Whats with the camping?

[AlphaZealot]

**** I knew I should have put a M2K clause in my last post.

 

[supermario27mx]

the thing w/ camping is that camping is one of those things that turns off casuals from competitive play and competitive players from matches with casuals (i did not know how to phase that)
i know it sound like i talk out of my rear end but think about how camping differs according to skill level

 

[Emblem Lord]

Let's get one thing straight people.

There are different types of camping.

Camping in general is just being defensive and forcing your opponent to come to you while wating for them to do something stupid so you can capitalize on it.

In Brawl stupid camping is just constantly running away even when it would be beneficial to attack you for a kill.

Unlike other fighters, camping alone won't win the match, so you have to know when it's a good chance to stage a close-range offense to get a KO.

Smart camping isn't just projectile spam. It's controlling your opponents options throguh the use of your projectiles, while trying to limit thier actions and at the same time control the stage.

Smart camping is fun, but playing against a smart camper is also fun too.

Seems like md/va people have been playing against spammers and just bad people in general that don't know how to play.

Also yes Azen camps. He is a smart camper. That's all.

Camping doesn't mean you never go for kills. It means you are defensive. Let's just abolish the word camping from our vocab.

It should be defensive play from now on. And if someone uses projectiles to do it then it should be called keep away.

 

[hova]

your an idiot. this is exactly what we've been saying the whole time while you've been going off on your annoying rants

there is nothing wrong with defensive play; smart defensive play is probably the best option in brawl.

camping is a form of defensive play where you pretty much spam projectiles and never put yourself in danger of getting hit even if it would result greatly in your favor

campers run away when they have the clear advantage; those playing defensively wait for the advantage and then punish their opponents


running away constantly and trying to build up damage with the safest moves possible is what i see as camping

forcing your opponent into a position where you have the advantage and then punishing mistakes while avoiding their attacks is just being defensive

bad players can't play defensive, but they sure as hell can camp their ***** off

 

[Overswarm]

Let's get one thing straight people.

There are different types of camping.

Camping in general is just being defensive and forcing your opponent to come to you while wating for them to do something stupid so you can capitalize on it.

In Brawl stupid camping is just constantly running away even when it would be beneficial to attack you for a kill.

Unlike other fighters, camping alone won't win the match, so you have to know when it's a good chance to stage a close-range offense to get a KO.

Smart camping isn't just projectile spam. It's controlling your opponents options throguh the use of your projectiles, while trying to limit thier actions and at the same time control the stage.

Smart camping is fun, but playing against a smart camper is also fun too.

Seems like md/va people have been playing against spammers and just bad people in general that don't know how to play.

Also yes Azen camps. He is a smart camper. That's all.

Camping doesn't mean you never go for kills. It means you are defensive. Let's just abolish the word camping from our vocab.

It should be defensive play from now on. And if someone uses projectiles to do it then it should be called keep away.

Camping, in essence, is simply sticking to one spot.

The term has evolved from the FPS version (where it originated) and has become a big theme in smash.

I agree with your definitions. I camp and I spam a lot. I'm particularly dangerous to play against in tournament because I enjoy irritating my opponent. This doesn't mean I always am on a ledge or always running away (though I often do); I often will sit just outside of range and then walk slowly out of their range as they approach until there is an opening. Camping is not defined by the distance; it is merely defensive play whilst looking for an opening.

I played against Jiano in tournament and by the last game he just got so sick of it he stopped timing his grenades. That is exactly what I want.

The reason camping is so effective right now is because it is a low risk / low reward strategy, while being offensive and aggressive is a high risk / high reward strategy. Since we don't know enough yet, that risk often turns out poorly; once people catch on it will be different.

But for now? Suck it up and get ready for some 8 minute matches

 

[Emblem Lord]

hova: Why are you insulting me?

I'm trying to have intelligent conversation/debate and you are calling me an idiot.

This is uncalled for.

I never attacked anyone in this thread so what is your problem?

I have no beef with anyone in md/va.

Fine you're irritated about being camped or w/e, but don't insult me. I didn't do **** to you.

 

[Scar]

camping is setting up shop across the stage and trying to KO your opponent with projectiles.

lol. False. I play CF and back when I was a scrub I sat in one place and shffl'd nair over and over and over, right in front of people, running towards people, retreating, whatever. That is nair camping.

Likewise, DDing in Melee right in front of someone back and forth and back and forth regardless of what the other person is doing is called dash dance camping.

Furthermore, not attacking and spacing yourself just out of reach of the opponent, sitting there in shield, or sitting there waiting for an attack and planning to shield is also camping.

Either way, not approaching is the best strategy in Brawl. If you're going to limit camping to sitting on the other side of the stage and spamming projectiles then that's your business, but there are some players who have become ridiculously good at camping right in front of a person and ****** as soon as they make a mistake. It's all camping.

 

[Overswarm]

I personally like how Hova started off his post with "your an idiot".

GG sir. That didn't reflect poorly on you at all

 

[MASAHIROx]

i wouldn't **** with hova

only an idiot would

he could like bench press your entire family

 

[Overswarm]

i wouldn't **** with hova

only an idiot would

he could like bench press your entire family

I weigh somewhere between 120-130 pounds at all times. Bench pressing me is not a feat

 

[Ch0zen0ne]

Hova is a beast.. You are an idiot.

 

[Pink Reaper]

My entire strategy in Melee with Kirby is to simply wait near the edge crouching as there are almost no projectiles that can hit me and from there I wait until my opponent approaches, do my best to dodge/punish mistakes, then run away and do it again. Does this count as camping?

 

[blues]

Hova is the man

 

[Emblem Lord]

I like Scar and his post.

 

[elhinnaw]

Hova left this page open on my wii, so I'm taking the liberty of addressing a few comments that a few buttplugs made:

Emblem Lord: What are you? Gay? Unless this place somehow got gayer since I stopped coming here, then intelligent discussion should be saved for someplace OTHER than smashboards, with people that are intelligent. You won't be invited.

Either way, not approaching is the best strategy in Brawl.

Really? Then why don't you start the match, put your control down, and just watch the scenery?

I personally like how Hova started off his post with "your an idiot".

GG sir. That didn't reflect poorly on you at all

I'll just go ahead and do everyone a favor and call you an idiot. You're an idiot.

The reason camping is so effective right now is because it is a low risk / low reward strategy, while being offensive and aggressive is a high risk / high reward strategy. Since we don't know enough yet, that risk often turns out poorly; once people catch on it will be different.

But for now? Suck it up and get ready for some 8 minute matches

So you just basically admitting you are a little girl unable to develop your own strategies, so you'll just fight like a homo until other people show you how to fight the game effectively? Grow an onion bag or go buy a Barbie doll set. Unless you actually are a girl, in which case I apologize for being slightly sexist.

I probably won't be reading this page again, so if any ******* got offended by what I said please direct your complaints to Hova, who I assume will be more than happy to work things out with you.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Idiocy at it's finest.

 

[Skler]

I'm going to camp in brawl, and laugh when people complain. Until you can prove it to be a tactic that isn't effective, i'll advance, right now smart camping DOMINATES brawl, and if running away and spamming projectiles beats people, then it's what people will do to win.

KevinM lays down the truth.

 

[Overswarm]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kxgOkRyG3ho&feature=user

My favorite match ever.



Also:

lol at previous posters ^_^

 

[Fonz]

Frankly I think more people at Evo will take Brawl more seriously if it can be shown to have a real spacing and keepaway game. We like that kind of strategy.

Are you implying that Melee didn't have a real spacing and keep away game? If so, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Spacing was absolutely essential, and keep away existed but wasn't quite as popular as it seems to be in Brawl. If these aspects of Melee aren't clear to you after watching us play, you just don't know what to look for or what you are looking at.

What I don't think you understand is that the majority of the community here couldn't give two ****s about Evo. We understand Evo is the authority when it comes to your brand of fighting games and that's good and fine, but you're not the authority when it comes to smash. There is a reason many of us play smash and never even touch other fighting games, we don't enjoy them. Our game of smash sharing more aspects with yours might not be such a good thing for us, even though it makes your outside community feel like it can now legitimize us. Guess what, smash doesn't need Evo's approval to succeed and it never has. If you want to host brawl tourneys, great I'm all for it, but the games aren't the same and shouldn't be treated as such.

On a side note your communities general theory of "if it isn't completely broken, it should be allowed" doesn't apply to us either. When you you try to fit us in your same mold it just doesn't work.

I will not rest until both the East and West coast use my name to describe camping rather than Iggy, Vidjo, Camper Bob, or Mathos.

No rest.

I know that you think you're terribly clever, but it's just old and tired. Nobody cares about your quest to be the most hated smasher in history. You'll have to do a lot more than make annoying posts and run away spamming projectiles to beat Manacloud, so you might as well not even bother.

People are just sore they can't beat campers in the early stage that brawl is in. You should learn that camping is a viable strategy and it's part of all competitive games.

People aren't complaining that they lost to campers, most of the people didn't even lose to campers anyways. It's just that many of their matches were nothing but chores. Yes, the goal is to win, but if you're not having fun at the same time wtf are you doing? The money? There are much easier ways to make a few hundred dollars that require far less practice. Is it the glory? Nobody will remember you excessively camped a few decent players for 3rd place in dinky tournament 1 month from now.

Yeah, camping is a viable strategy. That's all good and fine, but I don't want to play a game where camping is so prevalent. It's not that I don't care about winning, or that I'm a scrub. I just don't enjoy it, and ultimately that's why we play these games. Brawl is a different game, and it may have taken a new direction, but I and many others simply don't care for it.

Teams in Brawl is just as fun as teams in Melee so far. It's not that I'm any better at teams than melee, I finished just about the same in both at C3 (multiply teams spot by 2 cause there were half the entrants obviously). So far teams seems to allow many more options for defeating strategies that others find fun and I find tedious. Teams is great because you can always 2v1 someone when their partner doesn't want to fight. I'm sure people will always want to play their beloved singles, even in Brawl, but I wouldn't mind seeing teams only tourneys if things keep going the way that they appear to be going.

 

[Overswarm]

I know that you think you're terribly clever, but it's just old and tired. Nobody cares about your quest to be the most hated smasher in history. You'll have to do a lot more than make annoying posts and run away spamming projectiles to beat Manacloud, so you might as well not even bother.

I care!

Plus, I don't have to camp. I'm pretty good without it; I just enjoy it more.

People aren't complaining that they lost to campers, most of the people didn't even lose to campers anyways. It's just that many of their matches were nothing but chores. Yes, the goal is to win, but if you're not having fun at the same time wtf are you doing? The money? There are much easier ways to make a few hundred dollars that require far less practice. Is it the glory? Nobody will remember you excessively camped a few decent players for 3rd place in dinky tournament 1 month from now.

I'll remember ^_^

See, the reason this is so funny to me is because the situation is the camper having fun while playing someone who isn't having fun because their opponent won't play the way they want them to. Whose problem is that? The campers?

People complained about Mew2King for the longest time. "All he does is chain throw". "M2K just camps the edge". "All he does is run away and laser".

Then, after all the scrubs that complained quit, faded into obscurity, or finally manned up, people realized "hey, let's copy this stuff if it is so good". Then it didn't work anymore because people just said "oh, this isn't as good as I thought; this takes a lot of skill and I can't really emulate it. This takes practice!" and learned was to fight it. Some people still played like M2K, others changed styles, so on and so on.

Point is, it isn't the campers job to apologize or change how he plays because YOU find it boring. I have the time of my life camping all day and have no problem extending a tournament by two hours all by myself; I take great joy in watching others hate my style, because that merely means it is effective. No one would care if I did nothing but falcon punch, because they'd just kill me and say "lol". They care when I camp because they have to work for it.

Besides, why WOULDN'T I want my opponent to feel like it is a chore? That seems like a good thing to me. I have more stamina and patience than any other smasher I've met, so if I can wear my opponent out by the third match that's great. If I can wear him out so much he quits the game or only enters doubles, even better.

Yeah, camping is a viable strategy. That's all good and fine, but I don't want to play a game where camping is so prevalent. It's not that I don't care about winning, or that I'm a scrub. I just don't enjoy it, and ultimately that's why we play these games. Brawl is a different game, and it may have taken a new direction, but I and many others simply don't care for it.

Then find a way around it? It isn't hard

Go to a tournament and camp like I do. I'll even give you pointers if you want on what stages to use, when to use them, how to use different characters, etc., etc., and tell me how far you get and how easy it is. You learn really fast that your opponents are trying their best to mess you up and it takes a lot of effort to win in this fashion. Once you realize what makes it take so much effort, you can emulate that against campers and then no longer have such a hard time. Problem solved.

 

[pockyD]

If I can wear him out so much he quits the game or only enters doubles, even better.

nope, making people quit is not a good thing

it's not like the campers should stop camping just to please others, but the fact that you actually think making someone quit the game is a good thing and enjoy thinking that you have that big of an impact suggests you are a selfish idiot

 

[Fonz]

Then find a way around it? It isn't hard

Go to a tournament and camp like I do. I'll even give you pointers if you want on what stages to use, when to use them, how to use different characters, etc., etc., and tell me how far you get and how easy it is. You learn really fast that your opponents are trying their best to mess you up and it takes a lot of effort to win in this fashion. Once you realize what makes it take so much effort, you can emulate that against campers and then no longer have such a hard time. Problem solved.

You don't seem to understand at all, it's not that I can't beat it or find a way around it. Did you read a word I said? It is just not fun to deal with it. It's much more prevalent than it was in melee. In melee if someone camps I play falco (I switched to falco as a main to deal with camping in the first place), laser approach, and do as I please. Not that having an easy solution made it all the sudden terribly fun (it wasn't), but at least those kinds of players were the minority. I can deal with 1 truly tedious match every few tournaments. When it is close to 50% of my matches it isn't worth attending.

it's not like the campers should stop camping just to please others, but the fact that you actually think making someone quit the game is a good thing and enjoy thinking that you have that big of an impact suggests you are a selfish idiot

This.

By the way Pocky, I hope you've been watching the tourney this march. My team isn't even in it and I enjoyed so many great games this weekend. **** a Duke!

 

[eighteenspikes]

hahaha keep it up overswarm, and hopefully more will follow suit. the more people that give up brawl because of 20 minute sets, the faster we can all go back to melee

 

[pockyD]

By the way Pocky, I hope you've been watching the tourney this march. My team isn't even in it and I enjoyed so many great games this weekend. **** a Duke!

not unlike the brawl vs melee debate, close games are not necessarily good games

now's about the time i usually start watching though (16 or so) goooo texas

 

[Overswarm]

hahaha keep it up overswarm, and hopefully more will follow suit. the more people that give up brawl because of 20 minute sets, the faster we can all go back to melee

Yeah!

If I can break the game to a point where no one around me will play in a tournament merely because myself and players like me are attending, then I have succeeded. Not only will I be winning money, but I'll also be doing a public service.

If the game is broken or not fun, it will degenerate and die. We can all play Melee again or go to Street Fighter 4.

You don't seem to understand at all, it's not that I can't beat it or find a way around it. Did you read a word I said? It is just not fun to deal with it. It's much more prevalent than it was in melee. In melee if someone camps I play falco (I switched to falco as a main to deal with camping in the first place), laser approach, and do as I please. Not that having an easy solution made it all the sudden terribly fun (it wasn't), but at least those kinds of players were the minority. I can deal with 1 truly tedious match every few tournaments. When it is close to 50% of my matches it isn't worth attending.

I think I do understand. I don't think you can beat it, and I don't think you can find a way around it. If you could, it wouldn't even be an issue. It'd just be a "oh, another camper", and then you'd stomp him and the game would be that. The reason camping is so prevalent now is because it works.

People don't like to lose. They never will do something they know will make them lose, at least not consistently. If I didn't win matches with camping, I'd have to stop and find a new way to play. Unfortunately for you guys, no one has taken the time to figure out how to stop it yet. They just say "oh, I beat campers" because they beat some random at their tournament that would run away and shoot projectiles until you came close.

Go watch some of my videos, you can find a lot of recent ones here:
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=157911

Realize that I camp against some players, but not against others.

Why not camp against them all? You all know I enjoy it.

The answer is that it isn't always the best strategy. It's up to you guys to figure out when it isn't, and make that time all the time.

Good luck. If you can dedicate yourself to learning all the different techniques for Melee, you can take the ten minutes of thought it takes to figure out what it takes to beat camping. Once you beat it, it disappears. One tournament, two, maybe even three will have a lot of campers, but if you spread that knowledge around? They'll disappear in an instant.

 

[aho43]

if a match ever goes to timer the offending party should be ashamed. overswarm you are dumb if you think playing so lame that people want to quit is a good thing. the kind of camping i was referring to was super defensive shield/roll camping with heavy doses of run away and throw **** anytime i get close to you. nobody is saying its not beatable, its just not fun and makes me want to break your controller when i'm done for wasting my time.

dash dance camping - can't really do it anymore
aerial camping - also lame, you should be using your aerials to gain an advantage in spacing and do damage if possible

the reason i made this thread was because it seems as if the community, as hova said, just decided to get together and play campy characters.

Replying to EL in regards to saying there is no reward for offense. When you put someone into a position where they have to:

1) attack
2) airdodge
3) double jump
4) eat a hit

That is your reward. Basically its the same thing you get from camping and throwing **** at people. But its less lame. People should play with some sort of combination of both offense and defense and mix up their styles. Combos can't be done in the conventional sense in Brawl, but if you remove someone's double jump due to everyone's floatiness you can juggle very easily. Also if someone has to airdodge to avoid the next hit you can easily just wait for an airdodge and punish this instead. They on the other hand can anticipate your wait and attack you instead. These are the kind of showdowns I'd rather see than: me hold reflector watch someone shoot 4 arrows at me and eat every one before deciding its time to do something else.

The only character I can think of that I wouldn't want to edgeguard aggressively is metaknight. all the rest i'll be happy to keep hitting you on the edge as you try to come back. if you manage to turn it around on me, good job.

camping at times is alright, but if that is your entire gameplan, its lame. i play this game, and melee, to do cool **** while i beat you down. true story. i recommened you also play this way.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Now I do NOT condone the way Overswarm is posting or what he is talking.

That isn't ok in my eyes. Saying you want to play to in order to get people to quit the game isn't right and not what I'm about at all.

I agree with aho and what he says about aggro. It's all about positioning advantage and making it count once you get that advantage and trying to cover the options your opponent is most likely to take.

 

[Overswarm]

Anyone that quits because they play a good camper isn't someone that was any good anyway. It brings me great pleasure to force people out of their comfort zone; it isn't nice, but it is fun as hell. Especially when they know it ^_^

 

[shadydentist]

Personally, I don't camp. I have no problem with people who do, I just happen to enjoy characters who can pressure fairly well. If camping turns out to be a dominant strategy in Brawl, thats fine with me.

 

[Omni]

Overswarm makes valid points. People with his mentality play the game not to have fun, but to win. Because camping at any extreme will always be allowed, the only way to eradicate it is to find a way around it. Of course, Overswarm doesn't care if he's hated by the majority of the Smash Community, or if he isn't invited to hang out at and play friendlies. He doesn't care about merits or stylish points. He doesn't care about how he will be viewed. All he is focused on is winning, and because his style of camping gives him a high rate of success at doing so, he won't change unless that success rate lowers.

You can't really argue with this guy. He plays to win at any cost.

It also won't help trying to persuade campers to stop camping. The most effective thing to do is to find a way around it. The only thing I can think of that can beat campers are:

1.) An aggressive style that doesn't permit or allow time to setup camp.
2.) Counter-gaying. Fight gay with more gay. i.e. Shining forever with Fox against Falco's in melee.

Non-campers couldn't begin to debate or persuade campers. The same applies vice versa. Aho will never be persuaded to become like Overswarm.

 

[Phyvo]

Overswarm makes valid points. People with his mentality play the game not to have fun, but to win. Because camping at any extreme will always be allowed, the only way to eradicate it is to find a way around it. Of course, Overswarm doesn't care if he's hated by the majority of the Smash Community, or if he isn't invited to hang out at and play friendlies. He doesn't care about merits or stylish points. He doesn't care about how he will be viewed. All he is focused on is winning, and because his style of camping gives him a high rate of success at doing so, he won't change unless that success rate lowers.

You can't really argue with this guy. He plays to win at any cost.

I disagree. You can't argue with him because whatever you say or do will only inflate his ego and make him believe that he is even more right than he already thinks he is.

It also won't help trying to persuade campers to stop camping. The most effective thing to do is to find a way around it. The only thing I can think of that can beat campers are:

1.) An aggressive style that doesn't permit or allow time to setup camp.
2.) Counter-gaying. Fight gay with more gay. i.e. Shining forever with Fox against Falco's in melee.

Non-campers couldn't begin to debate or persuade campers. The same applies vice versa. Aho will never be persuaded to become like Overswarm.

Spot on. Until a strategy is found that changes the way the game is being played this whole discussion is just a load of hot air.

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

Overswarm makes valid points. People with his mentality play the game not to have fun, but to win. Because camping at any extreme will always be allowed, the only way to eradicate it is to find a way around it. Of course, Overswarm doesn't care if he's hated by the majority of the Smash Community, or if he isn't invited to hang out at and play friendlies. He doesn't care about merits or stylish points. He doesn't care about how he will be viewed. All he is focused on is winning, and because his style of camping gives him a high rate of success at doing so, he won't change unless that success rate lowers.

You can't really argue with this guy. He plays to win at any cost.

It also won't help trying to persuade campers to stop camping. The most effective thing to do is to find a way around it. The only thing I can think of that can beat campers are:

1.) An aggressive style that doesn't permit or allow time to setup camp.
2.) Counter-gaying. Fight gay with more gay. i.e. Shining forever with Fox against Falco's in melee.

Non-campers couldn't begin to debate or persuade campers. The same applies vice versa. Aho will never be persuaded to become like Overswarm.

it's crystal clear why we play so much alike


i made this post in my head i just didn't post it






















and you still bit my sheik, b itch a$$ n igga





n iggas always biting my s h i t WTF

 

[7ak]

Finally some semi-intelligent posts by actual good Melee players instead of the ****ing uber nubs who joined 2 months ago and think Brawl is the best game ever because of the ****ing Subspace Emissary.

Heres my opinion:

I tried to like this piece of **** game..........I really really did. The very first few hours I played it, it was so new and different that I actually liked it. Then I played a few matches online against uber nubs and got more familiar with the limitations of Brawl and I began to dislike the game.

Heres one example: I played some DeDeDe 1v1 on FD with Link..........he spams forward-B for literally 3-4 minutes straight..........I countered with boomerangs, bombs, b-airs, shield, spacing........meanwhile he threw **** at me all day long even getting those gay *** spiky projectiles which cause ridiculous damage. When I finally landed a hit, projectile or aerial, he would shieldgrab me and attempt to chaingrab or f-tilt...........when he failed I could combo him maybe 50% before he got away. He even threw in a ****ing swallowcide. At the end, I won with 1.5 stock left out of 4 but it took about 6-7 minutes of one of the most boring matches of my life.

This same strategy can be used by virtually any character with good projectiles, i.e. Pit, DDD, Lucas, and characters without projectiles like Metaknight have ridiculously low lag attacks (neutral-B anyone?) and good grabs.

I seriously cannot understand how any tournament level Melee player can like Brawl as it is now. Yes it takes some intelligence and prediction to play a good Metaknight or Ike but the skill involved is almost zero.

Who the **** wants to go to a tournament full of unskilled campers? Yes camping existed in Melee but it could be countered with good spacing and never lasted longer than a minute or two because of the speed of movement and variables for attack/defense. I haven't tried it yet because its so gay but whats to stop Pit from only shooting arrows and then camping the ledge for 6 minutes?

If Brawl becomes a viable tournament game and some magical tech. is discovered which makes it an exciting and skill based game I will play it. Otherwise, I'll just play it for laughs online or if I'm bored of Melee. I don't care about winning........of course I like to win and I don't like losing to a less-skilled player but when I lose I just shrug it off or actually try the next match. Or if I'm beaten by a better player, I try to learn from it and improve........to me that's as fun or more fun than winning.

The beauty of SSB and Melee was playing a match where you could truly test one another's skill, intelligence, and confidence and pulling off some cool improvised combo. SSB online is 100x more fun than any Brawl wifi match I've played and takes 20x more skill. SSB has unbelievably gay/broken combos but at least every character has them and at least the beautiful spacing/mindgames of smash are preserved. Melee also has devastating combos and is more "broken" than ever, but it's no less fun or skill based (except wobbling which is beyond gay).

Brawl tests which player is more willing to play their absolute gayest campfest so that their character does a little celebration at the result screen. If that screen is worth your dignity and wasted time testing camping ability, then have fun with Brawl.

I predict people will move back to Melee once they realize what a stifling straightjacket Brawl is. Glad to see Mew2King's opinion of Brawl as an inferior game........which it is. It's been said before but everything in Brawl is better than Melee except the actual gameplay mechanics and tournament viability.........which obviously matters much more to me. In a few years Melee might be online in emulator form as SSB is, or someone with actual brains can make a true successor to Melee which takes actual skill.

Anyway, those are my thoughts........

 

[aho43]

we should play with franklin badges on high.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

I actually find camping to be fun =|

rofl my friend kept beating my Wario (main) with Peach, so I picked Bowser and turtled (pun kinda intended.)

I just sat on one side of the stage and flamethrower/ftilt/dtilt/fortress out of shield'd everything. Then ran away and repeated. I won a few times then got ***** by his (non-camping) Toon Link. Can Bowser camp? lol

On a side note, one of my favorite video games is the Splinter Cell series. Pretty sure you camp in that game too lol. And any aggressive play gets you pwned. Moving quickly or attacking head on are usually discouraged. I enjoy this. Not sure what point I'm trying to make but it just depends on what people like, not everyone thinks camping is boring.

 

[Rebel581]

I've decided Overswarm is gay, and I wish to not be associated with his style of play. Playing to win is one thing. Being a douchebag is another.

And Splinter Cell is amazing. It's even more amazing when you don't bother with hiding and somehow still beat the stupid *** AI. The camping part of it is fun, but the AI to that game is so bad >_>

And aho, I want to play some friendlies with you next time I see you. I want to see if I got better from C3.

 

[Shai Hulud]

I'm really surprised at the number of good Smashers who have very scrubby attitudes.

If you're playing a competitive game in a tournament setting, you should try to win. "Gayness" has no validity as a criticism and is in fact fairly meaningless. If camping is the best strategy, then you can't fault people like Overswarm for abusing it. If camping is not the best strategy, you should have no problem beating the campers with superior strategies. In time fewer people will camp as others create more effective strategies. If this never happens and camping becomes the dominant strategy with no real counterstrategies, then it may be the case that Brawl is not a "fun" game. I don't think it's fun, primarily because of slowness and campiness, but I'm certainly not going to ***** about somebody outplaying me just because I feel morally superior because I play more aggressively. That's nonsense.

This thread reminds me of the way people reacted to wobbling, saying it made the game no fun and that Wobbles was gay, no good, etc., when in fact he was very good regardless of character (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGlZe29-AVc), and wobbling did not end up breaking the game. The point is that people learned to deal with it to make it less effective. People are going to learn to deal with camping, or they won't. If they do, then it's not a problem. If they don't, then the game may not be fun, but unlike wobbling, you can't ban camping, so the community will just have to deal with it.

 

[soap]

^agreed, i just wont play

 

[BlackPanther]

I don't think it's fun, primarily because of slowness and campiness, but I'm certainly not going to ***** about somebody outplaying me just because I feel morally superior because I play more aggressively. That's nonsense.

Well that's cool that youre so positive about it. Me on the other hand will ***** about it because camping isn't skillful in my opinion. And if I know I can beat them head to head but they're using a strategy that can't be broken and I'm in a tourney match and this is happenin to me, I will be very upset. So far the only viable way to beat camping is to camp and that still has it's disadvantages as some characters for one can't camp effectively without a projectile in this game and the ones with projectiles can camp differently than other characters with projectiles so it's still lopsided.

 

[Shai Hulud]

Well that's cool that youre so positive about it. Me on the other hand will ***** about it because camping isn't skillful in my opinion. And if I know I can beat them head to head but they're using a strategy that can't be broken and I'm in a tourney match and this is happenin to me, I will be very upset. So far the only viable way to beat camping is to camp and that still has it's disadvantages as some characters for one can't camp effectively without a projectile in this game and the ones with projectiles can camp differently than other characters with projectiles so it's still lopsided.

It may not be skillful (I'm not saying it isn't), but if it's the best strategy then it's what people will end up using. If the Brawl metagame evolves into pure campfests, then the game will play very differently from its predecessors. At this point those *****ing will either adapt or conclude Brawl sucks and play Melee instead. I came to the Melee scene relatively late and still have plenty of room for improvement, so this would not disappoint me.