it's mechanics, and the inner workings of many characters (probably more than most people in this region). Before any of those applicants were accepted though, MLG got bought, and JV purged the backroom and split it into two. While I approve of this, no similar recruitment has been done since, so I got kicked to the curb.

I get really mad too, because I see large numbers of players I'm quite obviously better than (no names, that would be rude, and while I'm ranting, I won't be rude) get accepted. I understand that the lead TOs of various regions become SBR, because they have a significant impact on the ruleset their region plays by. Still, sometimes, I'm just confused. I'm generically helpful, skilled, and I know my stuff.

A lot of time, people IN the SBR tell me that I'm not missing out on anything, and nothing really happens, but obviously that's not true. I STRIVE for intelligent discussion, and you know how hard that is to come by on the boards. Furthermore, this only annoys me more, because if the people in the SBR think that they aren't contributing and don't want to contribute, then at least let me in so I can. I've been eagerly trying to get in the SBR for nearly a year now, and it's yet to happen.

It's frustrating, because SBR is invite only, so I don't want to be rude and just be like, "Uh, hey guys, remember me." But seriously, it's annoying because I really want to be a member, and I have to just sit here and twiddle my thumvbs, hoping to get recognized. It's even worse that other amazing players in my region like ADHD aren't even in SBR.

Anyway, I'm glad I got to rant here. Maybe if I'm lucky, some SBRoomers will see this and go "Oh snap, we forgot Pierce." Haha, as Boss would say "Then you woke up."
if you can answer my question, i will recommend you to the others for SBR membership.


How many broilers does it take to broil a broiler that broils broilers
 

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tl;dr--You lost to a Pokemon Trainer at CoT4, which means that you can't be in it. ;p

In all seriousness,though, you seem like a good candidate to me, though.
. . . You know, I appreciate you, because you've motivated me to get so much better at this game. I can't WAIT for our rematch, and I pray you're at Genesis.

I'm not sure if there's a character limit, but aside from the applications they had a long while back, did you simply try going to your User CP and clicked "Join Group" for SBR-B, and gave an explanation of why you thought you should be there? Again, I'm not sure if there's a character limit for how much you write, but it's as easy as sending a PM to the people who head those rooms [Marc and Hylian] about why you should be admitted and then under the "why you should join" section of the join group put "please see Private Message". If you honestly think you have a shot, then I don't see why that wouldn't work.
This was a pretty good idea. I didn't send a PM, I was able to fit my request within the character limit. I thought this feature was disabled, but perhaps they enabled it once they split SBR in two. Anyway, it's worth a shot.

REALLY LONG POST
Thanks. It does make me feel better, but I still want to be in SBR.

There's no Sonics in the Fake SBR either, Pierce.

Quit whining.
I don't think that's a reason to "quit whining." If anything, I think that's part of the reason why it took so long for Sonic to get his proper recognition. I think that since the SBR's most noted projects are the ruleset and the tierlist, considering that the ruleset isn't really going to dynamically change unless something we find changes the way the game is played, we need accurate knowledge about characters to create an accurate tier list.

Saturday night on the way back from Viridian City, me and some other 100% Juice members were just discussing how Pierce would definitely be a good SBR canidate.
Good looking out. You sir, are a beast btw.

If nothing else, I believe it could hurt his chances just by the simple 'If we give you this special privilege, then everyone else will try and get it too'. Or basically, if he gets in simply by what he said here, despite how true it may be and despite how much he truly deserves it, there's a pretty decent chance that others may try the exact same thing to get in; claiming how great they are and other such stuff, whether it's actually true or not. That will eventually get aggravating, and it may eventually come to a point where if someone else who truly does deserves it tries this method, they won't have a chance because the BRoomers so sick of seeing the blogs with these requests.

tl;dr: If he gets in other people may try too, and then eventually it'll just be a bunch of spam attempts to get in. Remember, people are idiots like that.
Doubt it. I'm not in any way trying to be cocky as I say this, but it's not as if I'm not moderately known in the Smash community. Just looking at my post count will tell you I've been here a while and said a few things. Considering that I don't even get post count credit for posting in Regional Socials, it's mostly intelligent stuff. Seeing a guy with 2000+ posts get into MBR isn't going to blatently encourage that smash apprentice to start ranting in a blog about how they have no credibility, but aren't in the SBR.

Either that or he hires a black guy to do his videos on youtube. :psycho:

Add in: I'm pretty sure Ninjalink isn't black.
I know Ninjalink and consider him a friend. Furthermore, I saw him on Saturday. He was still black then :laugh: On that note, Anti and Slik, you two made me smile.

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Well said, but all that being said, I'd rather be on the inside. Also this also has me bring up a good point. If there really are so many problems inside SBR, I'd still rather be inside to see them, and possibly help the situation, then be out here whining and complaining. If I have the knowledge to contribute, why would I idly sit out here complaining about the tier list? I'd much sooner complain that I didn't have my say. Note: This is not in any way trying to suggest that I would join the SBR and start complaining about the way it's run.

It's because the SBR-B is a joke. Have you seen the tier list? Falcon over Link and Ganon? Zelda lower than Sheik and other characters as bad as Sheik? A ****ing joke. Seriously.
. . . trolling or no, I can't resist a little tier debate (it's something I enjoy to do, but the tier list threads are always full of spam, and you can't get anywhere on them. You gotta go to the individual character discussions where there are 9001 people trying to say something irrelevant/off-topic)

Anyway, Ganon really is the worst character in the game. I took one look at his frame data, and quickly realized that the only reason you would ever lose to Ganon is if you don't understand how he works. Ganon relies on setting up a trap, but cannot ordinarily hit you. Boosting high priority, all of his moves still come out way too slow to actually hit you first if you're being aggressive. Just keep hitboxes in his face, and don't get hit by super telegraphed stuff, and cross-up a lot, and Ganon can't do anything. He also gets completely shut down by SOOOO many characters. Ganon vs Falco is 100-0. Ganon vs D3 is 95-5. Ganon vs Olimar is 95-5. Ganon vs. Marth is 90-10. Ganon vs. MK is 95-5. Ganon vs Shiek is 95-5. Ganon vs. IC is 95-5. And the list goes on to name a lot of characters that beat Ganon 80-20 or worse. That being said, I play a proficient Ganon, and he's really fun. No one else has this many impossible match-ups though.

Also, Zelda is really bad. I've known this for a while, and have always wondered how she was higher than Sheik, who is a misunderstood character and has lots of potential, which is finally being developed. Unfortunately, Sheik's growth (like Fox, who is another underrated character) is blindingly slow, because these characters don't get a lot of use due to being initially misunderstood, and not really being able to be soloed in tourney. At least Pokemon Trainer is getting a little love.

if you can answer my question, i will recommend you to the others for SBR membership: How many broilers does it take to broil a broiler that broils broilers
If the ingredients are part of the requirement, then at minimum two. Just one broiler to broil the broiler that broils broilers, and the broiler that broils broilers that's getting broiled. :laugh:
 

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Hey I know what your going throught but more. Man I know pichu inside and out and I discovered alot of stuff about pichu that could have helped his metagame alot but, I geyss some Mod just got tried of me and desiced to kick me out of the melee boards knowing I was writing an advanced pichu guide and a video thread for the ice climber both being lost to time at this point. The pichu Boards died the day after and there is only a post every 1-2 month/s

I am a very techical pichu how wants to share what he knows but got a F*** you


How were you whinning? you you spend a year waiting and you are more than readly for it
 

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Hey I know what your going throught but more. Man I know pichu inside and out and I discovered alot of stuff about pichu that could have helped his metagame alot but, I geyss some Mod just got tried of me and desiced to kick me out of the melee boards knowing I was writing an advanced pichu guide and a video thread for the ice climber both being lost to time at this point. The pichu Boards died the day after and there is only a post every 1-2 month/s

I am a very techical pichu how wants to share what he knows but got a F*** you


How were you whinning? you you spend a year waiting and you are more than readly for it
Wow, that's seriously sad bro. I respect those who actually take the time to study and become knowledgeable about low tier characters. IMO, that shows true dedication.

Also, to all of those that have voiced your support and approval on this thread, thank you. Naturally, it makes one feel better to be supported.
 

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'definitely' can not be be used on something unquantifiable like mental age, it just kills the credibility of your opinion :)
 
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