Who has the best/worst jab in the game?

[shinyspoon42]

lol I know. What's next? "Character Idle Animation Tier List" ? "Taunt Tier List" ?

My votes?

#1 taunt goes to c. falcon...


oh wait, you were joking. O__O

 

[Pichu4SSB4]

My votes?

#1 taunt goes to c. falcon...


oh wait, you were joking. O__O

Yes. But even if it happened, i would totally vote for the Captain as well.

 

[shinyspoon42]

I want to make a tier list of topics that need to be tier listed... (hint; its a fairly short list)

 

[haloman800]

I was coming in here thinking Ike has the best and MK has the worst, I stand by that.

 

[Nestec]

Wow, you fail for sustaining this ill-fated thread.

And I fail even more for acknowledging it... >_<

 

[Nitrix]

I was coming in here thinking Ike has the best and MK has the worst, I stand by that.

I pretty much agree.

 

[Supreme65]

To me think Peach, Snake and Diddy has the best jabs. Worst most likely ivysaur. Too slow

 

[smashkng]

Worst jab has MK, its priority sucks more than Pikachu's jab.

 

[Throwback]

I actually think samus's jab is the worst - it has no hitstun whatsoever

 

[Death Arcana]

are u kidding me sonics is one of the best he has the easiest and the best jab lock because of his jab

 

[Supamahn]

Falco, Snake, and Pikachu have pretty good jabs IMO. Ivysaur and Jiggly have the worst I think. Ivy's is just too slow and Jiggly's doesn't really do anything, it's just weak.

 

[zeldspazz]

Falco, Snake, and Pikachu have pretty good jabs IMO.

I lol'd really hard.

 

[:mad:]

Agreed with zeldspazz.

This thread gets bumped too often.

 

[mountain_tiger]

I lol'd really hard.

Pikachu's jab isn't that bad. Sure, it's hella situational, but it has a lot of disjoint in front of his head, and it can trip, leading into a FSmash. It does have its uses.

 

[:mad:]

Pikachu's jab isn't that bad. Sure, it's hella situational, but it has a lot of disjoint in front of his head, and it can trip, leading into a FSmash. It does have its uses.

You will never land a Jab -> Fsmash against anyone that's played this game before, yo.

It's not reliable, it's not a good move.

 

[Mr.Victory07]

Wait whats with everyone saying Ivy has one of the worst jabs? It's similar to Diddy's, Sheik's ect. except 10x more disjointed and difficult to get past.
Worst is easily Jiggly.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

Wait whats with everyone saying Ivy has one of the worst jabs? It's similar to Diddy's, Sheik's ect. except 10x more disjointed and difficult to get past.
Worst is easily Jiggly.

Jigglypuff's is fairly bad. It has a horrible range, it only has two hits, and its weak.

Although it can jab lock, and it's pretty fast.

It's more like a poke if you ask me .

 

[Brinzy]

People keep saying Ivysaur because it seems oh-so-slow when it's hitting something... or maybe it's because they can keep up with the sounds each whip makes and thus deem it slow... or maybe they simply don't know what they're talking about. That thing is good, and there are slower jabs.

 

[A2ZOMG]

The best Jabs in this game overall are either Snake or Luigi's. Both have excellent range and speed, and very good setups.

Honorable mention goes to Ike, for the 16% damage dealer that is his Jab combo.

The worst Jab in this game belongs to Samus. It doesn't even combo into the 2nd hit.

MK and Zelda also have pretty lousy Jabs. Their Jabs are slow and situational and don't have any good followups.

 

[Terra~]

Snake's is best. Period

 

[A2ZOMG]

Snake's is best. Period

Luigi gives him competition by having a faster Jab that has about the same range. And his followups can often have more reward.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Snake's full combo is easily blocked, and doesn't truly combo into anything. He has some close combos, but nothing that's a true combo. While he does have some great options out of Jab (Ftilt, Grab which leads to Dthrow which leads to lots of fun), it's not a top contender.

It's a run off between Ike and Luigi.

Ike has the range, % damage, and knockback lead for the full combo uncanceled. He also has the jab with the most hitstun. Their jabs both hit on frame 3.

Luigi potentially has the earliest to KO vertically jab combo (Jab -> Up B), but it's not a true combo on everyone.

Ike has the potential to do the most % damage from a Jab combo (Jab1 -> Jab1-> Grab -> Pummel X amount of times -> Bthrow -> Dash Attack) Which is a true combo on more characters then Luigi's Jab -> Up B. Alternatively, if he's by a wall he can combo the jab into a wall "infinity" but that's rather situational and is doable mainly at PS1.

For near true combos or "sequences", Ike has more of them, and the one with the most horizontal KOing power (Jab -> Bair). Luigi has the sequence with the most potential damage (Jab -> Grab -> Air combo thingy what ever order that goes in)

Top Four would be Ike > Luigi ->>> Falco -> Snake

 

[A2ZOMG]

Ike is also fairly easily punished if his opponent SDIs well (not hard to predict when he's going to Jab since his moveset is extremely limited). His Jab is also merely average in terms of speed, while Luigi has a fast Jab.

Luigi also has a Jab cancel "infinite" on the entire case too, and it's not just Jab UpB he can do. He has other options like Jab D-tilt/D-smash and Luigi's Jab -> Grab is a significantly greater threat than Ike's Jab -> Grab due to damage and setups and potential B-throw KOs. It's much easier to land a U-smash from Luigi's D-throw than it is to land a U-air from Ike's D-throw/U-throw.

Basically Luigi has a lot more options when it comes to Jabbing, while Ike is basically forced to put almost his entire game into his Jab since the rest of his movepool is not that impressive. That not to mention the speed of Luigi's Jab makes it more useful overall.

Snake's Jab -> Grab/U-tilt/F-tilt as far as I recall are guaranteed on the entire cast, and since those moves are better than Ike's followups, that also makes Snake's Jab more useful than Ike's.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

....Did you read what I put down? At all?

They both have frame 3 jabs meaning they are the same speed. Luigi's jab is not faster then Ike. They are equal. Luigi's B-throw isn't killing for a heck of a long time, a lot later then Ike's Dash Attack.

What is this bull about SDI? SDI doesn't save people from Ike's jab when the Ike knows what he is doing. SDI behind Ike? You still get hit by turn around Jab before you can act. That does nothing. SDI up? Still in range of grab or Utilt. SDI away? Still in range of dash grab or the full jab combo. Luigi would be more hurt by SDI due to the shorter range on his moves.

It doesn't matter if Ike is "forced to put almost his entire game into his Jab". It has zero baring on how good it is. The best jab in the game is still the best jab in the game. being "forced to put almost his entire game into his jab" doesn't magically make the jab slower. Or have less range. Or less hitstun. His jab would be just as good as it is now if his Neutral B granted him a FD sized, frame one OHKO move.

Please note I did not say Uair from Ike's throws. While it works great if a platform is there, it doesn't if there isn't. It's too % dependent (though we do have two different ranges where it works thanks to the two throws). Same with Luigi's Dthrow -> Usmash. It's too % dependent. Luigi has less options then Ike overall from jab, particularly when you look at the % dependent ones.

And from what I remember, Snake's jab lacks the hitstun to truly combo into anything. It's good, but not that good.

 

[Tipzntrix]

For those saying G&W's jab has no purpose, it can be used in down throw mindgames. Any opponent who doesn't tech down throw can be jabbed once/twice and grabbed again for another downthrow. Any opponent who techs can be techchased into an upsmash. It's pretty much a 50/50, and it's because of G&W's jab.

 

[IThinkAboutIvysaur]

Squirtle first Jab comes our on frame 1 which makes it quite fast. Also his jabs move him forawrd which is handy.

He has not the best Jab but few can beat or equal this.

 

[lax guy5]

I lol'd really hard.

Hahaha totally. I hate to admit it but my main, Pikachu, has the worst jab in the game. And my seconday, Ike, has the best. And my THIRD best character, Snake, has the second best.

 

[A2ZOMG]

....Did you read what I put down? At all?

They both have frame 3 jabs meaning they are the same speed. Luigi's jab is not faster then Ike. They are equal. Luigi's B-throw isn't killing for a heck of a long time, a lot later then Ike's Dash Attack.

No, Luigi's Jab is frame 2. And this makes a big difference anyhow when you consider buffering.

Luigi's B-throw kills most characters at 140%....that's quite good when you consider that it's a throw and is basically guaranteed to never be stale if used as KO move. Also I highly doubt Ike's DA kills that early when you factor DI.

What is this bull about SDI? SDI doesn't save people from Ike's jab when the Ike knows what he is doing. SDI behind Ike? You still get hit by turn around Jab before you can act. That does nothing. SDI up? Still in range of grab or Utilt. SDI away? Still in range of dash grab or the full jab combo. Luigi would be more hurt by SDI due to the shorter range on his moves.

Luigi's Jab basically has the same range as Ike's Jab. With SDI, it's possible to be able to move above Ike's range where you can escape from his combos. And it's a lot more predictable when Ike is going to Jab, than when Luigi is going to Jab.

It doesn't matter if Ike is "forced to put almost his entire game into his Jab". It has zero baring on how good it is. The best jab in the game is still the best jab in the game. being "forced to put almost his entire game into his jab" doesn't magically make the jab slower. Or have less range. Or less hitstun. His jab would be just as good as it is now if his Neutral B granted him a FD sized, frame one OHKO move.

It does make a difference. If a player knows something is coming and can react to it consistently, then that reduces the effectiveness of that move. Luigi has more options outside of just Jabbing, meaning that Jabbing adds a lot more to his mixup options.

And from what I remember, Snake's jab lacks the hitstun to truly combo into anything. It's good, but not that good.

No, Snake's Jab has enough of a frame advantage to always combo into his F-tilt and on most characters his grab and U-tilt. Even if you could perform an action before his F-tilt came out, it would pretty much never save you from his massively disjointed followups.

None of Ike's followups from Jab do much other than deal more damage. Even Jab D-smash is pretty pathetic considering his D-smash is both laggy and weak.

 

[C.S. Dinah]

Ikes got the best jab and as for the worst.... who has that?

 

[BombKirby]

Snake has the freaking best jab EVER! Just goes to show...all his moves r finishers! XD

Oli has one of the most disgraceful jabs ever created!

 

[gm jack]

Ikes got the best jab and as for the worst.... who has that?

Ganon.

One slow laggy hit than can be shielded or spot-dodged on reaction. I would have said Zelda, who has an even slower jab, but the large disjoint and low cooldown lag mean it can be a good defensive move.

 

[DarkLouis331]

I dont know why no one mentioned Lucas' jab
it has lots of speed and priority
its just as fast as Ike's with the priority to match...very similar actually

But yea Ike has the best jab
Then Snake, Falco, Lucas, ZSS, and Peach

Worst is MK, Olimar, and Pikachu

Lucas's jab is so underrated. And I think Pikachu and G&W have the worst jabs.

 

[JUDGE]

what a2zomg says 10 char

 

[C.S. Dinah]

what a2zomg says 10 char

Hey this guy has my gamer tag O_O

*random off-topic post*

 

[JUDGE]

lol really???
you mean me or a2zomg??

cuz my tag is JUDGE at brawl and Mr. F at melee lol

 

[JUDGE]

ohhh i see you mean dinah, right ?? lol
yeah i do have this tag to but i don't use it often lol


you mean dinah right??

 

[C.S. Dinah]

lol yep"Dinah" xD

it kind of surprised me a bit

 

[JUDGE]

oh yeah cutz the devil girl in my avi is called dinah you know lol^^
no my gamer tag is JUDGE don't worry^^

 

[C.S. Dinah]

Oh, I understand now xD

Nice avi !

Yea I'll stop here lol~

 

[JUDGE]

thx lol you too^^
i think we have ta quit this nao otherwise we might get an infraction point for minor spamming lol^^