Video Thread: Now in Regular Definition!

[Sinister Slush]

I'm not good enough to critque anything so i'll just type a few things.
Watching that first and last stock Vs Reflex Game 1 was hard to look at. Especially tripping on SV's platform that resulted to your death.
Then last game last stock, You would've killed youself if it wasn't for that Wavebounce Eggthrow.

Michaelis: Did you try Down-B'ing since you DI'ed down during the fart at 1:20
Then 5:19... you literally jump at the exact moment the stage rises...
7:30 Oh satan, Why!? You Almost got hit by it again at 8:26

Elev8: 2nd stock Game 1 "Lemme look fancy with footstools instead of just getting the chaingrab over with."
3:10-3:28 **** DELIVERED!
12:44 NO YOU FOOL! USmash, how'd you press Grab again?

 

[Sharky]

slush@game3commentvselevate: he was trying to stall for time, not kill.

however, I think that's what I'm going to make a fault of here. Trying to stall for 6+minutes with sopo is a super risky strat that I don't think I'd ever choose to run, myself. I would have just gone for the kill asap personally: you were at fairly low damage, you could have feasibly killed nana again, THEN go for the timeout with the stock lead. With that much time on the clock you shouldn't bank on such small chances.

 

[Zankoku]

I think these are burntsocks vs Lycan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SR0SXLPAATs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZOIHF4D2-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKbFaV1NnHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njfByQjWsQc

More later as I do more video cutting.

 

[Delta-cod]

@Scatz: At school so I can't watch, but I'll reiterate what I told you in a text that night.

Timing out Sopo is a good strategy, but committing to it is only worthwhile in certain situations. If you're close in percent and even in stocks, forget it. If you're even in stock, it's only worth it if there's a low amount of time left. Committing to a timeout with 6 minutes left leaves A LOT of room for unfortunate things to happen. I personally don't focus on the timeout itself until I have a stock lead in most cases. Not to say I rush the kill - I don't. I take my time and play safe to ensure I hold a large advantage over towards killing Nana on the next stock. But I definitely don't aim for the timeout.

Thanks for the vids!

 

[Sinister Slush]

slush@game3commentvselevate: he was trying to stall for time, not kill.

I already knew he was trying to time out, I just decided that he should've killed sopo instead of trying to time him out.

 

[Sharky]

then why didn't you just say that lol

 

[Scatz]

I'm not good enough to critque anything so i'll just type a few things.
Watching that first and last stock Vs Reflex Game 1 was hard to look at. Especially tripping on SV's platform that resulted to your death.

The entire game was ****ed up. I was fine first stock until I let Reflex take momentum, and the game made it worse by ****ing me up more. The other trip during game 3 also fuked me up more cause I was going to steal the ledge so I could keep the game close.

Then last game last stock, You would've killed youself if it wasn't for that Wavebounce Eggthrow.

Yeah, and I knew it would've. WB Egg Throw is hard, but it's something I need to consistently get down cause I know it can save me more often.

Michaelis: Did you try Down-B'ing since you DI'ed down during the fart at 1:20

No, I was still in the air, and I believe I tried to fast fall so I could shield earlier.

Then 5:19... you literally jump at the exact moment the stage rises...

Yep. Just to throw it out there, it wasn't intentional.

7:30 Oh satan, Why!? You Almost got hit by it again at 8:26

And the moment 7:30 happened, I slammed my fist on the table. I've literally been BSed out of my stocks/kills during that tourney. I literally have ****ty luck at this game apparently, and it pisses me off immensely knowing that my desire to get better is hindered by bull****. Not only that, but you didn't even mention that cannonball that decides to pop right ontop of us giving me 40%+.

Elev8: 2nd stock Game 1 "Lemme look fancy with footstools instead of just getting the chaingrab over with."

****'s really gay. There's no point to mash when this happens.

3:10-3:28 **** DELIVERED!

That's me getting pissed off from all the bull**** I've had during that tourney.

12:44 NO YOU FOOL! USmash, how'd you press Grab again?

My brain went derp mode when I was trying to regrab. I didn't wanna Usmash cause I wanted to camp. So, naturally, my brain thought I could've CGed him to kill more time.

however, I think that's what I'm going to make a fault of here. Trying to stall for 6+minutes with sopo is a super risky strat that I don't think I'd ever choose to run, myself. I would have just gone for the kill asap personally: you were at fairly low damage, you could have feasibly killed nana again, THEN go for the timeout with the stock lead. With that much time on the clock you shouldn't bank on such small chances.

The issue was the way that stage is created. The platform extremely interferes with how I work in the MU, and when I realized that I had to kill him, I got walled hard. Plus, nana was extremely lucky in missing all my attacks.

@Scatz: At school so I can't watch, but I'll reiterate what I told you in a text that night.

Timing out Sopo is a good strategy, but committing to it is only worthwhile in certain situations. If you're close in percent and even in stocks, forget it. If you're even in stock, it's only worth it if there's a low amount of time left. Committing to a timeout with 6 minutes left leaves A LOT of room for unfortunate things to happen. I personally don't focus on the timeout itself until I have a stock lead in most cases. Not to say I rush the kill - I don't. I take my time and play safe to ensure I hold a large advantage over towards killing Nana on the next stock. But I definitely don't aim for the timeout.

Yeah, I learned that after the MU, but I definitely think that stage CPs change the difference in how we can normally play. These stages are mainly ones that have a ditch in the middle for them to camp.

 

[Sinister Slush]

then why didn't you just say that lol

Cause there's no point in typing something that was painfully obvious while watching the match since Sopo was past 200% before Scatz just decided to U-Air him.

 

[Deleted member]

Those vids are indeed me. Btw i was not really warm cuz those were some of my first matches in like 3 weeks, and those were friendlies (maybe a couple were our MM idk)
so very sloppy
but its ok
actually i think they were MM
egg roll of justice in video 2 first stock
ugg so many awful spotdodges rofl.

me vs oats friendly as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRb6rasFsH0&feature=related

these were all at the beginning so i was playing much sloppier in these than i do later i think. last kill is sick tho =]
edited this post like 1000 times xD

 

[Scatz]

And apparently, my Apex 2012 R2 pool matches were uploaded. Welcome to the complete and utter fail I had:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfd-7ssP_dI
Havok v.s Scatz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYN6ZznW00E
Shadow v.s Scatz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGkfA2zpu4
Stingers v.s Scatz

Tinman wasn't recorded I guess. It wasn't worth watch either though

Edit: Guess it was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtGnzAcc6es

 

[Deleted member]

wheres the ledge camping. Wheres the rolling. Wheres the pivot grab spam :D

Thats all ill say for now =]

 

[Scatz]

You're confusing me with Deltacod. Not only that, but I played complete *** in those matches. Morale was broken, techskill off. I basically already defeated myself before R2 Pools started.

 

[Deleted member]

Yo hella tournament videos. Thanks so much to aisight for being awesome and recording shiz. Critiques are welcome, i know i have much to work on. From my own analysis of myself (i have always been like this), i am very good at reading, and my DI is very good,but also i am sometimes predictable with my own defensive options, which cost me badly against havok's snake.

Vs. DSF- Falco, snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CQk0a9h1co&list=PL05582EF813D9DD0A&index=34&feature=plpp_video

Vs Havok (game 2 is probably the best i played all tournament, then i played a lousy game 3, see 8:15)- Snake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s9Zw66VyzA&feature=BFa&list=PL05582EF813D9DD0A&lf=plpp_video

Vs Vatobreak (dat jungle japes camping, back to 08 xD)- Diddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZywbHe2vO2o&list=PL05582EF813D9DD0A&index=6&feature=plpp_video

Vs JaimeHR (good match, me vs ganon is funny as hell)- G&W, ganon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm2AoqK87Ko&list=PL05582EF813D9DD0A&index=33&feature=plpp_video

Vs Tearbear- olimar/rob
one of these i went G&W cuz i didnt want to go yoshi vs rob. I didnt win any with yoshi. Game 3 was kinda sad i coulda had it =[ After reviewing this set, it is the stupidest thing ever LOL. I gave him game 3 pretty much, and game 1 that powershield on my uair to usmash OOS at like 65 cost me game 1 xD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Lusf4SX4Y&list=PL05582EF813D9DD0A&index=23&feature=plpp_video





casvdghbnjgj i shoulda had game 1 vs havok =[ o well. xD plz watch <3

 

[Z'zgashi]

You can never give enough props to Aisight, he is seriously one of the greatest and most generous people that ever became involved in the smash community.

Also, Ill watch in a bit, but I do have a question... Why does everyone hate fighting ROB so much? Really, it seems like all the top Yoshis hate the MU (Delta doesnt like/know the MU, Firefly picked up a secondary for it, Hades goes D3 against him, Socks went GW, etc) and 95% of the time whenever I see a match between ROB and Yoshi, the ROB wins pretty handily (Polt losing to Lada at Apex, Delta losing to Vinnie's ROB when he brings it out, hades dropping games to Kira's ROB, etc) and I seriously dont know why this is... I mean, Lada, the ROB from my state, HATES the MU and always CPs Falco on me (im the only person in our state bar X when he goes D3 who he leaves ROB to play against), yet he solidly took out Polt as ROB. I would say it's lack of experience, but why is it that EVERY Yoshi has a problem with the MU?

 

[Sharky]

I like the mu personally, and think we have a lot going for us. I suck tho =)

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm i think rob wins pretty handily. Dem disjoints and gyros gawd dayum. And we shouldnt kill rob ever.
Tbh i just knew that i cannot beat terrys rob with my yoshi. I literally had no chance. So i thought of what characters i play that beat rob, and G&W came to mind. G&W isnt exactly my secondary.

 

[Delta-cod]

ROB is ****ing gay. **** his stupid *** hitboxes that are present when there's no visible animation for it. **** his fat ****ing weight. **** his stupid ****ing recovery. **** his stupid ****ing Ftilt and disjoints and dumb laser and Gyro and Fair and dsaiuhndsuidfhsiuafsiauhasifwa.

**** that character. I'm glad nobody plays him.

 

[Yikarur]

I think we have to sit down together and learn and talk about the MU.
it's -1 for Yoshi okay, but that doesn't mean we're doomed but a lot of people act and feel like there doomed against Rob.
but Rob is so limited, I think we really need to go indepth of that MU, it shouldn't be that kind of problem-MU for us.
what are your (I mean all of you) biggest problems with the MU?

 

[Sinister Slush]

Wasn't there A time some Yoshi's thought the MU is even if we just hold onto the Gyro and camp the whole game till he's high enough percent to kill?
And yes, maybe another skype group for Yoshi's that actually want to discuss MU's and get better.
I say another skype group cause if we need the discussions for later reference, we can atleast find them easier since in the Social Yoshi skype group, it'd be drowned out from the few thousand messages in three days.

 

[Yikarur]

we have a skype group where we discused the MU Chart, we could use that one

 

[Sinister Slush]

I knew about the one for the BBR MU chart, but didn't think you'd want to reuse that.
Either way, if only skype would stop giving me Disk IOS or whatever errors, i'd be in skype right now.
(Yes i've uninstalled and installed plenty of times)

 

[Scatz]

That old chat; I don't even remember who was mod for it. I'm down for more discussion though. Barely talk in the "social" chat nowadays

 

[Delta-cod]

We could definitely use that chat, we'd just need to pick and choose people carefully for admittance.

It'd definitely be easier to log the discussions, too.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Wasn't there A time some Yoshi's thought the MU is even if we just hold onto the Gyro and camp the whole game till he's high enough percent to kill?
And yes, maybe another skype group for Yoshi's that actually want to discuss MU's and get better.
I say another skype group cause if we need the discussions for later reference, we can atleast find them easier since in the Social Yoshi skype group, it'd be drowned out from the few thousand messages in three days.

Yeah, we used to think that, but this really doesnt work, and 95% of the time, it's better not to hold the gyro Ive come to find out (imma make a write up later so Ill explain why that is then). Imo it's still a -1 for us, but it's not a hard -1, nor is it really that annoying of a MU. Really, the ROB should be far more irritated than us.

 

[Yoshiken96]

Yeah, I've got to agree with Z'zgashi on this one. It isn't that bad to me. Kiraflax lives pretty close to me, and comes over my house like 3 times a week for Brawl. I play his Rob a lot. Its a good -1 for yoshi in my opinion, nothing more, nothing less. There were a few sets with him where I had experimented keeping the gyro while trying to drain his stock, but it definitely doesn't work as well as it might appear in theory. If my goal is to limit Rob's use of the gyro, then I usually throw it high in the air so that I don't limit my own options. I only have a couple minutes before my next class, so I can't discuss the matchup more at the moment (perhaps later tonight if I finish my homework early), but it really isn't that bad to me.

 

[Scatz]

Or you should get skype.

 

[Deleted member]

Less rob, moRe critiquing.


But I just seriously dont like rob.

 

[Scatz]

Less rob, moRe critiquing.

K. Not gonna go at it cause I'm tired as **** though.

Your match vs Diddy was luck at the very end. Nanner saved you when he hit you with a Fair on last game. Without that momentum, I was positive you would've died. Also,

Spoiler

if you were better at DR

you should learn how to utilize nanners better.

Vs Oli, I was thinking that you should definitely try to kill Purples outright before they make it back to him. They're the only ones that stop us (Yellows too but to a lesser extent) from getting in as easily. Not much else I can say since I got wrecked vs Oli at Apex and have none near me.

Vs GW

Spoiler

Ganon

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL YOU GOT FOOTSTOOLED! YOU LOST THE MATCH IN MY BOOKS FOR THAT!

Still watching the rest.

 

[Deleted member]

No objections there.
Except the diddy thing. I definately would not have died from that fair.
I got lucky for other reasons

forget what i just said xD scatz u should learn to adapt better. Try just like figuring out habits, study them, and use them in the next game. You shouldnt be getting ***** game 1 and then getting ***** worse game 2

I think. unsure

 

[Deleted member]

Double post, but worth it.
Zudenka is so freaking good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLnEQdp6eu4

I mean idk how he compares to top US yoshis, but his control is insane. I feel like he could beat some real good people who dont know how to deal with that.
He does dumb things sometimes but he makes sick reads and his traps are awesome.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

1:18 on that video.

What's that?

 

[Z'zgashi]

Double Jump Canceled Egg Lay

 

[Aurablast]

Finally I have new videos (and there will be some other soon)\o/

VS Neo (Marth/Falco) (a french guy, because I remember Neo is also an american guy, that's not him)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVbwVLQupA&list=UUIikQBTNf37lKMwtDGNMDSA&index=1&feature=plcp

VS Kaji (Link) => those were serious matchs, but not a BO, so random CPs
1/3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edlb2JozzOo
2/3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9clfSY50Ssg&feature=related
3/3 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXrnjx-a9aQ&feature=related


Need to learn to DR. I do it well on slopes, but I don't use them well (generally too much predictable after using them).

Critics are welcome, especially against Falco because I die too much at low percent :I

 

[Deleted member]

I gotchu
First of all, pretty good, nice. I watched first video. Ur opponent was real sloppy. But u were pretty sloppy too. You weren't like super predictable, but u ran into tons of things you shouldn't have. Marth would just like throw out fsmash and you'd jump right into it. You dont need to encorperate dr, u need to start baiting with short hop air dodges, especially against players like that.
You also should be using egg lay way more, op move and I saw barely any.
Against falco you'd literally run In and attack his shield at low percentage as if u wanted him to grab u and kill you. You know he wants the grab, bait it and punish.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

VS. neo(thats the only one I watched)

You did good, solid wins on that marth.
And game 2, he got lucky on your second stock:/

You throw out smashes too much IMO.
You run around usmashing, fsmashing, dsmashing>.>

More tilts, fresher smashes, earlier kills. Right?

I've also typically found dsmash to be bad. But whatever, you did better than I could've.
I choke:/



Edit: what he said, also^

 

[Delta-cod]

Deltacod (Yoshi) vs. ChiboSempai (ROB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_3Ed-XuiY0&feature=context&context=G2f3dab5FUAAAAAAABAA

TO THE LEDGE!

 

[Z'zgashi]

omgggg, delta, end of game 1 and game 2 you started playing the MU right! You need to pressure his landings a bit more, but otherwise you started doing right.

 

[Deleted member]

rofl that was the greatest/most horrible thing i have ever seen. Why didnt he just ftilt u while u were on ledge lol.

 

[Killanator90]

I need some help in this MU any advice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcikNGDNQao&feature=channel_video_title

 

[Delta-cod]

I don't know the MU too well myself, but I can give you some advice:

BE MORE CAREFUL WITH YOUR RECOVERY. You got gimped twice because you were foolish offstage with your DJ. If you REALLY need another DJ, just down b to the stage. If you get thrown back offstage, it's okay - you have another DJ and 5 more eggs.

Hold shield more against ROB. srsly. He has trouble killing you if you're VERY safe.

Rob also liked to laser after hitting your shield with Gyro, so just keep on shielding after the gyro hits.


Deltacod (Yoshi) vs. ChiboSempai (ROB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_3Ed...b5FUAAAAAAABAA


You can also watch that^ to see if you can get anything out of it. I need to break it down myself. It's from yesterday.