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Victory is My Destiny - MK Video and Critique Thread

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UTDZac is arguably the best G&W in America so I don't feel too bad. But yeah I need to be more patient.
 
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Some constructive critique would be appreciated

Specifically, I'm having problems gimping TL as shown here (Not sure what to do at all!) [How to punish zairing =/]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY_uTjhsa2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI0Q8lyUqmM

And not too sure the best way to approach Shaya's marth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccHKI__JPw&feature=channel

This is from a Aussie major tourney, next one is in Dec, so hopefully I can incorporate some of your ideas/suggestions by then, Thanks =)

Chris
 
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A lot of times i noticed you landed the tornado far too close to marth. the sometimes you would hover over his head for less than a second which is never enough to shield poke, then go to the other side of the stage. when you dont have much room to retreat and you see marth chasing you you might wanna just turn back and catch his as he runs. Overall you got punished far too often for using the nado. Commit to it more or at least wait until his shield is a little less than full before trying to poke and ending it near him.

Also when marth is falling you might wanna try spamming FF uairs until he airdodges and then nair/nado/upb him. I watched all the other vids vs him too, it seemed like you let marth land safely too often without really threatening him :/
 
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When he throws just fair his pikmin, you can dair camp him in the beginning be careful though, olimar can usmash to..... fair you.

Olimar has trouble defending against a well timed / well controlled nado.

Play it kinda of gay, maintain your zones, space well, don't let him camp too much and dont let him get the grab at low percents.

Don't nado at ground level if he isn't doing something. Olimar can grab or pivot grab your nado.

I am not too familiar with the MU, I decent at it with marth, but I havn;t played too many olimars.
 
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XD It'll have to be a 0$ MM, cuz I generally don't do MMs. But maybe you'll get lucky, we'll see. Victory is my destiny.

I only sad that last part so that I could rhyme.
 
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i cant really see the video but i can give him some advice Camp like 50% of the time dont try to force any thing or you will get *****. snake is trying to use his grenades to put you in a bad position, wait till you feel convertible than come in for the approach, your approaches must be mixed up so never come in with the same approach 2 time in a row unless its part of your mindgames.The reason your approaches must be mixed up is because snake has answers to all you approaches so if your doing the same 2 things its really easy for the snake to adapt and **** your play style.once you are successful in geting your first hit or grab try to combo it to more things try to keep him in the air.

you can practice comboing snake from grabs and dash attacks and stuff like on lv 3 computers

GL
 
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ace156 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ij0zR8xV1w&feature=related

yes i know i get wrecked by this guys kirby, im just completely not sure how to go about fighting Kirby.
i realize that i need to air dodge less, and instead follow up with attacks. anyways, just watch it and let me know

edit: and yes i know the first kill on me was horrid DI haha
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This is probably my favorite match up. I haven't lost to blank or Y.B.M yet. I think they both hate playing me too.

The main points:
-DON'T get hit by Kirby's Fsmash! Ever! Make that your goal when playing kirby.
-When he grabs you, DI away and spam jump. He can't combo if you do that.
-Actually, anytime Kirby hits you in the air, DI and jump away from him. Otherwise you'll get combo'd.
-Approach slowly with ftilt. Abuse your range, don't get in his face.
-Anytime Kirby is in the air, it's a free tornado; so Kirby will stay on the ground.

About your match:
0:00 hes going for a grab. Don't let him get it.
0:06 nice!
0:10 nice Fsmash to make him get in the air. Now kirbys in the air, TORNADO!! or mabye SL.
0:13 DI AWAY AND JUMP! Don't dodge into the ground. You took way more damage than you should have
0:19-0:23 I get off the ledge by letting go and jumping away from the stage, then approach slowly. Being in kirbys face like that isn't good. If anything, ledge hop on the stage into and dodge.
0:24 DON'T dodge into the ground! JUMP AWAY!
0:27 Good UpB. SL is pretty spammable against Kirby
0:30 I always dash attack after a Dthrow against Kirby. They like going for that Fsmash.
0:35 Kirby is in the air, Nado! But your Nair works fine.
0:37 Watch out of that down air. If you ever get hit by hit, hold your shield and Roll away.
0:41 Perfect fair, now ftilt to keep the range advantage. I think your jab was an accident :)
0:43 Don't Nair so much. Use fair to space and ftilt to cover your tracks.
0:45 DI NORTHWEST and JUMP! That uptilt should not have hit.
0:46 Be careful dodging into the ground like that.
0:49 LOL.
0:51 When Kirby runs at you, he will shield or side step evertime.
0:54 Finally a ftilt! lol
0:55 Kirby's in the air!! Nado! lol
0:56 fair into ftilt. He has no where to run but off the stage.
0:59 nice ftilt. It really gets Kirby out of your face
1:01 Don't nair!
1:02 Don't dodge. DI up and away; and jump away lol
1:05 Don't dodge. DI up and away; and jump away lol
1:09 WHAT IN THE WORLD?!?! LOL. Tornado to recover. It goes though all his aerials.
1:15 Uhh.. don't do that? lol
1:18 DI UP AND AWAY!!!!!!!! and jump.. ;)
1:23 I would have said tornado to recover, but that was AMAZING!!! Nice job! lol
1:28 Just jump away from him when he is invincible. Staying on the ground can be bad news
1:39 Fair... or shield.
 
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Earla.

Use more f-tilt, it is a good poke if he used his nades and you think he might tilt.

Instead of dash attack, dash grabbing is usually a more rewarding option and it doesn't blow you up.

Can't elaborate. Most boring match ive ever watched.

im just cranky, morning johnz

ace156 - stop approaching with nair so much.
 
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Captain Palpi said:
Earla.

Use more f-tilt, it is a good poke if he used his nades and you think he might tilt.

Instead of dash attack, dash grabbing is usually a more rewarding option and it doesn't blow you up.

Can't elaborate. Most boring match ive ever watched.

im just cranky, morning johnz

ace156 - stop approaching with nair so much.
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Nothing for me?:laugh:
 
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You boys have plenty of work to do here. I would critique them all with no problem as I do in the King Dedede boards, but I refuse to touch Meta Knight and have no experience with him. -_-

Do work son! Help out MiniTroika!
 
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JagaTranvo said:
I didn't see any nair but its fine if you don't like it,but it helps out with those air dodges.
Also while watching,I notice you you don't SDI, you would've survived some of those smashes ;)
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No offense... but why does EVERYONE critique like this? Do you really think he will get any better by hearing that advice? Refer to my critique a few post above.

Tell EXACTLY when he should use Nair and EXACTLY what you think he should have done different. If you don't have time to go over every second of the video, at least pick a few points where you think there was a better option.

Style critiques are helpful too. Example: "Camp with dair more often and throw out tornadoes occasionally." Then find a video of someone using that technique and give the time (1:14 ect.) that the technique was used.
 
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zyth said:
hey could som1 rate my MK? these vids are from a tourney I won couple weeks ago

I'm Zyth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ2-BJrpW8E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De41cnuqECk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e8jSGVXjB8

I lost the second one but I still came out on top:chuckle:
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I think I could critique the Marth much easier than I can critique you :p Marth isn't one of my best match ups, but I think I know the concept decently well.

I think you got the majority of you damage by approaching very aggressively with Fair. If it works against omega, then do it against him. But approaching aggressively with Fair against Marth is usually a bad idea. All he has to do is shield it and punish however he wants. Even if it's perfectly spaced he can still get to you with sword dance I think.

(When you're fairly close to Marth)
The idea is to not approach, and make Marth come to you. Try to keep your spacing just out of his Tipper range. That puts a lot of pressure on him and he will do something careless, then you just punish he does. Walking towards Marth slowly and approaching with Ftilts tends to shut his ground game down. UpB when he comes at you with SH Fairs tend to shut down his air game. (If he doesn't space the Fair well, then you can shield and punish with grab or Nair).

Juggling!
This is probably the most important part of the match up. This is why I think the match up is pretty strongly in MKs favor. Marth only has 2 jumps, and he has no reliable way to hit you when you're below him. The idea is to throw out Uairs to bait him into dodging, then Nair him when he does. If it looks like he is going to make it back to the ground, throw out a tornado and put him back in the air. Marth can't do anything against tornado when he is in the air. I would recommend dojo's video to give you juggling ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T9uZ2eCcFI&feature=related

Edge guarding:
You pretty much have the right idea on edge guarding Marth. When he is hit very far away, chase him below the stage with Dair. If you know he can make it to the ledge before you can get to him, just wait. It's very difficult for Marth to get off the ledge without taking damage against MK. Stand just outside of his ledge hop Fair range and get ready to punish with something that doesn't have much ending lag (Fsmash, Dtilt). When he sees that your out of his Ledge Hop Fair range, he will probably jump and either dodge or throw out and areal. Wait to see with one he does and punish accordingly (SL, Nair, Uair).

My favorite way to edge guard marth is to grab the ledge early. Marth will wait for your invincibility frames to wear off the UpB. So before you invincibility wears off, fast fall a Dair off the ledge XD

I would point out specifics in your videos, but honestly, your MK is very fluid. You don't make many mistakes. I would just recommend changing your spacing a little and approaching slower.

earla said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkShPU9uI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zijEtPhp4Ek
mk v snake critique please.
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I play the Snake match up completely different. I Dair camp and throw out tornadoes randomly. Sometimes I dodge into the ground right next to Snake and try for a grab/tilt/Dsmash or whatever. I know it's bad quality, but watch how much Dair camping M2K does. He almost never just runs in with a dashgrab or runs in and shields like you do. Affinity runs in and shields or grabs a lot though, so it definitely works. I would just mix it up with the Dairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swC6wWKJsok

MiniTroika said:
I have some more vids. People please, I need some help with these matchups:

MiniTroika (MK) vs. Dao (Diddy)- ActiveGamers Round 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPnhDxEbioA

Round 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4JOFe4jya4&feature=related

Friendly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AnMe3VX9D0&NR=1
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Yuck. You're obviously a better player than the Diddy in these videos; you just don't know the diddy match up very well. The big thing you need to learn is to not be afraid of the bananas. When Diddy has a banana, relax. When you have a full shield, approach slowly (walking) on the ground. When diddy throws the banana at you and it hits your shield, UpB out of shield. Just doing that over and over will beat 90% of the diddys out there. I really think that is all you need to beat the guy every time in the future.

The only example I could find is at 9:16 on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_GGqRvPSkY

It doesn't work as well against pro level diddys because they have been hit by it 10,000 times :p. So they don't fall for it anymore. I'll try to get some videos of me playing against diddy up soon.
 
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props to zozefup for takin the time to help out. keepin this thread alive. keep it up
 
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Thank you earla :) It's cool to hear responses sometimes. It takes a lot of time to critique some videos.

Zozefup said:
M2K almost never just runs in with a dashgrab or runs in and shields like you do.
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I found a video of Affinity (MK) VS Joker (Snake), and Affinity has your style in the match up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMPbiaJuN10

Joker is an amazingly good snake player too. Here is a video of me getting stomped by him before I knew about Dair camping. I would do a lot better now, but he will still beat me every game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fIUsTk0IGk&feature=related
 
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A friend of mine is playing MK and is trying to improve, so we recorded some vids and I'm posting them here for him. He's working on basics still but he want his style critiqued and what should he improve

We played a few different characters to get different playstyles. Btw his tag is Mg.

Vs ZSS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtZ4If73Rc

Vs Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeBraPONUiU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m3Of4hBlUg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV2z8AaFrFs

Vs Peach
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3xUgk2cD5o


So yea, thanks guys.
 
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