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Renth
Smash Hero
Brawl pretty much sucks, to the people who say it's more balanced you're right. I love being chain grabbed by DDD and Falco and Laser/Reflector camped ect. Man.. let me tell you everyones equal this time around. No tech skill, Super Camping dang what could be better.
Brawl really sucks.
Brawl really sucks.
?!?
Smash Lord
brawl is just boring. lack of mobolity=street fighter well it reminds me of street fighter all stiff and ****. but its balanced but melee more fun
Rohins
Smash Lord
Hmm I personally like the new mechanics (minus tripping lol). Way more options from shield, interesting buffer system add a lot that was impossible in Melee. They removed stuff I can honestly say I don't miss.
Wavedash? I can move quick enough with most characters and now have better options out of shield. I guess I don't have too much room to talk, Snake basically has a swd
At first I thought I was going to miss L cancel, but in the end not really. Just learned how to autocancel or use low lag aerials. Most combos I do don't involve a series a shffls. Depending on the character it's either in the air or a combination of projectiles.
I dunno, I guess I never went through the Brawl hate phase. Only thing that pisses me off is when I'm not performing well same crap I had in Melee. As far as camping? Game feels the same to me as Melee except I feel I have better options for dealing with it this time around.
Wavedash? I can move quick enough with most characters and now have better options out of shield. I guess I don't have too much room to talk, Snake basically has a swd
At first I thought I was going to miss L cancel, but in the end not really. Just learned how to autocancel or use low lag aerials. Most combos I do don't involve a series a shffls. Depending on the character it's either in the air or a combination of projectiles.
I dunno, I guess I never went through the Brawl hate phase. Only thing that pisses me off is when I'm not performing well same crap I had in Melee. As far as camping? Game feels the same to me as Melee except I feel I have better options for dealing with it this time around.
?!?
Smash Lord
yea getting around camping is the same as melee there is aways methods around camping
hungrybox
Smash Legend
OMG i was playing melee
too fun
too smooth
too amazing
too skilled
too yes
too fun
too smooth
too amazing
too skilled
too yes
Rohins
Smash Lord
XIF
Smash Master
Because fox, falco, samus, etc couldnt camp in melee at all, and twice as well. rofl.
And you played ganondorf of all people and you're gonna complain about getting cg'd in brawl but not melee? I mean really did you know sheik was even a playable character in melee? <_<;
DDD gets max like 25% on almost every neutral and counterpick in brawl. Plus you know almost every character can sidestep out of it? orly?
yes, really, invest a little bit more time. There were discussions about the fairness of sheik's chain grab years after melee came out, and they sound laughable now. Give brawl more than a couple weeks and a presumptuous dismissal.
Zoro
Smash Champion
Renth
Smash Hero
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Why is everyone saying Brawl is more balanced?
It's been out for 2 weeks.
And its pretty obvious that it's gonna come down to whoever has the better projectile, leaving characters like Ike and Bowser unusable.
Sakurai please die and take this abomination with you(as well as XIF).
The only reason XIF likes this game is because he still doesn't have to L cancel(like he did with Peach).
<3 XIF
It's been out for 2 weeks.
And its pretty obvious that it's gonna come down to whoever has the better projectile, leaving characters like Ike and Bowser unusable.
Sakurai please die and take this abomination with you(as well as XIF).
The only reason XIF likes this game is because he still doesn't have to L cancel(like he did with Peach).
<3 XIF
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
No, actually, once again camping will prevail.
However, that's all there will be.
Camping.
Nothing new.
CAMP CAMP CAMP.
And everyone who plays character A will play him exactly the same or else character A will suck.
Brawl is the end of good deep fighting games.
However, that's all there will be.
Camping.
Nothing new.
CAMP CAMP CAMP.
And everyone who plays character A will play him exactly the same or else character A will suck.
Brawl is the end of good deep fighting games.
harriettheguy
Smash Lord
money match, ill use both hands to play this time.
GA Peach
Smash Lord
it's called an airdodge. apply it. you DO know that you can airdodge and it doesn't freeze your character like in SSBM, right?
exarch
doot doot doot
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uNawxTzTWVY
There's some hope for brawl yet.
But I don't care to be the one to develop these tricks. So until brawl becomes entertaining and challenging,
Who wants to play melee?
You know LTECs will be melee until that happens. But the next one possible is during sometime during May (when I'm out of school and back in Gville).
There's some hope for brawl yet.
But I don't care to be the one to develop these tricks. So until brawl becomes entertaining and challenging,
Who wants to play melee?
You know LTECs will be melee until that happens. But the next one possible is during sometime during May (when I'm out of school and back in Gville).
h1roshi
Smash Hero
brawl is good. play it.
-hiro
-hiro
hungrybox
Smash Legend
Ah, hiro with the words of wisdom
GA Peach
Smash Lord
i don't see why being able to do shine movement tricks gives "hope" to brawl... :/
exarch
doot doot doot
It's speeding the game up.
As of now, it's slow and boring.
Oh and they need to patch tripping too. Because DAM.
As of now, it's slow and boring.
Oh and they need to patch tripping too. Because DAM.
Renth
Smash Hero
I will not miss LTEC
derf
Smash Ace
i thought the shine thing was cool b/c it gives you an option during the very limited first few frames of your initial dash.
an observation after playing brawl on wifi for the first time--brawl was designed for laggy online play. certainly, most of the gameplay changes seem tailored to online: auto sweet-spotted recoveries, slower movement in general, no l canceling, buffered attack inputs, no shield stun. think about it, can you imagine trying to sweet-spot recoveries online against melee marth (esp with connection variability)? you'd get forward smashed all day. similarly, the combination of no shield stun and buffered inputs allows for more consistent shield punishment in a lagged online environment. again with a marth example. in online melee, it would be extremely difficult to properly time a shield wavedash to punish a shielded marth forward smash. you'd have to take into account the shield stun before you could wave-dash, and if you entered the controls for wd too soon you'd just roll. in brawl, you can actually input your attack any time after marth hits your shield and the buffering takes care of it for you
i sort of view these changes as necessary for an online game. [understatement] obviously, is still prefer melee in person [/understatement], but for an online version of smash bros, i guess brawl aint too bad (other than tripping wtf)
an observation after playing brawl on wifi for the first time--brawl was designed for laggy online play. certainly, most of the gameplay changes seem tailored to online: auto sweet-spotted recoveries, slower movement in general, no l canceling, buffered attack inputs, no shield stun. think about it, can you imagine trying to sweet-spot recoveries online against melee marth (esp with connection variability)? you'd get forward smashed all day. similarly, the combination of no shield stun and buffered inputs allows for more consistent shield punishment in a lagged online environment. again with a marth example. in online melee, it would be extremely difficult to properly time a shield wavedash to punish a shielded marth forward smash. you'd have to take into account the shield stun before you could wave-dash, and if you entered the controls for wd too soon you'd just roll. in brawl, you can actually input your attack any time after marth hits your shield and the buffering takes care of it for you
i sort of view these changes as necessary for an online game. [understatement] obviously, is still prefer melee in person [/understatement], but for an online version of smash bros, i guess brawl aint too bad (other than tripping wtf)
XIF
Smash Master
***My other topic, rewritten because it was close***
lets be honest here, galeon were not good in melee. He never went to tournaments and rarely went to smashfests, so how could he be? He also played sub par characters, which with melee (and unlike brawl) sets you back quite a bit.
But being bad at melee should in no way be an indicator of whether you are good in brawl. You might see a positive correlation between good melee and good brawl players, but only so much as how smart they were and their other fighting game backgrounds. Azen is a beast at almost every game period, so him being good at brawl is no surprise. Mike G has roots in dozens of other fighters, and is also really good at brawl. But Asking someone to be good or bad at brawl because they were good or bad in melee is utterly ridiculous. Its like asking someone to be a beast at third strike because they were amazing in super turbo. It doesnt work like that, and you'll find many many instances of players being amazing at one and then trash at the other.
So for someone like galeon to be good at brawl is not a huge surprise because not only is it a chance for those who were poor at melee to get good at brawl but because also anybody could simply like and therefore put forth more effort in brawl. People like doodah and hungrybox think their skill in melee should exactly parallel brawl, and that other bad players should continue being bad, but because they hate the game and find it boring, they simply cannot put forth not only the effort but the intensity of training others who love it do.
I also dont understand the sentiment that somehow people who were bad in melee dont deserve to be good in brawl. A line I hear alot is something like "Brawl is giving all these trash melee players an opportunity to be good at brawl what nonsense is that?!" I dont understand the problem. Why not? Obviously if they put forth the effort they deserve to be good, and likewise their lack thereof in melee gave them a deserving poor skill level.
lets be honest here, galeon were not good in melee. He never went to tournaments and rarely went to smashfests, so how could he be? He also played sub par characters, which with melee (and unlike brawl) sets you back quite a bit.
But being bad at melee should in no way be an indicator of whether you are good in brawl. You might see a positive correlation between good melee and good brawl players, but only so much as how smart they were and their other fighting game backgrounds. Azen is a beast at almost every game period, so him being good at brawl is no surprise. Mike G has roots in dozens of other fighters, and is also really good at brawl. But Asking someone to be good or bad at brawl because they were good or bad in melee is utterly ridiculous. Its like asking someone to be a beast at third strike because they were amazing in super turbo. It doesnt work like that, and you'll find many many instances of players being amazing at one and then trash at the other.
So for someone like galeon to be good at brawl is not a huge surprise because not only is it a chance for those who were poor at melee to get good at brawl but because also anybody could simply like and therefore put forth more effort in brawl. People like doodah and hungrybox think their skill in melee should exactly parallel brawl, and that other bad players should continue being bad, but because they hate the game and find it boring, they simply cannot put forth not only the effort but the intensity of training others who love it do.
I also dont understand the sentiment that somehow people who were bad in melee dont deserve to be good in brawl. A line I hear alot is something like "Brawl is giving all these trash melee players an opportunity to be good at brawl what nonsense is that?!" I dont understand the problem. Why not? Obviously if they put forth the effort they deserve to be good, and likewise their lack thereof in melee gave them a deserving poor skill level.
?!?
Smash Lord
OR no one is exp agsint any character and anyone can win a tourney like the olden days of melee where diffrented people win tourneys lol I garanteed that in 1 or 2 years its gonna be like melee the top 4 IF they are pro will **** in brawl easily and the skill between top 4 and the rest of fl will be a huge gap. im not saying im one of them cuz im not even close to being a decent player in brawl I suck balls at brawl. I dont train cuz im not motivated to play brawl yet jjust waiting on some good vids like in melee to motivate me to train.
Zoro
Smash Champion
lol tru
i was playin some melee at valencia today after we played brawl
and this one guy said "they changed it to melee cuz they know we would win, brawl is more balanced and everyone has a chance. melee sucks all you have to do is short hop and press A and you win." i would be short hop lasering and pillaring and everytime i moved he would say " short hop A Short hop A" it was so annoying and didnt make any sense at all but just a couple days before brawl came out the same guy was decent so he liked melee but he sucked compared to wato. Now brawl came out and people feel good because they beat me at a completely different game. I JUST BEAT ZORO. omg stfu man.
if noobs wernt so gay i wouldnt mind at all that they are good
but with attitudes like that I just want them to get owned
and dont tell me this hasnt happened to you.
i was playin some melee at valencia today after we played brawl
and this one guy said "they changed it to melee cuz they know we would win, brawl is more balanced and everyone has a chance. melee sucks all you have to do is short hop and press A and you win." i would be short hop lasering and pillaring and everytime i moved he would say " short hop A Short hop A" it was so annoying and didnt make any sense at all but just a couple days before brawl came out the same guy was decent so he liked melee but he sucked compared to wato. Now brawl came out and people feel good because they beat me at a completely different game. I JUST BEAT ZORO. omg stfu man.
if noobs wernt so gay i wouldnt mind at all that they are good
but with attitudes like that I just want them to get owned
and dont tell me this hasnt happened to you.
?!?
Smash Lord
noobs are funny lol yea we got alot down here *cought cought esam nick riddle seibrik*
XIF
Smash Master
Yeah i had something mentioned like that in my closed topic chops but forgot to put it down again.
But absolute a-holes are good in melee too. G-reg has always been a bit of a jerk but that doesnt mean he's any less deserving of the skill he has.
Something similar has happened, but far more courteous and flattering. I've had people assume they were gonna lose to me when they played me in brawl just cause I was decent in melee. I mean, I won in the end because i've been practicing ALOT, but they didnt do nearly as bad as they thought. Because i'm not auto good at brawl.
But absolute a-holes are good in melee too. G-reg has always been a bit of a jerk but that doesnt mean he's any less deserving of the skill he has.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
that's what my first post was about, zoro
PB&J
Smash Hero
brawl is great
SynikaL
Smash Lord
I usually try and stay out of Brawl debates considering my convictions regarding the game are no secret (unabated trash) ...but I had to address this specific misnomer I see Brawl supporters running to time and time again (never mind the fact that the rest of this post was complete nonsense).
It's simple really; did you know Brawl is the only "fighting" game that imposes lag on aerial attacks? Of course not, you made that post.
As for Wavedash: Since you're so fond of comparing Brawl to 3rd Strike, where's my Quick Dash equivalent that fosters footsies and spacing regarding the ground game? There truly is none.
-Syn
lamugi
Smash Lord
syn do u live near tampa cause i coulda sworn that name sounds familiar.
i like brawl just not for competitive play.
i like brawl just not for competitive play.
SynikaL
Smash Lord
Nah, I'm waay South of Tampa. You may have heard of me, but I doubt we've met.
-Kye
-Kye
PB&J
Smash Hero
he is comparing it to third strike because brawl is a totally different game from melee as third strike is to super turbo..brawl is great
SynikaL
Smash Lord
His motivation behind making the correlations do not concern me, only the accuracy of his logic. He's clearly wrong -- specifically the point he was trying to make about L-Cancel's removal.
Brawl is garbage.
-Kimosabae
Brawl is garbage.
-Kimosabae
h1roshi
Smash Hero
i like brawl.
-hiro
-hiro
PB&J
Smash Hero
just because u probably suck at the game doesn't make the game garbage..play another game if u hate it so much
Mankosuki
Smash Champion
You're thinking of "sYm" aka Smash Your Mom from New Port Richey.
exarch
doot doot doot
Really PBJ, stop pretending as though you know how good everyone is at brawl.
Synikal is obviously very familiar with other fighters, so by Xif's logic he should be able to be good at Brawl as well. If he wanted to be. Syn is also one of the most articulate, logical and clever posters on the boards, which suggests he is smart enough to be good at any game he applied himself too. I have never seen him make an argument as unbased and illogical as the one I just quoted from you.
I'm sure Synikal could have come and said this far more eloquently than I, but he's also intelligent enough to not get involved in pointless flame-wars. Also, it seems he does play other games.
You on the other hand, make absurd claims about people you've never played in Brawl (in melee either?) and openly attack anyone who disagrees with you.
The game is slow, unimaginative, and party game-ish.
GA Peach
Smash Lord
I understand and agree with the slow part, Thomas, but not the other 2. I think the game is MAD slow compared to Melee, but there are lots of great fighting games that are slow-paced (i.e. Virtua Fighter, 3rd Strike, and others), so I don't see what speed has to do with how deep and involved a game can be. If you could, please explain the unimaginative and party game-ish opinions of yours. I'd like to hear them.