urban_shinobi
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i'd go with kabutops or scyther. and one of meowth's other costumes could be the one that the one guy new in series has ( that wears boots and a cowboy hat)
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what you think and what you know is practicly the same thing... anyway, only symbolic pokemon should be in the game anyway. having a wtf pokemon like kabutops would be pointless because even though it is cool, it wouldnt be what people want, and thats what should be getting in the most. do you want to see how dragoinite is a symbol? heres some ways: the dragon symbol (this is a fact, whenever you see a pokemon representing dragons, it is dragonite. on top of that, dragonite and its pre-evo's were the only dragons in the first game), a powerful pokemon symbol (it was the first pokemon to have the biggest attack in the game), a boss symbol (the D thread proves that), a popular to fans symbol (it was on the top 20 list of pokemon poll. every pokemon fan likes dragonite and it is a favourite pokemon to many). get it through your head that i dont want dragonite because it is my favourite pokemon.No, i didnt. Saying what you think people need, and saying what you know are two different things. I said that we need some unpopular pokemon. that's because many of the pokemon in the game are big symbols, which sadly dragonite is not. it's just mysterious, and "as intelligent as humans". That doesnt make it a symbol, nor does the fact that it is your favorite pokemon.
it is bull... did sakurai officially say "for the character submissions, no more 1st gen pokemon will be accepted" or anything like that? he didnt, although he put a classic character in the game and forgot about introducing any of the latest characters. the producers of brawl are making it for the brawl fans, and 95% of them know at least all the first generation. you know how they can fully represent the 3rd gen? by instead of putting one of their crap designed pokemon in, putting groudon and kyogre in pokeballs and make them practicly uber. not everything lots of people tell you is true. i get the majority of people telling me that the PSP is better than the DS and nintendo games suck because they arent gangsta' enough for them. do you think i listen to them?Older pokemon not standing mush of a chance isn't bull, but it is truth. older pokemon may be the best in your opinion, but your not thinking of it in a producers stadpoint. they arent just making the game for people who can remember the older pokemon. they have to come to an agreement over all the eyars they missed, and how to fully represent the newest generation. heck, i want poliwrath in the game, but i know it won't ever happen. many kids in Japan, and in America who are just getting not pokmon arent going to know what the hell many of the oldies are. i couldnt have contradicted myself if i state an my personal opinion and what i get from a bunch of people.
oh yeah. they look better eh? i cant argue with that, i mean everyone must agree with you right? auctually, everyone has realised that the newer pokemon keep looking worse and worse. maybe they will have 1 cool looking pokemon, but that isnt going to rep the whole game. the first pokemon are the best looking ones, and they are getting better stats then the newer ones. (look at dragonite having dragon dance put in as learnable and outrage made for it in the 4th gen)The only reason newer pokemon don't get better, is because your mindset is on a game with a bunch of old pokemon again and again and again. Newer pokemon do get better. Newer ones look somewhat better, and have great stats.
yeah i know what type of game pokemon is. they are getting worse. older pokemon are getting better during every gen and having their stats fit their moves on top of other things. on top of that, they remain as the best designed pokemon.pokemon isnt just a constant attack game. you need to use some strategy when battling, whether it is to up ur attack so that when you decide to use your move it will be a one hit KO, or whether or not you'll play defense and wait for an opening to attack. They dont get worsed, it is just that some new ones are unneeded.
like i told you before, new pokemon and new products are 2 things. why is the chance of no new pokemon high? there isnt anything to back up that opinion.I do apoligize for that typo, but now that i think about it, it is more of an inference. If you look at everyday life, or even TV commercial, on every channel you wont see a commercial from like 10+ years ago that often, if at all. there is a high chance that no new pokemon from the R/B series will go into the game, because it is old. I didint say impossible, but not as likely as lucario or blazekin ( not to say any of those 2 would make it in)
yeah, i know this argument is pointless. whats your point? didnt you say you like arguing? or do you want to throw in the towl? older pokemon arent wtf characters. less popular pokemon are wtf characetrs. any 1st gen pokemon wouldnt be a wtf character because everyone would know it, unlike the newer pokemon which would be more of wtf characters. (poorly designed character with a low fanbase and only getting in for the fact that it is newer? sounds more like a wtf character than a cool looking character known by everyone and getting in based on its popularity)Global warming doesnt have anything to do withpokemon, I was trying to make a dumb point. Older pokemon COULD be the be the best, but they have a lesser chance of getting into a newer game. Sure they may throw in like one,( you kow, like the WTF character in Melee Mr.Game & Watch/Ice Climber) but again, highly unlikely. your taking this too seriously. If i'm you just contradicted yourself, because of you cant notice it is a contradiction then it isnt. i sitll cant see wtf older vs newer pokemon had to do in this bit. The global warming part was about the fact that the arguement your making is pointless. im mean come on, there are like 5 regulars on this thing.
maybe its some country unique company. you know there isnt any walmarts in australia?if you dont know who petco is, then that just means you spend too much time indoors. i think I used their name wrong though, i dunno if all of them sell pets ( one of em here does)
i still dont get ya.. pokemon is fictional?Fictional fact count as unreal tidbits of info. you're quoting a pokedex for crying out loud.
the only factor for getting in is popularity and importance. i do try and make sense of your random rambling, but it still makes no sense.I NEVER SAID HE COULDNT BE PUT IN, BUT IT IS RATHER UNLIKEY FOR HIM TO GO IN WITH SO MANY NEWER POKEMON ON THE MARKET. i have some bad word order, and i apoligize for that, but just try and make sense of it. that can go a long way in you yourself not being confused
usually i use the quick reply stuff, so i dont check my work and write my thoughts as they come. Still, half the stuff that made no sense to you would have if you'd think for a while.
hmm... i still cant make any sense out of that... "cuz that fits the not real category also"?and dont come here with all this pokedex stuff, cuz that fits the not real category also.
nice use of accents...lol... (some people have too much time)I'd love to have Kabutops in, he's definitely one of my favorite Pokémon.
So how is Dragonite so important as to counter it's relatively low popularity? (popularity as shown by this poll)the only factor for getting in is popularity and importance.
im not gonna list reasons, because the D thread has plenty of them. its important in the games it has been in. besides, im sure Dragonite is popular to the majority. some people dont vote for it because of some stupid doubts (look at urban shinobi). this thread should be restarted...So how is Dragonite so important as to counter it's relatively low popularity? (popularity as shown by this poll)
i agree that every character should have a somewhat humanoid structure, but i dont agree with the bit about them having to be fast 100%. we have enough fast characters already, and the amount of strong characters is lacking. if you mean fast as in agile, i agree with you there. we cant have a character that cant run and jump.Blaziken should make it.ANd for any pokemon to make it it has to be humanlike and fast.That would exsclude blastoise charzard ect....There should be another topic that has what pokemon should come out of the poke ball.
So a powerful enemy (but not THE FINAL legendary) has 2 dragonites in 2 different games makes it important?im not gonna list reasons, because the D thread has plenty of them. its important in the games it has been in. besides, im sure Dragonite is popular to the majority. some people dont vote for it because of some stupid doubts (look at urban shinobi). this thread should be restarted...
ummm.......... translation? anyway, heres something from an earlier post i made recently:So a powerful enemy (but not THE FINAL legendary) has 2 dragonites in 2 different games makes it important?
Peety Pirana has better credentials.
do you want to see how dragonite is a symbol? heres some ways: the dragon symbol (this is a fact, whenever you see a pokemon representing dragons, it is dragonite. on top of that, dragonite and its pre-evo's were the only dragons in the first game), a powerful pokemon symbol (it was the first pokemon to have the biggest attack in the game), a boss symbol (the D thread proves that), a popular to fans symbol (it was on the top 20 list of pokemon poll. every pokemon fan likes dragonite and it is a favourite pokemon to many).
if you're refering to Dragonite, it does walk on its legs. it is seen flying most of the time because of the circumstances it is under.if you saw it fighting a machamp in the anime, i doubt it would be flying around. anyway, whats wrong with winged characters? we already have 2 arriving. kirby can fly limitlessy in its games.Pokemon with wings or doesn't walk on 2 legs = bad in my opinion
combine a few moves with others, give them some unique traits, and they could be good. what about aerial ace? a dive that switches to a swift attack like a raptor boost turns into an uppercut.Now in the Pokemon world, what would be an attack that is also a recovery??? Quick Attack and Teleport is already taken, and Jigglypuff's floaty Pound is understandable...
/yourselfI hope they replace mewtwo because he sucks.
Pichu should stay because he was a fun charecter to play.
I'd be cool if my favorite pokemon tyranitar was in it but hes prably slower than bowser
What he does .The only thing good about him is his grabs/yourself
Please.
Well, I'm referring to every Pokemon in general... As for flying, I still am questioning the flying ability of Meta Knight and Pit, especially in one of the trailer where they show Meta Knight being able to glide... Kirby is understandable since he needs to breathe a bunch of air to be able to fly or float...if you're refering to Dragonite, it does walk on its legs. it is seen flying most of the time because of the circumstances it is under.if you saw it fighting a machamp in the anime, i doubt it would be flying around. anyway, whats wrong with winged characters? we already have 2 arriving. kirby can fly limitlessy in its games.
Combination attacks wouldn't work since:FiErCe_oNi said:combine a few moves with others, give them some unique traits, and they could be good. what about aerial ace? a dive that switches to a swift attack like a raptor boost turns into an uppercut.
No, what you know and think are two different things that you need to distinguish between. what you know can mainly be related to facts, unless of course your an idiot who belives everything he/she hears. what you think can be anything. fact or fiction. having a wtf pokemon would be great, because a gret wtf character would be dragonite. but sadly, your reasons are misguided. dragonite isnt a symbol: charizard is a dragon, and if it isnt then that is a horrible mistake on the part of the creators. Snorlax, Aeordactyl, and Gyrados learn hyper beam, the move that i think your talking about. i'd rather have snorlax in the game than dragonite, because it's more of a symbol than dragoinite. remeber that although they are making this for fans of the game (SSB not POKEMON) that they also want more consumers to buy that havent played before. in truth, snorlax would be better as a playable character, than just in a pokeball. ( but again, like many of the guesses here everyone has made, highly unlikely). a boss symbol? that's just whack. it's a boss, but that's really not important. everyone overcame the challenge. so what. and although it was ppular to fans, what about the other guy. I'm sure there are alot of fans of SSB who hate pokemon. the business needs to cater to them as well. dont say that you dont want dragointe because it isnt your favorite pokemon. that's the reason why many have come to this post. im mean hell, you made a friggin shrine.(creepy)Quote:
Originally Posted by urban_shinobi
No, i didnt. Saying what you think people need, and saying what you know are two different things. I said that we need some unpopular pokemon. that's because many of the pokemon in the game are big symbols, which sadly dragonite is not. it's just mysterious, and "as intelligent as humans". That doesnt make it a symbol, nor does the fact that it is your favorite pokemon.
what you think and what you know is practicly the same thing... anyway, only symbolic pokemon should be in the game anyway. having a wtf pokemon like kabutops would be pointless because even though it is cool, it wouldnt be what people want, and thats what should be getting in the most. do you want to see how dragoinite is a symbol? heres some ways: the dragon symbol (this is a fact, whenever you see a pokemon representing dragons, it is dragonite. on top of that, dragonite and its pre-evo's were the only dragons in the first game), a powerful pokemon symbol (it was the first pokemon to have the biggest attack in the game), a boss symbol (the D thread proves that), a popular to fans symbol (it was on the top 20 list of pokemon poll. every pokemon fan likes dragonite and it is a favourite pokemon to many). get it through your head that i dont want dragonite because it is my favourite pokemon.
again and again and again i have to repeat it. This game isnt just for the fans of SSB. In order to have the highest amount of sales, and for replay value, they have to make it to custom not only the fans, but anyone who seems slightly interested to come and and play. you cant go and just put in any pokemon, but rather pokemon that are always there, and will be here later in the series. Snorlax is still in the later series, and Blazeken/Combusken are both up and comers. It's either they put in a regualr in the the show/any media , or a pokemon that had a big part in movies. we, the smash fans of america, arent the only ones playing.Quote:
Older pokemon not standing mush of a chance isn't bull, but it is truth. older pokemon may be the best in your opinion, but your not thinking of it in a producers stadpoint. they arent just making the game for people who can remember the older pokemon. they have to come to an agreement over all the eyars they missed, and how to fully represent the newest generation. heck, i want poliwrath in the game, but i know it won't ever happen. many kids in Japan, and in America who are just getting not pokmon arent going to know what the hell many of the oldies are. i couldnt have contradicted myself if i state an my personal opinion and what i get from a bunch of people.
it is bull... did sakurai officially say "for the character submissions, no more 1st gen pokemon will be accepted" or anything like that? he didnt, although he put a classic character in the game and forgot about introducing any of the latest characters. the producers of brawl are making it for the brawl fans, and 95% of them know at least all the first generation. you know how they can fully represent the 3rd gen? by instead of putting one of their crap designed pokemon in, putting groudon and kyogre in pokeballs and make them practicly uber. not everything lots of people tell you is true. i get the majority of people telling me that the PSP is better than the DS and nintendo games suck because they arent gangsta' enough for them. do you think i listen to them?
What's wrong with you. Everyone has to agree? Heck no. New pokemon arent looking worse and worse. Your vision of pokemon is gtting worse and worse. You want games that have the same old crap over and over again. Better stats and better looking are your views, so dont hypocrisize yourself by making it seem like that is true. all because a pokemon gets newer moves, or that it's stats get raised doesnt make it better than all the rest guess. maybe the stats are raised so that the older ones can keep up. it's like giving viagra to a senior. you take that away, and guess who greatly surpasses who.Quote:
The only reason newer pokemon don't get better, is because your mindset is on a game with a bunch of old pokemon again and again and again. Newer pokemon do get better. Newer ones look somewhat better, and have great stats.
oh yeah. they look better eh? i cant argue with that, i mean everyone must agree with you right? auctually, everyone has realised that the newer pokemon keep looking worse and worse. maybe they will have 1 cool looking pokemon, but that isnt going to rep the whole game. the first pokemon are the best looking ones, and they are getting better stats then the newer ones. (look at dragonite having dragon dance put in as learnable and outrage made for it in the 4th gen)
obviously you dont. again, in order to balance the game they have to raise their stats. it's only fair. the were design as more of a stone age like race. newer pokemon are getting much more advanced, and frankly i think some look much better.Quote:
pokemon isnt just a constant attack game. you need to use some strategy when battling, whether it is to up ur attack so that when you decide to use your move it will be a one hit KO, or whether or not you'll play defense and wait for an opening to attack. They dont get worsed, it is just that some new ones are unneeded.
yeah i know what type of game pokemon is. they are getting worse. older pokemon are getting better during every gen and having their stats fit their moves on top of other things. on top of that, they remain as the best designed pokemon.
No, you fail to understand comparisons. They dont have to be the same, or revelant. they just have to be able to prove a point ( which is impossible for you, due to you lack of knowledge). I said that no new pokemon into the game of SSB ( not new to the pokemon franchise). Look at this whole post, actually the first few ones. All new. All have a hhigher possiblity of going in.Quote:
I do apoligize for that typo, but now that i think about it, it is more of an inference. If you look at everyday life, or even TV commercial, on every channel you wont see a commercial from like 10+ years ago that often, if at all. there is a high chance that no new pokemon from the R/B series will go into the game, because it is old. I didint say impossible, but not as likely as lucario or blazekin ( not to say any of those 2 would make it in)
like i told you before, new pokemon and new products are 2 things. why is the chance of no new pokemon high? there isnt anything to back up that opinion.
This arguement is pointless because of what your arguing for. I never said i didnt want dragonite in the game/ nor did i said it wasnt a favorite of mine. I'm stating the possiblity of many of the R/B series pokemon getting into SSB is low. No ones throwing the towl( w/e the hell that is). yes, any 1st gen would be a WTF character. not everyone would know it. What about the others, the children, the people who dont even like pokemon. Everyone wont know it (thing your think). Many people would know it(thing I know). A new pokemon is going to be able to be for everyone. Old pokemon, although cool and what brought us up as kids, are going to be wtf characters if they get in. I was stunned by mewtwo in SSBM, not pichu. again, dont say stuff that cant partain to everyone, not just teens, or fans.Quote:
Global warming doesnt have anything to do withpokemon, I was trying to make a dumb point. Older pokemon COULD be the be the best, but they have a lesser chance of getting into a newer game. Sure they may throw in like one,( you kow, like the WTF character in Melee Mr.Game & Watch/Ice Climber) but again, highly unlikely. your taking this too seriously. If i'm you just contradicted yourself, because of you cant notice it is a contradiction then it isnt. i sitll cant see wtf older vs newer pokemon had to do in this bit. The global warming part was about the fact that the arguement your making is pointless. im mean come on, there are like 5 regulars on this thing.
yeah, i know this argument is pointless. whats your point? didnt you say you like arguing? or do you want to throw in the towl? older pokemon arent wtf characters. less popular pokemon are wtf characetrs. any 1st gen pokemon wouldnt be a wtf character because everyone would know it, unlike the newer pokemon which would be more of wtf characters. (poorly designed character with a low fanbase and only getting in for the fact that it is newer? sounds more like a wtf character than a cool looking character known by everyone and getting in based on its popularity)
ok, come on. stop acting dumb. IT HAS THE WORD PET IN IT. obviously it has something to do with domesticated animals (P..E..T..S). run a dang google search.Quote:
if you dont know who petco is, then that just means you spend too much time indoors. i think I used their name wrong though, i dunno if all of them sell pets ( one of em here does)
maybe its some country unique company. you know there isnt any walmarts in australia?
yea it is. what type of weed to they have in Austrailia man. HELLO. you cnat just go and expect everything you see on tv, or on your gameboy. grow a reality gland man.Quote:
Fictional fact count as unreal tidbits of info. you're quoting a pokedex for crying out loud.
i still dont get ya.. pokemon is fictional?
yea, that is the only factors. Some kids cant vote, and they have to make a decision also on movie sales, game sales, and reviews for games. it doesnt make sense because of the lack of brain capacity, and lack of actual british school teachings in Aussieland.Quote:
I NEVER SAID HE COULDNT BE PUT IN, BUT IT IS RATHER UNLIKEY FOR HIM TO GO IN WITH SO MANY NEWER POKEMON ON THE MARKET. i have some bad word order, and i apoligize for that, but just try and make sense of it. that can go a long way in you yourself not being confused
the only factor for getting in is popularity and importance. i do try and make sense of your random rambling, but it still makes no sense.
pokemon arent real, thus pokedex isnt real either. so try and make sense of stuff, i know it's a strain for you, but someday you'll be in me grade group and you'll understand.Quote:
usually i use the quick reply stuff, so i dont check my work and write my thoughts as they come. Still, half the stuff that made no sense to you would have if you'd think for a while.
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and dont come here with all this pokedex stuff, cuz that fits the not real category also.
hmm... i still cant make any sense out of that... "cuz that fits the not real category also"?
I hate your agruement. Mewtwo perhaps might be a sucky character tournamentwise, but he sure is very fun to play as. More fun then Pichu atleast... ;>_> And Melee performance doesn't say **** about how Mewtwo is gonna be in Brawl.I hope they replace mewtwo because he sucks.
You are talking to someone who takes Mewtwo to tournies, and did 100% to Zelgadis's Fox in a 4 stock match.What he does .The only thing good about him is his grabs
No, Salamence is not a better choice. A popular Pokemon? Sure. Powerful? Yes. But a good Smash choice? No. He doesn't fit the Smash physical requirements (Can't stand upright, can't hold items, getting grabbed would be akward, etc.).o yea, and salamence is a much better choice.
Why should it be restarted? Restarting it with the 100+ pokemon seems kind of odd seeing as theres a few pokemon not on the list that people wanted to vote for (but not many agree on said unlisted pokemon so w/e).Oh, and in other news, I'm petitioning McFox to restart the poll at the 1000 vote, keeping only the characters that receved over 10% of the vote. (that is, 100 votes)
If everyone else could PM Mcfox, with (1000 vote) somewhere in the title, we could get this restarted.
are u actualy serious about snorlax being a top tier or are u just joking about it. coz i dont realy understand how u cud b serious."Snorlax is waaayyyyy better in popularity, and i don care what polls say."
Yup snorlax is pretty much THE most usefull pokemon it has ever been.
in all 4 Generation of pokemon, Snorlax has been a top tier pokemon. n'uff said.
but now... snorlax has been in a pokeball in the past 2 Smash games...
but in D/P he gets a pre-evolution called Munchlax.
who is VERY Popular in Japan, and has High Anime Status, apearing for almost a Year in every episode.
IMO Munchlax has really good chances of bein' in.