What Character does Samus fear the most?

[Cookiez]

I'd say Shiek and Marth would be the top contenders for this position. Marths sword and Shieks needles are scary >.>.

 

[AIDS]

I'd say Shiek and Marth would be the top contenders for this position. Marths sword and Shieks needles are scary >.>.

CONGRADULATIONS, you discovered the hardest answer ever, you win....A NEW CAR! *price is right music*

 

[Cookiez]

*dances*

*hides in shame* sorry

 

[AIDS]

lol it is ok, im not making fun of you, im making fun of these people who are like...."ness is pretty scary guys, i think he counters samus"

 

[Cookiez]

Indeed, though I still apoligize for the semi/useless post. I shalst go into details next time :D. (Tbh, I was planning on leaving quite a few short comments so I would get permission to use that ****ed <img> tag for a sig :D.)

Anyhoo, I find my Marths SHFFLED Dairs pretty much hit Samus's CC game hard, and whenever my friend uses his Samus his recovery seems to get thwarded by ledgedropped Bairs with alarming frequency O.o But for higher levels of play I have no idea.

 

[True Ice]

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I would say marth because he can make all of the projectiles a samus uses and destroy them or counter them making range a problem, shiek has those darn throwing needles causing the same problem. A good samus player however, does not just sit back and range so it becomes a close combat thing in which both of these characters have speed on samus. As AIDS said, it is not really to much to overcome it is just problemmatic..

 

[AIDS]

I would say marth because he can make all of the projectiles a samus uses and destroy them or counter them making range a problem, shiek has those darn throwing needles causing the same problem. A good samus player however, does not just sit back and range so it becomes a close combat thing in which both of these characters have speed on samus. As AIDS said, it is not really to much to overcome it is just problemmatic..

yes, but it is CLEARLY more then projectiles that make samus good, and sheik owns samus in regular combat too, sheik is HARD when you are samus, marth how ever you can work around.

 

[Dynomite]

i dont know why most people are saying marth.. marth tries to play catch with the missiles.. he just catches them thinkin its the game =p

as a samus player i somewhat fear link cuz samus mainly uses misiles and links hyrule shield blocks them =/

was warming up agenst bots and made a random bot lvl 9 (happoned to be link) he actually got a life off me!! :-o

as for for and falco.. well havnt really play many fox or falco players using samus. so in my oppinion marth is prob 1 of the rather easy ones for samus but it mostly depends on the player using samus and marth

 

[AIDS]

i dont know why most people are saying marth.. marth tries to play catch with the missiles.. he just catches them thinkin its the game =p

as a samus player i somewhat fear link cuz samus mainly uses misiles and links hyrule shield blocks them =/

was warming up agenst bots and made a random bot lvl 9 (happoned to be link) he actually got a life off me!! :-o

as for for and falco.. well havnt really play many fox or falco players using samus. so in my oppinion marth is prob 1 of the rather easy ones for samus but it mostly depends on the player using samus and marth

ok you say no to the reason they complaine about marth, and you complaine basicly about link doing the same thing.......

 

[KIngGerudo]

DK, sheik, marth, and falco. everyone else can atleast be close to you winning. DK and marth seem to be the hardest though. priority and range just cant be met in those matchs by samus. DK in particular, swatting missles like flies and being able to get a free charge from you recovering, not to mention the relentless uair onslaught.

 

[NOVA1106]

just cause ur samus doesnt mean u have to use missles the way i see it missles are mindgames they open a whole new way to aproach ur opponent

 

[KIngGerudo]

just cause ur samus doesnt mean u have to use missles the way i see it missles are mindgames they open a whole new way to aproach ur opponent

but then DK just swatted your mindgame into oblivion and hes in your head. thats sets up for a banana slamma, which is all bad.

 

[NOVA1106]

with DK u need good spacing just like fighting against marth

 

[HugS]

I don't understand why you guys are downplaying Marth's ability to **** Samus.

Marth is easily... EASILY, samus's hardest match up. Sheik is 2nd.

 

[AIDS]

I don't understand why you guys are downplaying Marth's ability to **** Samus.

Marth is easily... EASILY, samus's hardest match up. Sheik is 2nd.

why is that hugs? marth is ok, but a good sheik as like **** combo's and your recovery is limited, so why do you feel marth is a harder match up? as long at you can space, DI, and Tech marth can give you trouble, but wouldn't sheik be harder?

 

[SirNegroJuice]

Marth has a f-air. . . and knows how to space too.

 

[AIDS]

Marth has a f-air. . . and knows how to space too.

SAmus has missles, Ftilt, Mindgames, and much more that can beat Fair, i aslo stateded in my post "DI" learn to DI so marths Fair will not mean so much anymore.

 

[Pi]

The only weakspot on marth is from his underside while he's in the air.

All of samus' moves can be outspaced by marth and all her projectiles can be countered, or jabbed at.

Marth's edgeguard is amazing, so if you mis-position a grapple you're taking some damage.

Samus' grab is slow, and marths is fast and long.





As for shiek, I think it's really only her needles that are doing anything here, and if she's throwing straight you can position a missle good and it'll fly right over them. Her uair though is a pain no? Just bomb on down and you can avoid it though.




It's just his ****ing sword man, we're sitting here punching and he's slicing our fist in half ._. It's not even a fun match up, all your moves that should be hitting aren't, and all his moves that shouldn't be hitting are ;(

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Samus ftilt is her only hope vs Marth

 

[AIDS]

The only weakspot on marth is from his underside while he's in the air.

All of samus' moves can be outspaced by marth and all her projectiles can be countered, or jabbed at.

Marth's edgeguard is amazing, so if you mis-position a grapple you're taking some damage.

Samus' grab is slow, and marths is fast and long.





As for shiek, I think it's really only her needles that are doing anything here, and if she's throwing straight you can position a missle good and it'll fly right over them. Her uair though is a pain no? Just bomb on down and you can avoid it though.




It's just his ****ing sword man, we're sitting here punching and he's slicing our fist in half ._. It's not even a fun match up, all your moves that should be hitting aren't, and all his moves that shouldn't be hitting are ;(

i dunno, i tech like a **** so maybe i just got a better game at recovering then most people, marths edge guarding is not that amazing, samus's recovery i think is on a higher rate of godlyness then marths Dtilt, or Fsmash edge guarding.

Shiek can do way worse, she combo's in many ways, it is not like all shiek players do is needle, but her style over all, ***** samus's style, Dthrough to anything, sheik will always have somthing for samus, no matter what percent you are at.

noobs do the sword johns, at low level game play, samus will get ***** by marth, at higher level, it is close, i would say marth has an advantage yes, but it is slight, not even worthy of being callled a counter, i would say falco is more of a threat then marth.

Samus ftilt is her only hope vs Marth

i would not say that, i would say it is an excelent move to help your spacing. i do not find marths that difficult though. it is mainly working it out so your spacing agravates the other player, it is like laser spaming, they get mad and there spacing, or there whole game is thrown off cause they get frusterated.

 

[IShotLazer]

marios in general are pretty annoying but not a disaster, marth does a good job at samus, on paper and in battle.
fox get pretty murked by samus and falcon gets abused due to uptilt edgeguard. falco i'd say is pretty even and so is gannondorf.

 

[AIDS]

marios in general are pretty annoying but not a disaster, marth does a good job at samus, on paper and in battle.
fox get pretty murked by samus and falcon gets abused due to uptilt edgeguard. falco i'd say is pretty even and so is gannondorf.

falcon does not get very abused, falcon can **** samus somtimes with da combo's.

 

[SirNegroJuice]

SAmus has missles, Ftilt, Mindgames, and much more that can beat Fair, i aslo stateded in my post "DI" learn to DI so marths Fair will not mean so much anymore.

Marth can swat the missiles without suffering any lag, he out-ranges and out-prioritizes her f-tilt, and he too is a mindgame heavy character. And Marth's f-air is not just for comboing. It's also one of the best ways to approach her.

 

[AIDS]

Marth can swat the missiles without suffering any lag, he out-ranges and out-prioritizes her f-tilt, and he too is a mindgame heavy character. And Marth's f-air is not just for comboing. It's also one of the best ways to approach her.

yes but priortity is little in that say, i doubt you will have an Ftilt and a Fair at the same time, as well marth is a decent mind game charecter, but his range is not huge vs samus, they are roughly the same, samaus aswell has a long range Fsmash.

 

[SirNegroJuice]

Marth's range is larger than Samus'. You can't compare Samus' f-smash to Marth's f-smash.

 

[AIDS]

Marth's range is larger than Samus'. You can't compare Samus' f-smash to Marth's f-smash.

im pretty sure im almost as familour with that match up as i am with fox, and her Fsmash is close, plus it is not like omg mine is longer i win, Samus has advantages on marth aswell.

 

[SirNegroJuice]

Marth's air game owns Samus' air game. And Marth does fine on the ground too thanks to his awesome dashdance, grab, and short-hop f-air (if you consider that part of his ground game). And in a match between space-heavy characters, range really does matters.

 

[AIDS]

Marth's air game owns Samus' air game. And Marth does fine on the ground too thanks to his awesome dashdance, grab, and short-hop f-air (if you consider that part of his ground game). And in a match between space-heavy characters, range really does matters.

if marth messes up, he gets owned. BC PR (which im not even on) #5 is FirexEmblemxPride mains marth, and our matches are one stock apart, so if he is a better marth player then me, and he has TONS of samus practise from me and patooty(#4 on bc pr) then why is our matches so close if marth purly ***** samus? you just gotta abuse marth when he misses an Fsmash or an Nair, Fair etc. and Marth can do nothing about that.

sheik how ever has speed and priority over samus in general, im good vs sheik, i usto main her and have lotsa practise, but I will still say Sheik is the biggest counter.

 

[Pi]

With marth once you're off the stage you're lucky to get back on. If you do manage to grab the edge there aint a whole lot of stuff you can get away with unpunished to get back onto the stage.

With falco those lasers are a pain (for everyone). But aside from that I don't see alot of advantage over samus.

Shiek, when you're in the air you're in trouble. Her Uair > whatever you got, her neutral air I'd have to say is close to samus, and her fair is beast.


Of course I've been playing pretty much solely FD with my matches, other stages stack up differently.


I still have to say marth is samus toughest opponent, fsmashes can be punished, but the range of them is so huge that you'll have to have some distance to get off anything any way. Ftilts do do well against marth, though.

 

[Tha_Shogun_12]

if marth messes up, he gets owned. BC PR (which im not even on) #5 is FirexEmblemxPride mains marth, and our matches are one stock apart, so if he is a better marth player then me, and he has TONS of samus practise from me and patooty(#4 on bc pr) then why is our matches so close if marth purly ***** samus? you just gotta abuse marth when he misses an Fsmash or an Nair, Fair etc. and Marth can do nothing about that.

sheik how ever has speed and priority over samus in general, im good vs sheik, i usto main her and have lotsa practise, but I will still say Sheik is the biggest counter.

Well about the you versus the Marth player, when yall play is it mainly friendlies? Cause you can't really base friendlies on overall victories. Also how many other Marth players ranked do you play against? Cause some people just have a certain gene to just read others and this may be the case with you and the Marth player. I know I have acouple of people like that i'm against and people against me that do that (spacing peoples O.o).

I do agree with you on the Sheik. She kills Samus in the the air and can kill her on the ground and the ftilt is just ****. The only thing you can really do to stop it is a timed NAir (which you still can get hit by) or maybe a dash attack or Ftilt. I know I haven't had the most Sheik pratice in the world but from what I've seen Samus can really get ***** by Sheik

 

[AIDS]

Well about the you versus the Marth player, when yall play is it mainly friendlies? Cause you can't really base friendlies on overall victories. Also how many other Marth players ranked do you play against? Cause some people just have a certain gene to just read others and this may be the case with you and the Marth player. I know I have acouple of people like that i'm against and people against me that do that (spacing peoples O.o).

I do agree with you on the Sheik. She kills Samus in the the air and can kill her on the ground and the ftilt is just ****. The only thing you can really do to stop it is a timed NAir (which you still can get hit by) or maybe a dash attack or Ftilt. I know I haven't had the most Sheik pratice in the world but from what I've seen Samus can really get ***** by Sheik

BC is mainly fox players, but i do play high level marths and sheik, but this is samus in general we are talking about, samus sucks VS sheik can do more then Dthrough and Ftilt, all tilts, Dthrough, anything to Fair pretty much, but marth is limited in that, marth can be punished, just a large chunk of samus players do not know the match up well, and i play lotsa tournament matches too with marths and sheiks, i placed 7th in SFU #3 about a month and a half ago cause i lost to eggz and patooty, but i still placed high going thorugh a lot of marhts, not as good as me but all marths have there openings of lag, you just gotta know what to look for, you can grab marth out of his short hop double Fair easy, unless you are samus or link. but i think a lot of these people complaining about marth, just can't sweet spot, tech, or do not know the match up that well at all.

 

[ChaoticSamus]

I only Fear either a really good Marth or a Really good Gannondorf

 

[HugS]

if marth messes up, he gets owned. BC PR (which im not even on) #5 is FirexEmblemxPride mains marth, and our matches are one stock apart, so if he is a better marth player then me, and he has TONS of samus practise from me and patooty(#4 on bc pr) then why is our matches so close if marth purly ***** samus? you just gotta abuse marth when he misses an Fsmash or an Nair, Fair etc. and Marth can do nothing about that.

sheik how ever has speed and priority over samus in general, im good vs sheik, i usto main her and have lotsa practise, but I will still say Sheik is the biggest counter.

Well, at times, I come within 1 stock of losing to mediocre Marths. I have immense trouble with great marths that I feel are still below me in skill. I have never beaten the nation's best marths (Azen, Ken, M2k), and I'm a pretty good samus.

It's possible, though doubtful, that my style isn't fit for marth. But I ask you to find a samus with an "anti marth" style, and I'll guarantee you that he will never beat someone like cactuar. We don't even have to **** with m2k/ken/azen.
You spoke of higher level play and how samus should be winning. This is the absolute HIGHEST level of play, and samus has to get lucky to win.

All the strategies you mentioned I excel at. My spacing is great, my recovery is unmatched. My teching abilities are great. My sweetspotting is so precise I rarely need to tech vs anything. My ground game is great, my arial game is solid. Why do I lose to a character that I "Should" be ******?

I do not see a high level samus beating a high level marth without getting lucky with "mindgames", and that should not be the case if a samus really can hang with marths.

 

[3Years]

spoken like a true pro haha 2 good hugo

 

[DarkKnight077]

I hate facing Peaches, they are annoying as heck. It's always the same whenever I face a Peach. Who ever can Spam correctly usually wins or depends on the stage I am in. If it's the Dream Land I have a chance, if it's Yoshi Story I might lose. If it's Pokemon Stadium I might win.

It's just hard to KO a Peach especially the one I face he's pretty good.

Ugh I hate Peach. So **** annoying..

 

[AIDS]

Well, at times, I come within 1 stock of losing to mediocre Marths. I have immense trouble with great marths that I feel are still below me in skill. I have never beaten the nation's best marths (Azen, Ken, M2k), and I'm a pretty good samus.

It's possible, though doubtful, that my style isn't fit for marth. But I ask you to find a samus with an "anti marth" style, and I'll guarantee you that he will never beat someone like cactuar. We don't even have to **** with m2k/ken/azen.
You spoke of higher level play and how samus should be winning. This is the absolute HIGHEST level of play, and samus has to get lucky to win.

All the strategies you mentioned I excel at. My spacing is great, my recovery is unmatched. My teching abilities are great. My sweetspotting is so precise I rarely need to tech vs anything. My ground game is great, my arial game is solid. Why do I lose to a character that I "Should" be ******?

I do not see a high level samus beating a high level marth without getting lucky with "mindgames", and that should not be the case if a samus really can hang with marths.

i recall watching some matches in the past with you almost beating ken, aswell i never said you should be ****** marth, i said he has a slight advantage. and yes you are in the highest level gameplay, your samus is amazing, but in general, i see sheik being much more **** on samus then marth. Sheik limits your revory, her combo's work on you better then anyone elses, if you get grabed at high %, you should be dead.

I am good against sheiks, but as you are greater(duh) could you please point out some keys in this match up? and what type of things cripple you in marth vs samus?

 

[Cactuar]

Haha. Yeah...

Marth ***** samus.

 

[VA]

AIDS, please just GTFO.

 

[AIDS]

AIDS, please just GTFO.

I am having a discution, i do not understand why you are saying these hurtful words, and saying somthing like "oh I'm gunna come to canada soon so watch out!" lol
anyway, just calm down, i don't know how long you have been playing but i have been in competitive smash for like 1.75 years, I am pretty sure i know what i am talking about.

 

[ChaoticSamus]

I am having a discution, i do not understand why you are saying these hurtful words, and saying somthing like "oh I'm gunna come to canada soon so watch out!" lol
anyway, just calm down, i don't know how long you have been playing but i have been in competitive smash for like 1.75 years, I am pretty sure i know what i am talking about.

Well AIDS got you there.