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[osby]

I'd even prefer other original characters in that game (e.g. Smithy) and I'm a little surprised that they don't get as much attention.

Mallow is my favorite character in SMRPG, so I get the sentiment.

 

[Deleted member]

It also represents Waluigi's loser status. That's what makes Waluigi Waluigi.

No what makes Waluigi Waluigi is that hes a flamboyant ***hole with zany powers. Not only has smash included villians into the game but also run of the mill mook.

 

[Deleted member]

Mallow is my favorite character in SMRPG, so I get the sentiment.

Mallow rocks, yeah.

 

[osby]

I seriously don't get why some people act like "I'd cut multiple characters I don't like to add a character I like" is such a hot take.

 

[Oddball]

Mallow is my favorite character in SMRPG, so I get the sentiment.

Mallow is a far more interesting character than Geno in design and personality, plus he's got much more move potential than Geno.

Mallow controlls the weather, fights with a staff and symbols, and can seperate the top half of his body from the second. That's far more unique than just a guy that shoots things out of his hand.

 

[OnyanRings]

No what makes Waluigi Waluigi is that hes a flamboyant ***hole with zany powers. Not only has smash included villians into the game but also run of the mill mook.

A flamboyant loser.

 

[Perkilator]

The fact that the AI can recognize the spot where a Motion Sensor Bomb is has to be some of the most irritating cow deposit I’ve ever seen in a video game.

 

[Deleted member]

A flamboyant loser.

Bowser is a bigger loser than Waluigi.

Waluigi's biggest L is that hes a hated athlete whos overshadowed by his rival.

Bowser on the other hand has a obnoxious son, an army of imbeciles, his love interest despises him, and hes constantly getting beat up for his sad attempts at kidnapping her by his rival.

Some L's weigh heavier than others lmao

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Waluigi appears in these games?

No.
His first game was Mario Tennis.

 

[Lenidem]

No.
His first game was Mario Tennis.

Unfortunately he still hasnt appeared in a Wario Land game. Fortunately he hasnt appeared in a "Wario"ware game.

Warioware was a ****ing mistake

That's what I thought, thanks. So outside of Smash, he's never been ''the guy who's such a looser that he's not even playable''. Except in one Mario Kart...

 

[Oddball]

Bowser is a bigger loser than Waluigi.

Waluigi's biggest L is that hes a hated athlete whos overshadowed by his rival.

Bowser on the other hand has a obnoxious son, an army of imbeciles, his love interest despises him, and hes constantly getting beat up for his sad attempts at kidnapping her by his rival.

Some L's weigh heavier than others lmao

Bowser has a son that idolizes him, an army of loyal servants, multiple castles, fortunes, and a land that he rules over.

The fact that Peach despises him is a problem he belives he can fix and Mario beating him up is just a minor setback.
All losers wish they could be that lucky.

 

[Deleted member]

I don’t need Waluigi in Smash to live, but I admit that sometimes it feels weird to see Ultimate’s roster featuring each one of the brothers from the Mario series playable but with Waluigi missing.

While it would be cool to see him sharing roster with the Mario characters already added to the roster, I honestly don’t mind him as an assist trophy at the moment.

 

[Deleted member]

Bowser has a son that idolizes him, an army of loyal servants, multiple castles, fortunes, and a land that he rules over.

The son idiolizes a loser, his servents are extemely incompetent, and the only thing he uses these latter 3 things for is kidnapping Peach and forcing her to marry her, oppress innocent nations, and keeping Mario at bay.

The fact that Peach despises him is a problem he belives he can fix and Mario beating him up is just a minor setback.

That doesnt make him any less of a power hungry loser and these "minor setbacks" are consant beatdowns that have repeated itself for over 30 years.

Not too mention Bowser is an irresponsible and unintentional abusive father. If he can't beat his arch nemesis, what gives him the bright idea to let his underage son battle him?

 

[Deleted member]

Bowser made a Goomba youtuber get trapped between two pipes for his whole life slowly falling into madness by playing portable consoles that Mario accidentally drops there from time to time.

Could that count as worker abuse?

 

[Deleted member]

Bowser made a Goomba youtuber get trapped between two pipes for his whole life slowly falling into madness by playing portable consoles that Mario accidentally drops there from time to time.

Could that count as worker abuse?

A fan idea isnt something to hold against Bowser. What should be held against him is letting his underage son battle his arch nemesis who he himself cant beat.

 

[Deleted member]

A fan idea isnt something to hold against Bowser. What should be held against him is letting his underage son battle his arch nemesis who he himself cant beat.

That could be abuse too, yeah.

 

[UserKev]

Bowser is both a winner and a loser depending on how much you can divide between his success and failures. Bowser could easily become more of a winner, steps ahead of Mario if he just moved on from Peach. Trust me, dudes. You'd all miss (Classic) Bowser if he became smarter.

 

[Oddball]

The son idiolizes a loser, his servents are extemely incompetent, and the only thing he uses these latter 3 things for is kidnapping Peach and forcing her to marry her, oppress innocent nations, and keeping Mario at bay.

My point still stands and it's far more than Waluigi, or for that matter most videogame villains, have going for them.

You first point is basically just you repeating "he's a loser because he's a loser." His son loves him. He loves his son. Major point in his favor.

His servants are incompetent? ... Some of them. But he's got an army of them. He can afford to have a bunch of losers because they're easily replacable. It's more of a quantity of quality thing with him.

As for him only using multiple castles, fortunes, and his kindom in geral to only capture Peach, oppress other nations, and keep Mario at bay ... that's exactly what he WANTS to use them for. If he's using what he has in exactly the way he wants to use it, how does that make him a loser?

You're reaching here, man. I mean, if you said he was a bug, dumb idiot, I'd agree with that. He is. However he's got a lot going for him.

 

[Xelrog]

I like both Bowser and Waluigi.

I also think Geno is weirdly overhyped, but then, I didn't like Mario RPG. There was too much Square in it. Loved Paper Mario, though.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

That's what I thought, thanks. So outside of Smash, he's never been ''the guy who's such a looser that he's not even playable''. Except in one Mario Kart...

I would say he's more the comic relief of Mario games than just a loser. His lanky design and high pitched voice seem to imply that they want him to be funny in a similar way to how Luigi is awkward.

 

[Deleted member]

You're reaching here, man.

You first point is basically just you repeating "he's a loser because he's a loser." His son loves him. He loves his son. Major point in his favor.

Nah youre projecting. I've clearly backed up why theyre both losers, you willfully ignored that just to have something to say. As if them loving eachother erases their shortcomings.

Bowser on the other hand has a obnoxious son, an army of imbeciles, his love interest despises him, and hes constantly getting beat up for his sad attempts at kidnapping her by his rival.

Not too mention Bowser is an irresponsible and unintentional abusive father. If he can't beat his arch nemesis, what gives him the bright idea to let his underage son battle him?

Spoiler

His servants are incompetent? ... Some of them. But he's got an army of them. He can afford to have a bunch of losers because they're easily replacable. It's more of a quantity of quality thing with him.

How is that supposed to change the fact that these idiots cant get the job done? Or how the cause more harm to Bowser's image than good? Having incompetent losers for minions isnt a good look for a king.

As for him only using multiple castles, fortunes, and his kindom in geral to only capture Peach, oppress other nations, and keep Mario at bay ... that's exactly what he WANTS to use them for. If he's using what he has in exactly the way he wants to use it, how does that make him a loser?

Because it all constantly fails in the face of Mario. What part of "failing miserably for over 30 years" dont you understand?
All of these riches, minions, castles all thwarted by a plumber. His sad attempts at marrying Peach thwarted by Mario, driving her further away from him and closer to his arch enemy. Just beacuse he has those things doesnt automatically make him a winnner. Just because hes a villian doesnt automatically make him a winner. What reading im from you is "how losing makes you a loser" lmao.

If you still want to continue this pointless argument pm me.

 

[Oddball]

If you still want to continue this pointless argument pm me.

No Thanks. I try to avoid arguing with people that don't have a point.

 

[Deleted member]

No Thanks. I try to avoid arguing with people that don't have a point.

And the projections continue. You havent backed any claim of yours up nor debunked any of mine. Instead you resort to insults and run away with your tail between your legs. Classy.

 

[Oddball]

And the projections continue. You havent backed any claim of yours up nor debunked any of mine. Instead you resort to insults and run away with your tail between your legs. Classy.

I have, you refused to listen to them, and you were the one leaving the conversation.

But really, is this is the way you're going to behave in a conversation, I have no more desire to talk with you. If you want to treat that as you winning the debate, or me slinking away with my tail between my legs, feel free.

 

[YoshiandToad]

The Waluigi roleplaying aside, my unpopular opinion is there aren't enough Mario characters as a whole.

Yeah, we got a whole bunch of them but very few series have such a huge cast of beloved and colourful characters that are instantly recognisable to millions and millions of people.
Put Waluigi in. Put Captain Toad in. Put Toadette in. Put Paper Mario in. Heck; put Pauline, Nabbit, E.Gadd, King Boo, Fawful and yeah, Geno and Mallow in. Heck, I wouldn't be sad if we got a few more iconic minions in such as Koopa Troopa, Boo or Goomba...although preferably after the likes of Toad and Waluigi at the very least make it, thank you.

No Baby or metal versions though. That's a step too far Nintendo. I'm watching you with your Dr. inclusions too...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If a user is flaming or anything like that, just report it. Let the moderation handle it. You can simply not reply at that point. Flinging accusations at users, true or not, still goes against the rules of this forum.

Also, drop the Bowser debate since it won't stay civil.

 

[Deleted member]

The Waluigi roleplaying aside

Oh, the fan of the diaper wearing coward wants to throw shots now, huh? Thats extremely rich coming from the guy who literally did the same thing. For that matter how the hell did you process me talking about Bowser's shortcomings to "roleplaying"?

 

[Xelrog]

The Waluigi roleplaying aside, my unpopular opinion is there aren't enough Mario characters as a whole.

Yeah, we got a whole bunch of them but very few series have such a huge cast of beloved and colourful characters that are instantly recognisable to millions and millions of people.
Put Waluigi in. Put Captain Toad in. Put Toadette in. Put Paper Mario in. Heck; put Pauline, Nabbit, E.Gadd, King Boo, Fawful and yeah, Geno and Mallow in. Heck, I wouldn't be sad if we got a few more iconic minions in such as Koopa Troopa, Boo or Goomba...although preferably after the likes of Toad and Waluigi at the very least make it, thank you.

No Baby or metal versions though. That's a step too far Nintendo. I'm watching you with your Dr. inclusions too...

I wouldn't mind Waluigi, Toad/Toadette, Birdo, or maaaaybe Paper Mario. The rest I don't think warrant it. I'm hesitant about Paper Mario because I just know they would screw him up.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I wouldn't mind Waluigi, Toad/Toadette, Birdo, or maaaaybe Paper Mario. The rest I don't think warrant it. I'm hesitant about Paper Mario because I just know they would screw him up.

I'll admit I have some concerns about Paper Mario which kills excitement for him compared to the more traditional Mario cast.
There's no reason to think he should play like Mario/Luigi/Doc but I also can see them not taking full advantage of his paper abilities.

If he does get in, I'm more excited for a theatre based stage than the character.

 

[Opossum]

I wouldn't mind Waluigi, Toad/Toadette, Birdo, or maaaaybe Paper Mario. The rest I don't think warrant it. I'm hesitant about Paper Mario because I just know they would screw him up.

I won't lie, I'd love to see E. Gadd. He was always a fun character, and the mad scientist archetype could be beat to see in Smash.

At this point it's just a shame he hasn't even been in Mario Kart yet...

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

My most wanted 1st party character is actually Slippy with Peppy as a potential echo (since they both share a similar body type and skillset.) Having the full star fox team is probably gratuitous, especially since we already have Wolf, but I’d love to have these guys since they’re such colorful characters.

I imagine them as a heavier, trapper version of the Spacie. They could be slower but still have a high jump height (because they’re a frog and a rabbit), and rely more on tech, such as summoning the sentry gun from Star Fox guard or maybe their recovery could be the “barrel roll” which doesn’t do damage like Fire Fox but instead has a reflector quality for its duration.

A lot of people would see them as joke characters, but they’re still Nintendo icons in my eyes and think they would be fun to play as.

 

[Lenidem]

I won't lie, I'd love to see E. Gadd. He was always a fun character, and the mad scientist archetype could be beat to see in Smash.

At this point it's just a shame he hasn't even been in Mario Kart yet...

Yes, E. Gadd! Should have been in Mario Kart instead of Skelerex (the dead Koopa), and would make a good Smasher.

 

[StormC]

The Mario character I would be the most excited about is probably King Boo. Waluigi to me is like "if it happens, great, if not, I won't lose sleep over it." But Boos are my favorite Mario enemy and I feel like the Luigi's Mansion series is established enough at this point that King Boo merits at least consideration.

I don't think Mario needs an overload of characters either. It's fine where it is. I think any series getting more than two unique newcomers at a time is excessive; not every character under the sun that's recognizable needs to be in Smash. Otherwise half of the cast would be Mario. I'm fine with it getting a newcomer or two every game, but there's no need for things besides that.

My Mario hierarchy would probably be like...

1. King Boo
2. Waluigi
3. Geno/Mallow
4. Captain Toad
5. Paper Mario
6. Fawful
7. The rest

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Smash will never be at its best until all of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts are fighters. They would add so much flashiness and personality to them game, just look at how intricately crafted Joker's moveset is. Persona is such an elaborately designed game series that I'm genuinely thinking of getting a PS5 just to play them.

 

[Idon]

Smash will never be at its best until all of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts are fighters. They would add so much flashiness and personality to them game, just look at how intricately crafted Joker's moveset is. Persona is such an elaborately designed game series that I'm genuinely thinking of getting a PS5 just to play them.

8 fighters from one game in a decades long franchise?

 

[Xelrog]

Smash will never be at its best until all of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts are fighters. They would add so much flashiness and personality to them game, just look at how intricately crafted Joker's moveset is. Persona is such an elaborately designed game series that I'm genuinely thinking of getting a PS5 just to play them.

Flashiness? Boy, F-Zero got here first.

 

[Opossum]

Smash will never be at its best until all of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts are fighters. They would add so much flashiness and personality to them game, just look at how intricately crafted Joker's moveset is. Persona is such an elaborately designed game series that I'm genuinely thinking of getting a PS5 just to play them.

...Didn't you also say Awakening shouldn't have three characters?

 

[Gyrom8]

Would love Paper Mario as a fighter - there's loads they could do with his moveset and a lot of remixes to add

Never really got the hype around Geno - I'll admit I never played his game and I still agree he looks cool, but not sure why a one-off character got such a following among the Smash speculation community. Not to rag on one offs, as my most wanted also falls into that category (sort of), but I wouldn't expect most of them to be treated the same as main protagonists or recurring villains when it comes to speculation

 

[Mogisthelioma]

...Didn't you also say Awakening shouldn't have three characters?

That was a while ago. My opinion has changed.
I've also stated before that I feel like the best "hypothetical" Smash would have as many characters as possible. I should have mentioned that since that was the point my post was based on. "If Smash were to ever have as many characters as possible, that should include the Phantom Thieves of Hearts."

 

[Xelrog]

Would love Paper Mario as a fighter - there's loads they could do with his moveset and a lot of remixes to add

There's lots they COULD do, but this is Nintendo. He'll have a whole moveset based on nothing but Sticker Star and maybe a TTYD taunt.