Ghostly
Smash Cadet
As said above, what is it about him that makes him top teir? Even though my username is Jigglypuffff, I main Falco and I think his recovery sucks so I want to main fox.
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disagree strongly. Fox might be played faster then Falco, but I think Fox has it A LOT easier then Falco's do.fox is a lot harder to play than falco.
i'm not siding or anything, i even main falco, but im curious why do you think falco is easier? i guess i personally would think the fox curve is alot harder than falco, especially when it comes to combos..pillaring in general isn't too complicated i would say.disagree strongly. Fox might be played faster then Falco, but I think Fox has it A LOT easier then Falco's do.
Yea; as Falco, it doesn't require as much effort to control the tempo of the match and contain your opponent's movements. Sometimes when I'm getting ***** as Fox, I'll switch to Falco and just laser and shield pressure mindlessly, and somehow I'll still do better.i'm not siding or anything, i even main falco, but im curious why do you think falco is easier? i guess i personally would think the fox curve is alot harder than falco, especially when it comes to combos..pillaring in general isn't too complicated i would say.
Have you ever seen DK's taunt?Oh and Fox's taunt is clearly the best in the game. ^^
obviously not. orrrr puff's paused twitch eye taunt, definitely a fav ;DHave you ever seen DK's taunt?
i said fox IS easier.i'm not siding or anything, i even main falco, but im curious why do you think falco is easier? i guess i personally would think the fox curve is alot harder than falco, especially when it comes to combos..pillaring in general isn't too complicated i would say.
Well, dat's situational.i said fox IS easier.
he has more options etc etc. also i find him easier to play but thats probably because i picked him up before falco.
My only down sides to falco are his recovery and I am more on the deffensive and not offensive.. He is definitely is one of my secondaries though.fox is automatic and falco is manual
fox can kill the quickest in the game
but falco has the best offense
falco is much harder to use than fox because..u have to tech chase more...read people's di more and be really good at recovery
fox can play the same way against every character were falco has to switch it up against icy's,puff,ganon,samus, and zelda
i say dont give up on falco because most people who play this game suk vs falco and u should just work on ur laser game and learn combo's
but besides that
fox ***** the whole cast and doesnt have one bad match ups in this game..he has 5 even ones,, but still can **** the when he has the momentum..just play both son..trust me ..people are use to fox more than falco
First of all:fox is automatic and falco is manual
falco is much harder to use than fox because..u have to tech chase more...read people's di more and be really good at recovery
fox can play the same way against every character were falco has to switch it up against icy's,puff,ganon,samus, and zelda
fox ***** the whole cast and doesnt have one bad match ups in this game..he has 5 even ones,, but still can **** the when he has the momentum..just play both son..trust me ..people are use to fox more than falco
Agreed.Unfortunately theres probly no other character that people overall know how to play against more.
you better be unique or extremely solid fundamentally or your fox will get ***** by average level players(perhaps ones you feel like you should beat).
low tiers LOVE fox players.
I'd like to also point out that falco at the last big major did considerably better than fox. I'm not saying that it has THE most significance but to say that it has none would be silly.
In short: coming up as a fox player is very difficult now I suggests playing both. Falco will def be able to handle some jank matchups(uncommon characters) better than ur fox will in some cases. switching it up seems to be the way to go
-Falco's edge-guarding is anything but soso. Dair? Partially invincible dsmash?fox's upkills are ridiculous. so are his grabs. and edgeguarding. and his recovery is great
falco can barely upkill. limited grab combos. edguarding is soso. and has weak recovery.
fox seems to abuse the weaknesses of a lot of chars, floaty weights and slow speeds. that said, fox is so easy to bust up. falco just pushes everyone around. it's up to you to push back.
I agree almost everything you said. Marth does have the advantage vs. Falco though. Yes, he does the exact same thing to both of them. Its just alot easier to do vs. Falco. He's not as fast and is easy to corner. He has a terrible recovery, so literally one hit off stage and he dies. Fox isn't much better, but the distance he gets on his recoveries help alot. Beyond getting gimped extremely easily, the match-up is very, very similar.fox or falco vs marth could go either way. people think marth beats falco worse than he does fox but really, marth does the EXACT same thing to both of them. grabs are gay, and if he gets you off stage, you should be dead, even with fox's better recovery. the difference who be if you need to contain him with lasers and shield pressure to not get grabbed
yooo raynex. do you have aim? i wanted to ask you some fox stuff real quick :DI agree almost everything you said. Marth does have the advantage vs. Falco though. Yes, he does the exact same thing to both of them. Its just alot easier to do vs. Falco. He's not as fast and is easy to corner. He has a terrible recovery, so literally one hit off stage and he dies. Fox isn't much better, but the distance he gets on his recoveries help alot. Beyond getting gimped extremely easily, the match-up is very, very similar.
edit: I forgot to mention that Foxes can combo and kill Marth alot easier than Falco can. All Fox needs is a dair waveshine or grab to mess Marth up. Falco needs a...shine to custom combo? Grab to maybe follow-up? Dair to 3 hits? Fox gets like 50% free damage from shine or grab or usmash. Even if you miss with Fox, he's so fast you can just chase Marth and do more ****. lol
Yeah, that's why I think fox has a little better match up against marth than falco does. dair waveshine into nair > upsmash or grab > bair/uair is very easy to pull off and does decent damage, on the other hand falco has to work up a bit more with combos/grabs into tech chases to rack up dmage.I forgot to mention that Foxes can combo and kill Marth alot easier than Falco can. All Fox needs is a dair waveshine or grab to mess Marth up. .... he's so fast you can just chase Marth and do more ****. lol
falco and fox are even.First of all:
-If anything, FALCO is automatic and Fox is manual. With Falco you can run around and spam lasers and shield pressure mindlessly. Who is going to stop you? Who has enough priority to? Your lasers keep your opponent locked down and you just spam techskill. Almost all Falco players can attest to him being easy to spam with than Fox. Fox is fast, but his tech spam isn't nearly as stupid or effective as Falco's is.
-Falco would have to techchase LESS than Fox. Fox's shine knocks most of his opponents down. Hitting with nair or shine sets up tech chase options with more than half the cast. Falco on the other can is only using dair and shine, which combos on everyone. His throws also don't knock his opponents down (most of the time). Fox has to play a more grounded techchase game than Falco does. Besides, with Falco you don't even have to think. Just shoot a laser where you think they're going to go and you win. If by read more you mean spam more lasers then I agree.
-Fox can play the same against Fox/Falco/Falcon the same way he plays against Jiggs, Peach, Samus? lol don't even start. Again, its Falco who has it easier. His laser shuts down EVERY CHARACTER. Fox's uthrow uair and waveshine don't even work in some of his match-ups. Falco is mr. no think. Just shoot lasers at everything, and use the shine that works on all characters. Falco doesn't have to switch up anything, his camp game works on the whole cast.
-Saying Fox doesn't have a single bad match-up in the whole game is a monstrous fallacy. Sheik is the character with no bad match-ups. Fox doesn't get ***** per say, but he definitely has his share of unfavourable fights. Falco beats Fox, Marth beats Fox on FD, Peach beats Fox on FD. He doesn't have as many "bad" match-ups as Falco does, but he still has them.
Agreed.
.... i didn't find much of this accurate at all.the reason why people generally think falco is a soft counter to fox is because, on any stage except fd, theres nothing to REALLY be afraid of.
on every other stage, fox is going to have to link together about 2-4 successful combos, and a few reads. Thunders combo, maybe a techchase upsmash or something, but for the most part, falco can escape after taking like 20-30 damage and then reset the situation. any falco is happy with taking his chances with you missing a tech read. whereas with falco, it doesnt matter what stage your on, if falco hits you with a dair, shine, or nair that you didnt cc, you are gonna get a garunteed 60% and maybe even death.
on FD though, fox is deadly to falco, his one time combos turn into extended chaingrabs and upsmash and junk. every other stage though, a falco doesnt have to be nearly as afraid of fox.
and waveshielding isnt the be all end all of beating falco, he can grab you, or just shield pressure you. but i agree it is a underused strategy.
cool beans..... i didn't find much of this accurate at all.
Chopz: Not EVERY Ganon lives in Florida, the home of technical space animals, and has some of the best Falcos in the world to play with on a regular basis. Notice how there aren't any other Ganons who do the spacy match-ups better than Linguini. Ganon isn't good vs. spacies, LINGUINI is good vs. spacies.falco and fox are even.
look how easily this huge ganon gets around lasers lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLOTLHvRMc&feature=related