da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
truuf.
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Upstate New York Tournament Thread
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also, I dont know if you know this, but after your 50th post, the site wont let you post any more if you dont have an avatar.
BetaBahamut
Smash Journeyman
I knew you were trolling this whole ****ing time.
Snowmanthatknows
Smash Journeyman
Get out of that mindset. Don't be so serious about this game all the time. It'll **** you up. Remember to have fun with it, weather you win or lose or you plateau in your level of play. You'll eventually rise up again.
huMps
Smash Ace
Tuesday night smash-fest anyone?
Acton imo. Instead of being super serious about the game, be super serious but in a different way. Experiment with new characters, maybe you just need a break from falco. Learn advanced techniques with other characters it'll be a good break and at the same time you'll be learning and evolving as a player. Also just cause some one beat you doesnt mean hes PR worthy lol. tommy was good but i dont think id stack him on pr. Not just yet anyways. Unless he upsets alot of people at apex.
Dr. Grandpa
Smash Ace
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yea i remember when i was a noob back then when jesse was really really good. i mained mario and i got wrecked everytime i played people from arena51. i decided to play with other characters like metaknight and snake. needless to say i got better understanding of the game then donkey kong found me. +D
then the next tournament, i used dk and i had to play people like san, pikapika etc. i got to the grand final i think and i played pikapika. i beat him very very easily for some reason lol. jesse said he was surprised that some random like me beat pikapika.
then the next tournament, i used dk and i had to play people like san, pikapika etc. i got to the grand final i think and i played pikapika. i beat him very very easily for some reason lol. jesse said he was surprised that some random like me beat pikapika.
Acton
Smash Journeyman
It's kind of weird with tommygreenshirt because I don't know the sonic MU very well but I know he's made it to all the major events I made it to this season and he's going to apex which I wont be able to make. Again I don't know what his stats are so I can't really compare him in that way to other candidates but no offense to L-don I think it was, but he said he didn't want to face me with marth because he felt that the mu was bad for marth so he went mk, and yeah he won but it was close. With tommy I never really got anything off on him but again I don't know the mu. I wonder how he did at mlg lol.
So who do we have as candidates at this point?
Sharky
L-Don
BP?
Vibe?
SBBF? <-name change please -_-
Plus so many other decent players I dunno lol.
I dunno I find this discussion interesting, nice to see up and coming players even though they'll be taking my seat. Had a decent amount of new faces show up this season as well.
Yeah I was surprised that ak didn't make it to the tourney. =0 Or I'd put him on that list.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
I hope Apex isn't too big of a deal, considering I might not go .-.
I shoulda just beat James G, then me on the PR would be no second thought
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I shoulda just beat James G, then me on the PR would be no second thought
.You had your chance my man, now I'm getting some top quality Marth training.
Kinda funny how you and Beta are harder for me than players like Goggles, Sharky, and 13370, yet they can probably beat both of you consistently at this time. But then again, I do suck ballz against marth.
At least Goggles knows who to use on me now loll.
Kinda funny how you and Beta are harder for me than players like Goggles, Sharky, and 13370, yet they can probably beat both of you consistently at this time. But then again, I do suck ballz against marth.
At least Goggles knows who to use on me now loll.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
Lol, the Marth vs. Lucario MU is still 60/40 Marth, no matter how well you know it, I still can keep up with you pretty **** good. Though, I know you can still beat me, cause' you did. But don't think picking up MK will save you, cause just like I know you can beat me, I know I can beat you. Especially if you go some trash sub-main. And I'm not the one to ***** out and pick up a trash submain. I did for a minute, Falco, but I dropped him, and started learning the MK MU.
****. There's a lot of MU's I still need to learn. Snake, D3, IC's, Diddy, Oli, etc.
But i'm not gonna pick up a trash character like MK, or any other character, to get it done.
and Sharky beat me twice, but I know I can give him a **** good run for his money, now that I actually have an idea of what the MU was like. And 1337-0, Marth vs. Ness, nothing I can say there. Goggles, he'd prolly beat me, but I'm not just gonna let it be that easy.
Btw I'm just trollin'
Edit: Also, let me just say, Marth on wifi, and Marth offline, is a WHOLE nother' world of intensity.
My MK woudn't be a "trash sub main" if I put the time into him.There's nothing wrong with using a secondary bro. Some of the best players in our region have secondaries. In my case, I think a lot of players know if I had a little bit of help I would do better than I already am now. I got knocked out by a D3 and almost lost to Marth. I think if I put the time and practice into a character like MK, it can help fill in some gaps and compensate for some of my weaknesses.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
I was kinda joking, but TBH, if your only using a character for a few MU's, it's a trash sub-main. MY PERSONAL OPINION, but only because Marth is just too sexy not to Main independently.
Also, putting time into one character, means your taking time away from the other. Wouldn't you rather just be good at the Marth MU with Lucario, instead :/?
I guess i'm not going to be the scrub to call someone gay for subbing MK, but I do kinda question it.
All I know, is that if someone's picking up MK, I'm going to go find some good MK's to play.
I've already beaten Cura's, legitly, once
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VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
You act like you didn't just beat me at the last tourney with Lucario, and then I didn't beat your MK a ****load in friendlies.
Even if you started using him now, i'd most likely be able to stay on top of that MU.
Edit: What I'm trying to get at, is that if you pick MK up, i'll prolly be able to beat it much more consistantly than your Lucario, so you might as well stick with him. But I guess I can't tell the future, so go ahead and try.
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Define ****load. We played 2 friendlies following our match. I won 1 and you won 1. Then you left, lol.
And yeah I did win with Lucario, but I'm tired of playing the matchup. I know everything that is coming and I am still easily shutdown. MK will make it easier if I practice the matchup with him, and that's what I'm gonna do.
I don't know if you're trying to intimidate me or something. I can't really understand your mindset. You seem like some sort of Anti-MK guy or something. In the end, I don't really care. I'm gonna do what I can to win, and if that means using and understanding MK as a secondary, then so be it.
Define ****load. We played 2 friendlies following our match. I won 1 and you won 1. Then you left, lol.
And yeah I did win with Lucario, but I'm tired of playing the matchup. I know everything that is coming and I am still easily shutdown. MK will make it easier if I practice the matchup with him, and that's what I'm gonna do.
I don't know if you're trying to intimidate me or something. I can't really understand your mindset. You seem like some sort of Anti-MK guy or something. In the end, I don't really care. I'm gonna do what I can to win, and if that means using and understanding MK as a secondary, then so be it.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
my bad just realized Mako played me with his MK the same day, got them confused. but I only lost that one cause' I SD'd on FD
.and it's not so much that I'm anti-MK, i'm more pro-playthecharacteryoulikethemost.
I admit I am a bit wish-wash with the whole thing. I mean, I could care less who you main, but I don't like how your not being dedicated to Lucario~ Lol.
I'm pretty sure it'd be better to just learn the MU for Lucario, because you'd also be able to bring things you learn from that MU into other aspects of the game :/
I mean, just out of my experience, i've gotten more from toughing it out and learning the MU's than just maining a secondary.
Edit: @Cura; Because that will really help the Snake MU your not good at
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I can teach you Ike vs snake if you want @_@
dudutsai
Smash Lord
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
Well I like Samus the most. I have to be realistic to myself at times and say my character isn't viable in competitive play to a certain extent, and that my name isn't sanford.
I picked up Lucario because Samus wasn't working out for me.
I heard that Lee Martin guy uses MK in some matchups that he doesn't like with Lucario, and he is still looked up to. I think a combination of Meta and Lucario can help me go places. We'll see though.
I picked up Lucario because Samus wasn't working out for me.
I heard that Lee Martin guy uses MK in some matchups that he doesn't like with Lucario, and he is still looked up to. I think a combination of Meta and Lucario can help me go places. We'll see though.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
Well you and me seem to have different ideals on brawl, so I'll repect the fact that your decided to second MK :3.
BluePeachy100
Smash Champion
I've only been to one event in 8 months, I defs would not be considered at all.
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
@ JamesG, go for using MK. Nobody should be ashamed or afraid of picking MK if they don't feel comfortable in a matchup.
Although... Before I met L-Don, Marth was my most frustrating matchup. L-Don and I started playing together and afterwards he chose to main Marth. I got frustrated against Marth before and started playing as Snake, then tried some MK, and eventually I went back to Wario for the matchup because I actually started to like the matchup and it was hella easier for me. If it wasn't for L-Don maining Marth, I would've probably lost to Beta. Now Marth is one of my best matchups. :D
Sometimes exp. matters much more than the character you use.
Although... Before I met L-Don, Marth was my most frustrating matchup. L-Don and I started playing together and afterwards he chose to main Marth. I got frustrated against Marth before and started playing as Snake, then tried some MK, and eventually I went back to Wario for the matchup because I actually started to like the matchup and it was hella easier for me. If it wasn't for L-Don maining Marth, I would've probably lost to Beta. Now Marth is one of my best matchups. :D
Sometimes exp. matters much more than the character you use.
BluePeachy100
Smash Champion
I saw JamesG use Mk, and I wnated to give him some tips so bad, but he walked away. It's like, if I'm not screaming at the top of my lungs people don't hear me. ._.
Haha my bad dude, my bad. Sometimes I'm in the zone and I don't hear people anyways.
I don't really talk to anybody at tourneys anyways and am bored a lot, so feel free to walk up to me and ask me for friendlies.
I'm open for criticism, but been playing around with Meta Knight and been trying to develop a new playstyle that doesn't run into bad positions that I put myself in at SS3 while playing friendlies. I'm not a rising Meta Knight main or anything. Lucario ftw, but I do need think he can help me in areas I struggle in.
And Vibe I tried IMing you on AIM for wifi friendlies, but you never respond. I figured you were too cool for me so I signed off.
@PieDisliker, you're bcb right? I want to say to myself I can take Marth but it is a very tough matchup for me due to a combination of my playstyle and character. Lucario is already at a huge disadvantage in general, and when you have a player like me who lives and thrives off of aerial techniques, it is like I am helpless and my entire game is shut down. To beat Marth more comfortably, I need to find better defensive tactics as well as better ground game, something that would take significantly more work than just picking up Meta Knight. Even if I put a lot of dedication into the Lucario vs Marth Matchup, I still see myself struggling against the character in the long run just because of Lucario's natural disadvantages. I want to be able to face a high level Marth player and not having to worry about coming in at a disadvantage. I also want to win matches comfortably against the character without being so frustrated and nervous. This is where I think that Meta Knight will help a lot.
I don't really talk to anybody at tourneys anyways and am bored a lot, so feel free to walk up to me and ask me for friendlies.
I'm open for criticism, but been playing around with Meta Knight and been trying to develop a new playstyle that doesn't run into bad positions that I put myself in at SS3 while playing friendlies. I'm not a rising Meta Knight main or anything. Lucario ftw, but I do need think he can help me in areas I struggle in.
And Vibe I tried IMing you on AIM for wifi friendlies, but you never respond. I figured you were too cool for me so I signed off.
@PieDisliker, you're bcb right? I want to say to myself I can take Marth but it is a very tough matchup for me due to a combination of my playstyle and character. Lucario is already at a huge disadvantage in general, and when you have a player like me who lives and thrives off of aerial techniques, it is like I am helpless and my entire game is shut down. To beat Marth more comfortably, I need to find better defensive tactics as well as better ground game, something that would take significantly more work than just picking up Meta Knight. Even if I put a lot of dedication into the Lucario vs Marth Matchup, I still see myself struggling against the character in the long run just because of Lucario's natural disadvantages. I want to be able to face a high level Marth player and not having to worry about coming in at a disadvantage. I also want to win matches comfortably against the character without being so frustrated and nervous. This is where I think that Meta Knight will help a lot.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
word. Except 2 months for me
and iirc I got fourth/fifth and lost to Sharky at Cura's Smashfest.x_x Sorry.
People tend to IM me while i'm in the shower xD.
Plus sometimes I'm not in the mood for johning over wifi, but I won't ignore you when i'm not.
Edit: @MarthMU: The only problem EVERYONE seems to have, is that they run into Fair walls. Like seriously, get patient. Beta walls Fairs like crazy, and it's pretty easy to get through. Like Wario, he can just come from above. Of course you need to be quick about it, and you can't just keep doing it. And Lucario can easily camp Marth out, until he mis-spaces, in which you go in for a fair to start your combos.
Who cares about wifi dude, I tried it with Matt the first time today. It was actually worse than I thought but I'm not going on there to try to prove something. I'm just trying to help myself as a player.
I don't even care if I win, lose, whatever. If it gets in your head that much I'll jump off the ledge every time to end the match with your victory if things are looking like they are in my favor.. Or you win anyways, so you'll always be happy.
I don't even care if I win, lose, whatever. If it gets in your head that much I'll jump off the ledge every time to end the match with your victory if things are looking like they are in my favor.. Or you win anyways, so you'll always be happy.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
Lol. I don't really dislike wifi cause' I lose, I dislike it cause' it's just not the same game. Lol.
I'll be willing to do some games at like 9ish, if your on AIM.
Edit: NVM Imma be at a friends house. Maybe later tonight.
PieDisliker
Smash Lord
Yeah, I'm bcb.
Playing against Marth needs to be played like how Vibe mentioned. It's all about patience, coming in from on top or even behind, and camped. You NEED to be defensive against Marth always. You've also got a projectile, and you could make great use of it against Marth. I just have a feeling you're gonna struggle as MK as well. You'll probably run into that particular Marth who's REALLY good at the MK matchup, and you may end up finding Lucario being a better option. I'm actually a bit surprised it's the Marth matchup, and not the D3/Snake/Meta matchup. Lucario definately has the ability to beat Marth, and I have felt being shut down as Wario before. That's a pain in matchups, but you gotta get over it sometime. Currently I feel that way against Snake. I HAAAAAAATE that matchup.
Playing against Marth needs to be played like how Vibe mentioned. It's all about patience, coming in from on top or even behind, and camped. You NEED to be defensive against Marth always. You've also got a projectile, and you could make great use of it against Marth. I just have a feeling you're gonna struggle as MK as well. You'll probably run into that particular Marth who's REALLY good at the MK matchup, and you may end up finding Lucario being a better option. I'm actually a bit surprised it's the Marth matchup, and not the D3/Snake/Meta matchup. Lucario definately has the ability to beat Marth, and I have felt being shut down as Wario before. That's a pain in matchups, but you gotta get over it sometime. Currently I feel that way against Snake. I HAAAAAAATE that matchup.
Lucario doesn't do too bad against snake imo. The entire matchup itself is about proper spacing.
And Snake can't shut down Lucarios aerial game. D3 is hard but hes combo'd so easily and can be and cant handle lucarios priority and range at times. Another match where spacing is key since Lucario is really easy to grab lol.
As far as Marth goes, its clearly Lucario's worst matchup probably right along with Meta Knight. You can't really aura camp Marth because hes too fast, has too much range, and can easily approach and pressure Lucario. He outprioritizes Lucario in nearly every aspect. Even a simple fair will nullify a fully charged aura sphere. You can not jab to grab him because he will just Up B you before you get the grab and you can't fair===>nair him a lot of times bc he can sneak out his fair in time. He essentially can't be comboed at all and can punish most of lucarios aerial attacks out of shield. It can be a very hit exchangy battle at times in the air, so a Lucario at low% with no aura boost will get destroyed trading 3% fairs for like 10-15% damage of Marths aerials. Tipper attacks can kill Lucario quite fast preventing you from capitalizing on an aura boost. I'm not good at handling pressure, so I need a character that can pressure Marth. Defense can only go so far at times. A marth that is quick to react can grab you or wear down your shield etc. and punish accordingly.
I haven't really found a useful tactic against Marth yet. If they are fair happy I can roll behind them and maybe fsmash or grab or something. Good spacing in front of Marth usually doesn't work because even if he misses his first forward air, he can simply throw out a second and hit lucario before the fsmash comes out if he's in the proper position. Only way to utilize fsmash is to just be out of range of fsmash and retalliate with your own fsmash which is very difficult and precise spacing. It is also risky because if you're a fraction off on the spacing, you have a high chance of getting tipped. Like Matt said I think getting close to Marth is what shuts him down, something that can really only be achieved by utilizing Lucarios roll. Perhaps I will look into this matchup more but I think I can be a good MK if I put my heart to it.
In the end, I think I'm absolutely clueless in regards to handling this matchup and think that MK handles Marth much easier. I am confident enough that I can beat high level Marth players if I put the necessary amount of time and practice into MK.
Edit: And Vibe I don't see how Lucario can camp Marth given the above reasons I stated. Marth applies way too much pressure.
And Snake can't shut down Lucarios aerial game. D3 is hard but hes combo'd so easily and can be and cant handle lucarios priority and range at times. Another match where spacing is key since Lucario is really easy to grab lol.
As far as Marth goes, its clearly Lucario's worst matchup probably right along with Meta Knight. You can't really aura camp Marth because hes too fast, has too much range, and can easily approach and pressure Lucario. He outprioritizes Lucario in nearly every aspect. Even a simple fair will nullify a fully charged aura sphere. You can not jab to grab him because he will just Up B you before you get the grab and you can't fair===>nair him a lot of times bc he can sneak out his fair in time. He essentially can't be comboed at all and can punish most of lucarios aerial attacks out of shield. It can be a very hit exchangy battle at times in the air, so a Lucario at low% with no aura boost will get destroyed trading 3% fairs for like 10-15% damage of Marths aerials. Tipper attacks can kill Lucario quite fast preventing you from capitalizing on an aura boost. I'm not good at handling pressure, so I need a character that can pressure Marth. Defense can only go so far at times. A marth that is quick to react can grab you or wear down your shield etc. and punish accordingly.
I haven't really found a useful tactic against Marth yet. If they are fair happy I can roll behind them and maybe fsmash or grab or something. Good spacing in front of Marth usually doesn't work because even if he misses his first forward air, he can simply throw out a second and hit lucario before the fsmash comes out if he's in the proper position. Only way to utilize fsmash is to just be out of range of fsmash and retalliate with your own fsmash which is very difficult and precise spacing. It is also risky because if you're a fraction off on the spacing, you have a high chance of getting tipped. Like Matt said I think getting close to Marth is what shuts him down, something that can really only be achieved by utilizing Lucarios roll. Perhaps I will look into this matchup more but I think I can be a good MK if I put my heart to it.
In the end, I think I'm absolutely clueless in regards to handling this matchup and think that MK handles Marth much easier. I am confident enough that I can beat high level Marth players if I put the necessary amount of time and practice into MK.
Edit: And Vibe I don't see how Lucario can camp Marth given the above reasons I stated. Marth applies way too much pressure.
BluePeachy100
Smash Champion
All I've had was wi-fi, that's how I got this good. ._.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
Haha, it's funny because good MKs have been playing defensively against Marth! Haha.
And Lol. Fair can outprioritize Aura Sphere, but no good Marth would do that. Too Risky. I'd rather perfect shield it. He can get through it somewhat easily, but to say you can't camp a Marth out with it is silly.
All you have to do is be patient, wait for a spacing failure, which will happen, because no Marth is perfect, and get your damage it. You can't just run into his whiffed attacks.
I'm not saying it's that easy, but there are moments in which you can easy get damage, you just have to know when they are, and what to execute in that moment. Simple MU Exp.
I admit, Wario vs. Marth is much easier than Lucario vs. Marth.
But I've been beaten by so many good Lucarios, there's no reason to go MK :/.
And Lol. Fair can outprioritize Aura Sphere, but no good Marth would do that. Too Risky. I'd rather perfect shield it. He can get through it somewhat easily, but to say you can't camp a Marth out with it is silly.
All you have to do is be patient, wait for a spacing failure, which will happen, because no Marth is perfect, and get your damage it. You can't just run into his whiffed attacks.
I'm not saying it's that easy, but there are moments in which you can easy get damage, you just have to know when they are, and what to execute in that moment. Simple MU Exp.
I admit, Wario vs. Marth is much easier than Lucario vs. Marth.
But I've been beaten by so many good Lucarios, there's no reason to go MK :/.
VibeSlyph
Smash Ace
PR Predictions:
San
Cura
Pikapika!
[Dr. G, if he's even going to be on]
James G
Goggles
Snakeee
13370
[any possible player here. OR]
Vibe/Sharky
Vibe/Sharky
[Any possible player here as well.]
Opinions/Edits?
San
Cura
Pikapika!
[Dr. G, if he's even going to be on]
James G
Goggles
Snakeee
13370
[any possible player here. OR]
Vibe/Sharky
Vibe/Sharky
[Any possible player here as well.]
Opinions/Edits?
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
1. marth vs lucario is a lot like marth vs any other character, you wait for the marth to SH fair, you shield it, and you oos **** him with your fastest aerial.
2. speaking of samus, i think im going to be taking money matches with my PT and ZSS. squirt and zam were doing WORK yesterday at jesses apt.
3. I might have to use them the next time I play jg.
4. Im probably going to be asked to be taken off of the next PR.
5. lol, I forgot that Im on the panel... Im going to be taking myself off of the next PR
2. speaking of samus, i think im going to be taking money matches with my PT and ZSS. squirt and zam were doing WORK yesterday at jesses apt.
3. I might have to use them the next time I play jg.
4. Im probably going to be asked to be taken off of the next PR.
5. lol, I forgot that Im on the panel... Im going to be taking myself off of the next PR
1. Don't ever use PT on me. You will lose. I'm not sure how I will do against the ZSS.
2. Use Sonic?
3. Stop asking to be taken off the PR. I think you just don't wanna see me above you for a couple of months
Vibe that sounds about right. I'm not sure what sort of fate is in store for snakeee and dr. g.....and neil probably should be above Matt imo for placing a lot better at a very important tourney, but I'm sure there is a lot that I'm missing that needs to be factored in. Perhaps Neil could be above San next PR as well since he beat him at SS3. I hope to see players like Jesse and XXX on future power rankings though, as I know they are fully capable of being on it.
Oh yeah, Goggles, I was never required to change my avi, so Idk where you got that from.
2. Use Sonic?
3. Stop asking to be taken off the PR. I think you just don't wanna see me above you for a couple of months
Vibe that sounds about right. I'm not sure what sort of fate is in store for snakeee and dr. g.....and neil probably should be above Matt imo for placing a lot better at a very important tourney, but I'm sure there is a lot that I'm missing that needs to be factored in. Perhaps Neil could be above San next PR as well since he beat him at SS3. I hope to see players like Jesse and XXX on future power rankings though, as I know they are fully capable of being on it.
Oh yeah, Goggles, I was never required to change my avi, so Idk where you got that from.