Whats with the camping?

[Shai Hulud]

Because this site is rated G lolz!

Also, I win at forum-camping.

 

[trademark0013]

When you practice melee against COMPUTERS it is more rewarding. This is not hte case with Brawl.

When you practice against PEOPLE, when you train your MIND instead of just your FINGERS, it is incredibly rewarding.

not even. u can practice tech skill w/ or w/o computers.
playing against ppl doesnt always train ur mind. playing with noobs makes ur mind worse actually. and u train ur mind in melee WAY more than in brawl.

Are you sayin Melee was all about how fast you could go?

that seems to be implied, doesnt it?

Brawl is more strategic than Melee. Believe it.

I think u jus wanted to get a naruto quote in there. lol

Anyone complaining about camping in Brawl apparently never played a melee tournament set against a Fox on Green Greens, Corneria, or Jungle Japes, where being tagged by a single laser meant eight minutes of chasing after a character with unparalleled mobility, having to jump through gaps or other obstacles to get to said character, who also happened to posess almost unparalleled anti-air, and who could then go for the gimp or illusion to safety and proceed to laser tag your ***.

GG

Nothing in Brawl yet is as bad as that. Not Pit, not R.O.B., not Zelda, not Snake, not even the spacies themselves. I find this disdain for camping in Brawl ironic, since the unbearable dip towards camping that Melee took towards the last year of tournaments before Brawl was the main reason my interest in playing Melee competitively pretty much disappeared.

that first paragraph sounds like a john

gg

of course nothing is bad. no characters are bad. theyre all well balanced and fun to play... jus as sakurai intended

 

[soap]

english dubbed naruto sucks balls. believe it. i just ordered Gnt 4 from japan cuz brawl is so boring and i need another game

also i agree with shai, the technical/quick paced flashy aspect of melee is what hooked me in, but the mindgames are what give it staying power. brawl has a mental game too, but i want both.

 

[FrostByte]

Brawl isn't more strategic. It's just less technical and there's no paralell between the two.

High risk low reward in almost every case.

 

[BlackPanther]

Brawl is more strategic than Melee. Believe it.

Lol, that's just what I was expecting from someone such as yourself whatever.

I believe it's much more rewarding to train both your mind and fingers instead of just your mind. Why train one thing when you can train both and see the work that you've put into both pays off instead of just one thing O_o. If you guys care about thinking so much play chess there's a lot of thinking there. Smash is your game where your hands are required to do more than just move pieces around on a board so why not work them a little bit which Brawl has taken out of the loop. Well no more arguing for me I will continue to play Melee, the game I find much more rewarding, and wait for the day when Brawl is no longer this game that everyone worships and Melee and Brawl are on equal footing or better yet, Melee comes back as the game on top =).

 

[pockyD]

at this point in time, brawl is not more strategic at all

when you only have 3 options at a certain point instead of 10, it's a shallower game

sure, hopefully eventually there will be techniques in brawl that allow you to do more than those 3 things, but until those things are discovered, it not be as deep as melee

"give it time"? yeah, i can buy that... but you can't say it WILL be deeper until you find that depth

if i dig a hole in the ground, cover it up, and tell you it extends a mile beneath the earth's surface, would you believe me? just because such things have existed in the past doesn't mean all new holes are that deep

and yes i used a slightly stupid analogy just so i could re-use the word "deep", because without repetition, a lot of simpletons get confused by metaphors

 

[slikvik]

Brawl is more strategic than Melee. Believe it.

lol. play melee at a high level and get back to me

 

[Overswarm]

Lol, that's just what I was expecting from someone such as yourself whatever.

I believe it's much more rewarding to train both your mind and fingers instead of just your mind. Why train one thing when you can train both and see the work that you've put into both pays off instead of just one thing O_o. If you guys care about thinking so much play chess there's a lot of thinking there. Smash is your game where your hands are required to do more than just move pieces around on a board so why not work them a little bit which Brawl has taken out of the loop. Well no more arguing for me I will continue to play Melee, the game I find much more rewarding, and wait for the day when Brawl is no longer this game that everyone worships and Melee and Brawl are on equal footing or better yet, Melee comes back as the game on top =).

Lol, that's just what I was expecting from someone such as yourself whatever.

I believe it's much more rewarding to train both your mind and fingers instead of just your mind. Why train one thing when you can train both and see the work that you've put into both pays off instead of just one thing O_o. If you guys care about using your body so much play sports there's a lot of movement there. Smash is your game where your mind is required to do more than just do automatic combos and the same old thing around a stage so why not work your mind a little bit which Melee took out of the loop. Well no more arguing for me I will continue to play Brawl, the game I find much more rewarding, and wait for the day when Melee is no longer this game that everyone worships and people stop complaining because they just aren't any good.

 

[hova]

ultradavid and overswarm fail

pockyD wins... people should stop taking everything so seriously and just play the game they enjoy with the people they enjoy playing with

 

[Endless Nightmares]

lmao @ Overswarm's reply

give it time, not melee 2.0, barely scratched the surface, cry moar, camping's gay, etc etc

 

[BlackPanther]

Lol you've forced me to say somethin. I wouldn't have cared but you took my text and changed it xD. For one thing there aren't any finger sports out there, combos weren't automatic and you had to use your mind as much in Melee as you do in Brawl it isn't different at all. Doin the same **** over and over won't happen to Brawl? Is there a secret move set that I've not heard of? I don't think so everyone still has their tilts, aerials, smashes, etc. with the inclusion of easy recovery and slower gameplay for drawn out repetitive matches. If that's what you call working your mind more then count me out.

 

[Mew2King]

lol wow melee is way more than training your fingers, due to the games ENGINE you can do a lot of things. People barely scratched the surface of melee even over 6 years, game engine is super important.

camping is very very effective it's just very very boring

the better i get at melee the more I want to attack cuz it's fun, and sheik can attack fine without getting punished not just fox and falco

 

[-Hoggle-]

lol wow melee is way more than training your fingers, due to the games ENGINE you can do a lot of things. People barely scratched the surface of melee even over 6 years, game engine is super important.

Well the game engine is the core of game play for any video game. A very simple idea and unfortunately brawl's engine is designed for camping and not combos.

 

[Plairnkk]

OS you are failing awfully

 

[BIG C]

I understand the training your mind and I don't suck at brawl I'm not as good at it as I was at melee but that's because of the time I put into melee. As far as Brawl goes I don't what to put time into a game that isn't even fun to practice the game is going to degenerate from all 35 chars being played to the like top 10 and that will be the chars that have best "air control" and fair/bair game. Every game in brawl will either be camping or a jigglypuff ditto well in melee terms a jigglypuff ditto. It will all be chip damage back and forth then a few setups into your KO move.

Unless something as groundbreaking as l-cancel or wavedash comes to it so u can come in with ease the game won't go very far as figting goes. I have yet to see a guaranteed combo in bralw other than like uptilt 4 or 5 times at certain percents maybe into an aerial. These combos are the most ridic thing I have ever seen. I'm not complaining because of the lack of the adv tactics of melee I'm just stating what I have seen from the game. Everybody just uses a couple moves because they are the easiest and most efficient auto cancels until they can kill. Then it's time to wait for an opportunity to get their KO move out.

Without the advance tactics for your fingers the game is just slow and spacing not saying that is a bad thing, but as I stated before it makes the game more about knowledge and memorization. So instead of being able to improv into stuff it's just oh ima stay this far away from Game n' Watch because none of his hitboxes reach this far and wait till I can get in. This to me makes the game boring and repetitive I still think it's fun to play like in friendlies or in teams but as far as competitive singles the game just lacks the spark that melee had.

 

[thumbswayup]

chudat is now hosting melee only biweeklies. no johns now plank.

 

[Mew2King]

I never want to hear the argument that the gameplay hasn't evolved, because as far as I'm concerned melee has infinite room for improvement because of the engine that it has.

I don't like camping, I used to love camping in the earlier 07 and 06 but as time goes on I get sick of it. Now comes brawl and it's more dominant than before and I'm more sick of it than before, so I guess my timing just sucks. I don't know about you, but I like overwhelming opponents more now than I did a year ago, and that to me is a fun feeling where you are able to just outspace/outsmart people and combo them and edge guard them and everything. Melee's way more fun on a competitive level with way more depth to it.

"Combos" are much less in Brawl than in Melee, and no matter how you look at it, "mindgames" are still partial luck.





edit - "chudat is now hosting melee only biweeklies. no johns now plank."


WTF REALLY?

IF YOU'RE NOT LYING, GOOD ****

if you are lying I'll be a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

 

[-Hoggle-]

^ big c that post has similar viewpoints of brawl as I do and was a well-written post.

 

[BIG C]

Thank you Hoggle I don't normally get compliments on me haveing a well-written post.

But I'd also like to add I don't play street fighter or tekken or naything because the game is all memorization and knowledge. You memorize combos and frame data that is provided in game at least in tekken 4 it was. The game consists of blocking until you have positive frames to do your memorized 10-hit button combo. That's tekken street fighter games are all "turtling" as well you sit there and block until you can throw out your hadoken or w/e. This definitely makes those games boring and repetitive.

As far as melee goes as long as you knew how to l-cancel you could pretty much use w/e move you wanted to as long as you could SHFFL which to me is a little bit more than memorization because when I stopped playing melee I wasn't perfect at it at all and after playing the game for 4 or 5 years and practicing I figure I would be if it was just memorization.

 

[thumbswayup]

I never want to hear the argument that the gameplay hasn't evolved, because as far as I'm concerned melee has infinite room for improvement because of the engine that it has.

I don't like camping, I used to love camping in the earlier 07 and 06 but as time goes on I get sick of it. Now comes brawl and it's more dominant than before and I'm more sick of it than before, so I guess my timing just sucks. I don't know about you, but I like overwhelming opponents more now than I did a year ago, and that to me is a fun feeling where you are able to just outspace/outsmart people and combo them and edge guard them and everything. Melee's way more fun on a competitive level with way more depth to it.

"Combos" are much less in Brawl than in Melee, and no matter how you look at it, "mindgames" are still partial luck.





edit - "chudat is now hosting melee only biweeklies. no johns now plank."


WTF REALLY?

IF YOU'RE NOT LYING, GOOD ****

if you are lying I'll be a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad panda.

Yup, check out his thread. April 26th is the next one. He's quiting brawl and bringing melee back to this area. Try to make it so I can play you, I've met you before several times but i=I have never once played any match against you. Most likely you'd three stock me though lol.

 

[ELI-mination]

Combos that are inescapable are just muscle memory.

Combos that you follow your opponent by predicting them are more skillful, and sure there's a little bit of luck... but that's how you outsmart your opponent. Not by pulling a Genei Jin in third strike with Yun.... except in Melee it's like one shine with Fox and you're dead....

At least in Brawl everybody won't be using the same 4 or 5 characters. Try beating a Marth at Mew2king's level in melee using like Ness or something.

Btw, don't even dare try to make arguments about skill if you have to rely on characters like Marth and Fox in melee, Mew2king. *****.

 

[Brightside6382]

Thank you Hoggle I don't normally get compliments on me haveing a well-written post.

But I'd also like to add I don't play street fighter or tekken or naything because the game is all memorization and knowledge. You memorize combos and frame data that is provided in game at least in tekken 4 it was. The game consists of blocking until you have positive frames to do your memorized 10-hit button combo. That's tekken street fighter games are all "turtling" as well you sit there and block until you can throw out your hadoken or w/e. This definitely makes those games boring and repetitive.

As far as melee goes as long as you knew how to l-cancel you could pretty much use w/e move you wanted to as long as you could SHFFL which to me is a little bit more than memorization because when I stopped playing melee I wasn't perfect at it at all and after playing the game for 4 or 5 years and practicing I figure I would be if it was just memorization.

lol sorry Big C I dont know if what you said is true about Tekken 4 but when it comes to ST u are so far from right .

 

[Plairnkk]

Combos that are inescapable are just muscle memory.

Combos that you follow your opponent by predicting them are more skillful, and sure there's a little bit of luck... but that's how you outsmart your opponent. Not by pulling a Genei Jin in third strike with Yun.... except in Melee it's like one shine with Fox and you're dead....

At least in Brawl everybody won't be using the same 4 or 5 characters. Try beating a Marth at Mew2king's level in melee using like Ness or something.

Btw, don't even dare try to make arguments about skill if you have to rely on characters like Marth and Fox in melee, Mew2king. *****.

Wtf are u talking about? I want to see where u newbies get this idea that "ZOMG SO MANY CHARS IN BRAWL ARE USEABLE"

In melee chu could use low tiers and do well. M2K's ness would beat the hell out of 99.99% of smash players. In brawl there's nothing to help awful slow characters at all, what basing is there that more characters are useable?

In the end Brawl is going to have just as few playable characters at a high level as melee did, the only reason it seems "balanced" right now is because people haven't learned the in's and out's of abusing characters yet.

And seriously, melee combos were rarely 100%. You people act like everytime you get hit once in melee you were dead. Maybe YOU were dead when YOU got hit because YOU were awful at the game and didn't know basic fundamentals of escaping combos.

And if you're predicting someone and following them to hit them it's not a "combo" it's just hitting them again. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but you can't attempt to justify that as a legitimate combo.

 

[BlackPanther]

Combos that are inescapable are just muscle memory.

Combos that you follow your opponent by predicting them are more skillful, and sure there's a little bit of luck... but that's how you outsmart your opponent. Not by pulling a Genei Jin in third strike with Yun.... except in Melee it's like one shine with Fox and you're dead....

At least in Brawl everybody won't be using the same 4 or 5 characters. Try beating a Marth at Mew2king's level in melee using like Ness or something.

Btw, don't even dare try to make arguments about skill if you have to rely on characters like Marth and Fox in melee, Mew2king. *****.

Don't be an idiot. A jiggly puff just whopped on M2K in a recent tourney. If you're smart, which obviously you're not since you just brought up Fox bein the only guy who can gimp kill and combo, then you would know that Fox isn't all that powerful, when was the last time you heard of one winning a tournament? And about using the same 4-5 characters, another unintelligent comment because I'm not seein a difference with Brawl. Pit, Metaknight, Marth, G&W, and Rob are the only ones I've seen so far in tourneys. And you know part of combos is muscle memory but it's also based on thinking because you have to think of the next move to do depending on your opponents DI, combos just don't happen only an idiot like yourself would think so.

 

[BIG C]

M2K can prolly beat most of the smash community with the lower tier chars. He just realizes that it's a better option to use a better character like most people. Don't complain about not using a high tier char because it's your choice not to.

Muscle-memory combos sure, but if you get hit in the air more than 3 times while still being in the air in brawl it's because you lack the knowledge of hitting L when you should or you fall for something. In melee I did brawl-esque combos more than melee-esque combos anyway. They work in melee the same way it's just that in Brawl it really shouldn't happen and they aren't really combos because you knock them across the stage then have to go catch them and hit them again that isn't a combo sure it's hitting moves in succession but it's not in such a succession to be considered a combo. There are at least 3 seconds inbetween normally. This is just generally boring and un satisfying to see and play.

This is a match with one of the campiest players I know in melee http://youtube.com/watch?v=-ThlReTkmTg his 3rd stock I kill him with a Brawl-esque combo. Watch how he plays compared to me he is camping the majority of the time I still win do I win by camping back? No the whole time I go at him with attacks to counter his camping. This worked in melee in Brawl it is incredibly difficult and an almost completely unreliable strat. The slowness of the game stops it, this strat works with chars like metaknight and others that moves go thru most stuff.

 

[pockyD]

Most likely you'd three stock me though lol.

don't overestimate yoursef

At least in Brawl everybody won't be using the same 4 or 5 characters. Try beating a Marth at Mew2king's level in melee using like Ness or something.

Btw, don't even dare try to make arguments about skill if you have to rely on characters like Marth and Fox in melee, Mew2king. *****.

m2k would probably **** 99% of the smash population with almost any char

and just watch, as brawl evolves without general techs for all chars, there will be an even smaller subset of usable characters in brawl... right now, people still don't understand their character counters/matchups, but when those get fleshed out, brawl's viable character count will drop drastically

 

[BIG C]

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[BIG C]

double post mah bad didnt mean to when i was looking at the page it didnt show my last post.

lol sorry Big C I dont know if what you said is true about Tekken 4 but when it comes to ST u are so far from right .

well i dunno much about SF but I do know how that ken beat the chun li at evo with the epic comeback was all him just turtling for his special.
As for tekken it definitely is the way ppl play they do combos at each other while the other blocks they go for grabs too but idk it's not that great it's normally hitting blocks back and forth til someone triumphs by their opponent messing up a block or the attacker having negative frames.

and there isn't really a reliable way to pressure people to fight in Brawl if there was I think I would like the game much more.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Fox and Marth don't take skill?

Fox requires the most technical skill of any character except maybe IC's and a few others and Marth arguable requires the most thought of the top tiers since his ground game is less safe overall and he has glaring weaknesses that Marth players need to take into account when they play as him. Namely his inability to combo into a kill move at high percents and his lack of killer aerials although these weaknesses are mitigated by good edgeguarding.

 

[hova]

Big C- i really don't like people that insult Smash when they have no idea what they are talking about, so please stop insulting SF

that comeback at Evo was pretty amazing, the Ken was more or less getting whooped rather than turtling and managed to pull out an amazing series of parries to win

 

[Omni]

hova is bad at guitar hero

melee is fun. brawl is fun.

brawl makes you bad in melee tho i.e. missing sweetspots and trying to grab the ledge with your back.

overswarm is overgay

i really like brawl tho

 

[Mew2King]

pffft pound3 was chokage, ill have my revenge in the near future should someone host a big melee tourney. Come on Kishes do it!!!! Elimination that was quite possibly the most intelligent post I've ever seen, you know a lot about me and melee and competitive play. MM my Pichu with your main character. Hopefully you even know what MM means, *****.

 

[BIG C]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEWSO6NrQo

I'm sorry hova and brightside watching this match leads me to believe that I was right go forward go back sweep kick over and over. block for positive frames when ken does his shoryuken leads to chun li's round won. Yea they do their supers out of stuff it's a skillful game but its still go forward go back sweep kick and block or parry into stuff. It's incredibly fast-paced and more like melee than brawl in that aspect and combos but it is still like go forward, go back, sweep kick or block and parry into ur specials. which is in fact like brawl.

 

[Brightside6382]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEWSO6NrQo

I'm sorry hova and brightside watching this match leads me to believe that I was right go forward go back sweep kick over and over. block for positive frames when ken does his shoryuken leads to chun li's round won. Yea they do their supers out of stuff it's a skillful game but its still go forward go back sweep kick and block or parry into stuff. It's incredibly fast-paced and more like melee than brawl in that aspect and combos but it is still like go forward, go back, sweep kick or block and parry into ur specials. which is in fact like brawl.

Of course it looks simple from an outsider looking in but if you were to better understand 3S in general you would see a much deeper game as we do in melee. You fail to see the amazing spacing/pressure game that both players use. The constant footsies to weave in and out of range to bait attacks is nearly identical to melee's DD'ing if you want to compare them. I can go into more detail but you should get the point. It's just a lack of understanding.

If you don't know much about 3S honestly you shouldn't be trying to put it down. From an outsider looking in melee probably looks even more ridiculous. Just run in with fox do an attack shine look rinse and repeat.

 

[BIG C]

rofl i wasn't trying to put it down at all i was just comparing it saying it definitely looks campy too and I said that it was in out sweep kick i didn't reference DDing but I saw it and noted it in my mind. I wasn't trying to say it wasn't deep I know it's a very fast paced technical game it's just it seems that the best strat is to wait around for your opponent to attack in the vid. but when they do get an attack they go on the offensive which is like melee and cool.

 

[Overswarm]

Of course it looks simple from an outsider looking in but if you were to better understand 3S in general you would see a much deeper game as we do in melee. You fail to see the amazing spacing/pressure game that both players use. The constant footsies to weave in and out of range to bait attacks is nearly identical to melee's DD'ing if you want to compare them. I can go into more detail but you should get the point. It's just a lack of understanding.

If you don't know much about 3S honestly you shouldn't be trying to put it down. From an outsider looking in melee probably looks even more ridiculous. Just run in with fox do an attack shine look rinse and repeat.

I played 3S.

It really isn't that difficult of a game to pick up, and Big C isn't far off the mark. Find your best spammable move, use it as an approach and a feint, and then combo. When opponent hits the ground, do a rock/paper/scissors approach, generally an overhead or a sweep. If you can, parry and counter.

3S in a paragraph.

 

[Big_R]

overswarm are you high? you camped in melee like hell and sucked in it. now you have brawl where all offensive abilities yield little to no reward and defense and camping are the way to play. you have the game YOU wanted. the game you tried to make melee, when it clearly wasn't. now most everyone that was good at melee sees brawl for what it is and they don't like it.

I don't play brawl because it's campier than melee throughout the entire match. It's so slow and dumb downed I just find it boring.

 

[PopeOfChiliTown]

that first paragraph sounds like a john

gg

of course nothing is bad. no characters are bad. theyre all well balanced and fun to play... jus as sakurai intended

LOL please, this entire topic is a huge vat of bubbling john and you single out my argument as one?

By the way, you need to work on being condescending; I didn't get the feeling at all that there was any reason I should respect you or what you say. Partly because that last sentence was a misguided attempt at being condescending to me about something I didn't even come close to saying, but mostly because I don't even care enough about this to finish this sentence like I intended.

 

[Brightside6382]

I played 3S.

It really isn't that difficult of a game to pick up, and Big C isn't far off the mark. Find your best spammable move, use it as an approach and a feint, and then combo. When opponent hits the ground, do a rock/paper/scissors approach, generally an overhead or a sweep. If you can, parry and counter.

3S in a paragraph.

Oh man and the SWF community says that SRK is filled with a bunch of elitist pricks. Irony is to sweet.

 

[FluxWolf]

Oh man and the SWF community says that SRK is filled with a bunch of elitist pricks. Irony is to sweet.

Aren't you part of the SWF community? Irony is too sweet.