VaNz Stuff.. about Peach (Tactical Discussion)

[ShroudedOne]

I used to hate the Falcon MU a LOT. Now I just hate him moderately.

He should still be erased from the game.

 

[baka4moé]

hahahaha man peach has it rough lol

 

[ShroudedOne]

I don't like to john about her too much, but she kinda does.

Nah, she really does.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Anyone else think how much worst peach would be if she couldnt float. Like were she would be on the tier list and stuff

 

[VA]

She'd be **** if she had DJC only.

Peach, on paper, is average. But we know in reality it's not the case. She's a *****, and we all know it.

Does anyone stop to think how much better she'd be if all her tilts were as good as her dtilt, and her side B wasn't awful. WHAT IF IT TURNED YOU INTO SHEIK LAWL.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

She would be pretty bad, it would be like taking shine away from the spacies or down b away from zelda. Also peach would then suffer from zelda syndrome meaning she would only have a couple of good moves. Her up air would be meh her fair would be dkish (better then dk's but still bad) her dair would be terrible. Her nair and bair would still be good. Her dsmash would still be good and her dash attack and turnips would be ok but not being able go do a aerial while holding a turnip hurts. plus her recovery and gimping ability would be worst.

 

[VA]

Yes, terrible. Lucky she can float and is actually a half decent character.

 

[!Peligro!]

What are your preferred edgeguards/tricksies against the high tier characters? I'd like to see what methods you guys have that I should be incorporating. In particular I had a hard time edgeguarding Marth this weekend, which I don't think should be that hard.

 

[Cia]

I've always wanted to replace Peach's Side B with Falcos.

Can u imagine stalling in the air with float, and Illusion spiking ppl with your recovery.. AS PEACH.

ahh yes. would be amazing.

..

I'd also settle for Jigglypuff''s or bowser's Side B.. Air grab from float is also pretty hot,

 

[VA]

If it was the same idea as Bowser's but faster and looked sexier as Peach it would be soooooooooooooooooooooo hot. Aerial command grab as Peach would be just sickening.

Imagine the mix ups!

 

[Bing]

Just wondering if anyone had any tips on controlling aerials while in float. I can Float just fine, at any level, just I find when Im moving I tend to throw out the wrong aerial(Normally I accidently fair, I have a lot of trouble dairing)

Anything?

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

I dont really have any tips, just practice with it until u get use to it. Also u might find some aerials easier to do with the c stick or the a button so try that out.

Also whats going on with the cf boards they got there own sub forum, i say we should get a sub forum for being the best boards on swf

 

[baka4moé]

yo

**** uninformative biased commentary. ****s getting really annoying/old, and its juvenile

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

yo

**** uninformative biased commentary. ****s getting really annoying/old, and its juvenile

What r u referring to?

 

[ShroudedOne]

The same bull**** commentary WC gives him for being a Peach main. It's pathetic, really.

 

[baka4moé]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGc4RY_i6mA&feature=g-all-u&context=G2df8964FAAAAAAAAAAA

this happens every time i play ever and its getting so ****ing annoying as ****. i try to get things recorded when i can, especially for bad matchups or against ppl ill most like likely lose to, so that i can more easily see what im doing wrong. but its really hard and demotivating when this happens EVERY ****ing time. the worst part is that i dont even do anything worth scrutinizing over at least imo, its just there are a vocal few that act really lame. i know im not good and i want to improve...gehhh

anyways advice would be appreciated if any of you have time, but im really more interested in the marth matchup which will be out in a few days, so yeah...

edit: thank you shrouded, yes i do trust you hahaha. i dont get it honestly..

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

And O i hate when people talk **** about me being a peach player like she is so easy to use or some ****. (I think this is what u r talking about) anyway i will watch the vid later when i can and give advice if i am able

 

[Wake]

Just beat them and relish in the victory.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Whats kinda cool is most tourney going people in ny dont say much **** about peach (there is this one guy but i think he was just mad he lost).

Whats annoying is a lot of my friends give me **** for using peach. Like one of them is a fox and he one other guy always ask me "how many buttons did u have to press" whenever they get hit by dsmash. While b/c he can do the same **** every other avg fox does he gets praised like he is doing the hardest thing in the world, it gets annoying

 

[john!]

space animals are the easiest characters in the game

 

[thesage]

I've gotten over it. Also baka, you should crouch and d-tilt more against Shiek. You should not stay in the air so much, since you get slapped. I lost to Tafonkits the last time we played, but I've thought about and played the matchup since then and I'm pretty sure those things are very helpful.

I still need to work on how to edgeguard shiek if she still has her dj.

 

[ShroudedOne]

I like floating out to hit her, or throwing turnips, if she still has her DJ and can reach the stage with only that. If she can't, just grab the ledge. I think knowing when to take the ledge in that MU is super important, and takes some experience in the MU.

 

[baka4moé]

ok. i think what bothers me a bit more is that since its on the internet people are getting an inaccurate idea of who i am before even meeting me, but thats just insecurity creeping up i guess.

what can i crouch and how can i punish it? it seems when i crouch things i cant really do anything when the sheik spaces it right. same with dtilt i dont really know how to set up for it when the sheik is really spacing things well. being more grounded sounds pretty good actually, ill think about that more. thanks.

 

[!Peligro!]

While there is definitely too much Baka hate out there I didn't find this video was too bad. They smack talk the way Johnny and Adam always do, but they also called out Daniel and gave you some props in there. I think if you relax a little bit people will probably ease up. For instance, Martin and I choose green team the other day because we knew you would make a fuss about it. When you get up tight about little things it makes it easy for people to tease you. On a related note, don't worry about people getting an inaccurate idea of you from commentary, it reflects more on the commentators than on you.

Don't get me wrong, you get a lot of undeserved disrespect from people that I find really upsetting, but you also have to remember that you're competing and that smack talk is part of any sport.

 

[Wake]

Yeah I don't really understand the Baka hate. It seems worse with you.

 

[VA]

ok. i think what bothers me a bit more is that since its on the internet people are getting an inaccurate idea of who i am before even meeting me, but thats just insecurity creeping up i guess.

what can i crouch and how can i punish it? it seems when i crouch things i cant really do anything when the sheik spaces it right. same with dtilt i dont really know how to set up for it when the sheik is really spacing things well. being more grounded sounds pretty good actually, ill think about that more. thanks.

I watched the whole set, which I wouldn't usually do. The commentary was terrible. I had the same thing over here for a while. I'd be equal with my opponent and the commentator would be waffling on about how ***** I was getting, how I couldn't approach and all kinds of nonsense. I beat people and it went away.

Anyway! Vs Sheik, I think you didnt land enough setups, dash attack and dtilt. Perhaps if you could stay grounded more, dash in, shield and react with a wdash oos shield forward or bwards then you can bait something? I find this works if you leave the space far enough that you can't get shield grabbed. Sometimes she'll try to retreat and you wdash forward out of shield and DA and it's quite unexpected.

I also feel like I didn't see you using your shield well. I suck but recently I beat leffen from pretty much only attacking out of shield (I still play terrible in tournament )

 

[MacD]

good ol neighborhood p

how i miss the days of him being no where near the smash community. i don't even wanna go on sat because he's going but alas, i gotta take toph so yea

everything is always gonna be worse with adam too cause he's just a jack*** who loves to **** talk. granted he can have some insightful commentary at times, but he doesn't know how to/care how to do commentary in a good way.

there is always the easy target to make fun of in whatever you do. there is always that guy in your class, that guy in your group of friends, that guy on the sports team, that guy at work. that guy just happens to be peach. once people grow up/get good at the game, there is less biased bull**** that you have to listen to. like i've said before, been there done that. i do all the same **** as before and no one gives me a super hard time (of course you gotta take the little jests of dat dsmash on a platform, granted i always do it so yea lol)

so just like in high school, you gotta put up with the dumb*** bullies who think they are hot **** because they have an APM of like 200 while yours might only be 100.

 

[Rosedemon]

The sooner you stop giving a ****, the sooner life will be amazing.

 

[ConnorTheKid]

so just like in high school, you gotta put up with the dumb*** bullies who think they are hot **** because they have an APM of like 200 while yours might only be 100.

high school's so dumb though...

 

[Xyzz]

What are your preferred edgeguards/tricksies against the high tier characters? I'd like to see what methods you guys have that I should be incorporating. In particular I had a hard time edgeguarding Marth this weekend, which I don't think should be that hard.

General tips:
- turnips can be a great nuisance for your recovering opponent, forcing him to use dj / aerials / attempt to catch it, hindering his way back.
- against people who can't ledge tech, simply standing there whoring downsmash, when he will use up b in the near future, works wonders.

Fox:
- turnip can cover the illusion option for you, if you aren't trusting in your ability to nair him out of it on reaction.
- stay on stage and wait for his up b start up, decide where to go from there. You can:
- nair / fair / bair / [dair to nair] him out of his fire fox
- edge hog him if he is far away enough / attempting to do a good sweet spot to make it harder for you
- go out there and hit him.
If he is at a distance where is up b will carry him over the ledge, your should definitely hit him with a aerial to send him offstage again. If he will be able to grab the ledge your life is a bit harder, you can often dair him out of it, since that one has a fair amount of reach below the stage and combos nicely into nair. Be careful about firefoxes going above the stage, with bad spacing he will hit you with the up b, and therefore recover successfully.
Nair is great for his speed and killing power, so if you can get him with that, it is a good option.
Bair also has good speed, and a much better range then nair, but it is not so good at killing, so you will usually have to do more then one bair to get a successful edgeguard. I think the best application is if you are not sure beforehand whether an edgehog will suffice, so you just float there, and see what will happen (bair / edgehog).
Fair is the best killing move you have, usually a fair will send Fox so far off he will have no chance to recover, but fair is pretty slow, so your timing will have to be good.

Going to Fox is really a nice option if he is near the stage, since a aerial out of the up b start up will basically ALWAYS send him off too far to recover. Armada-esque turnip -> nair edge guards are pretty great, though not that easy to hit.

Falco:
Fox with less range, treat him accordingly.

Puff: you will outright kill her, or she will make is back. Your vertical aerial move speed is far to slow to catch her.

Sheik: grab the ledge, punish her up b on stage, usually with a downtilt which will combo into almost anything you want it to.
It can be a good idea to get to the edge without using up float, so you can refresh your invincibility with edge drop -> instant float -> regrab, if Sheik will pass near the edge during her recovery and could free it up by hitting you from it.

Marth:
Turnip's get a special mention, as if it hits him during his side b stuff, he will lose pretty much all his forward momentum, which is *really* bad for him, usually resulting in his death.
If you can grab the ledge, his up b has just as much landing lag as Sheik's does, and he can't even aim it, but rather he will stand at the edge of the stage looking stupid. But it's not all doom and gloom for him, since his up b has pretty good hitboxes covering him fairly well. It is fairly hard to hit him out of his up b using aerials for that reason, I think it is possible with fair, but I wouldn't rely on it.
It is definitely a good idea to use a turnip to do so, though. You can throw one upwards timing it so, that it will be there when he has to up b, or you can just throw it directly on to him. Or you can float over the ledge and z drop a turnip grabbing the ledge in the process. The turnip will cover his up b, and he shouldn't be able to get a second up b high enough to land on the stage, so you can simply edge hog him from there.

Peach: I've up to this day never faced another Peach player, so I can't really help here
*forever alone*

Falcon: His recovery is horribly telegraphed and not really threatening. Use aerials to send him off again. The only thing he got going for him is ledge tech -> instant up b since that will clear the skies for him by throwing the edge guarding Peach to mid stage
You can also go out there and hit him at the end point of his down b shenanigans.


edit: oh, and nobody has ever given me any **** for playing Peach (:

 

[Bing]

I ****ing Love Peach dittos... I dont know why...
I've only ever played 2 Peach's, Riddlebox and Jethrotex. Jeth I can 2 stock but Riddlebox me

For Peach dittos I generally just throw Turnips while approaching, lots of bairs and nairs. Falling Uair's are fun. D-throw to d-smash also works.

I dunno Im not a Peach main, Im just saying what works for me..

As for Sheik's recovery, Like anyone just grab the ledge and force them onto the stage and **** the lag. Again just my personal experience. Turnips are also amazing

 

[Jethrotex]

Jeth I can 2 stock but Riddlebox me

Whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not get hasty here; we played one match...

Let's get in a couple friendlies next time, I know you can't attend the next tourney, but possibly the one after that.

 

[MacD]

high school's so dumb though...

yea well so are you

 

[ShroudedOne]

I don't enjoy Peach dittos as much as I used to, actually...comes from frustration of not knowing the MU that well, I guess. I need another TV at a tourney with all Peaches, like we had at Apex. =D

I still remember that TV on the second day... 5 Marths...1 Peach (me). Worst TV ever.

 

[Wake]

Oh that was so fun. We had another Peach TV without you. It was Vanz, Doll, thesage, DoH, and me. Our TV was awesome too though.

 

[john!]

you guys voluntarily played peach friendlies for a long period of time?

 

[Wake]

Peach dittos are fun. Someone who thinks Mexicans are from Italy would have no clue.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm baffled that Bing can beat any floaty who plays this game competitively with Peach tbh.

I've always wanted to replace Peach's Side B with Falcos.

Can u imagine stalling in the air with float, and Illusion spiking ppl with your recovery.. AS PEACH.

ahh yes. would be amazing.

..

I'd also settle for Jigglypuff''s or bowser's Side B.. Air grab from float is also pretty hot,

More than anything I want a normal double jump.

Stupid top platform.

 

[john!]

mexicans are from italy, if they are born in mexico and then move there. quit being racist bro

 

[ShroudedOne]

I'm baffled that Bing can beat any floaty who plays this game competitively with Peach tbh.


More than anything I want a normal double jump.

Stupid top platform.

This. **** her double jump. It's so stupid. There's NO point to have it be like that (besides doing double jump cancelling on platforms, but...ehhh...)