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Duck Hunt is definitely a character with pretty minimal source material. The only move of his I really have an issue with is the down special. Spawning in other characters to attack, namely ones from other games, always feels tacky to me.
Personally I'm okay with it in this case because Duck Hunt is supposed to be a personified representation of the NES Zapper as a whole, so having a Wild Gunman move makes sense to me. Honestly I just wish the move was better.

As a fun fact, the only Nintendo-made Zapper game that isn't part of Duck Hunt's moveset is Gumshoe, which was a US only release (I don't think it even released in Europe).
 

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As cool as the DLC for this game has been, I honestly hope Nintendo and Sakurai decide to leave it at the Fighter Pass (along with whatever Mii Costumes and modes we end up getting alongside it, of course) as far as DLC support. Additional content's cool and all, but Ultimate's a pretty complete and satisfying game as-is, and I'd like to eventually step away from Smash and play other games rather than be eternally strung along with the promise of "BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!" Besides, I think we can all agree at this point that Sakurai deserves a break, at least from working on Smash games specifically. Let the man make something else!
 
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Why do the people who think we might be getting echo fighters as DLC also think we would get them for free? I can understand selling them at a discount or free for only a limited amount of time, but free forever??? There's alot wrong with that train of thought...
 

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Wario could've had Dracula as the boss of his Classic Mode route, seeing as Wario constantly eats one of the many things Drac hates: garlic.
I never realized that the game was missing this until now, and now that I do, I believe that it's one of the biggest missed opportunity in the entire game.
 

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I don't like Wii Fit Trainer.
Piranha Plant works way better as a joke character in a crossover videogame fighter, since you know, he's actually a character just like all the others, with a moveset filled to the brim with references to his original appearances and everything. It's just that instead of a superstar or a menacing villain, it's a random Mario enemy, and even one of the most absurd ones. I mean, a potted plant?? And then you see it beat up Ridley, Ganondorf and Mario himself and, yep, that's a joke character. Mr. Game & Watch and R.O.B. more or less fall into the same cateogry.

The Wii Fit Trainer meanwhile just does yoga poses. That's it. That's one joke repeated 20 times (or how many moves a Smash moveset has, too lazy to count now).
She's also so generic and so detached from everything that she could very well may not have come from any game, but just be a generic real-world yoga instructor somehow translated into Smash. You could conjure up a moveset of that kind even for a football player, or for a swimmer, or even for a guitarist or for a business manager (ahahah, see? he throws paperwork and money at you!) or basically anything else.
Not a fan at all. Back during Smash 4 I thought she was a wasted spot. now I've kinda eased up on her but I still think that almost anyone else would have been a better choice.
 
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Here are some:

I'm not a fan of the buffer system in this game. Far too often I find myself inputting things I didn't mean to compared to other smash games. Also air dodge into SD is the worst.

I dislike that Team Attack is turned off by default in rulesets. I'm not sure if that's why most doubles arenas I find online have it turned off but I'm assuming it at least contributes to it, and I like playing with it on. Because of this I usually have to make my own arena and sometimes doubles arenas never take off to have 4 people.

I think updates should massively shake up the metagame, strongly elevating up bottom tier characters and possibly (minimally) nerfing top tier characters to keep the metagame fresh and exciting.

I think Yoshi's Story should not be legal, even counterpick, because it's essentially a battlefield clone. If I want to ban battlefield in competitive I pretty much have to waste my other ban on yoshi's story so I can't ban a different disadvantageous stage.

Speaking of stages, I hate Pokemon Stadium 2 being legal and not Pokemon Stadium 1 in most rulesets. PS2 is big and battles there always become campier than I'd like.

Hmmm that's all I can think of for now.
 

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People really overdramatize how much the third parties are taking over Smash. Yes, there's a lot of them. But it's just doing the same thing DLC did last time, focus on third parties. One should have at least been expecting this outcome on some level. Base game has always been conservative with third party additions and I expect the next Smash game to be similar, but whether we like it or not Nintendo has decided guest characters make the most exciting DLC and there's not much we can do about it now other than bellyache and hope for the minute chance of a second season that's all first party (which I would give a less than 5% chance of coming to pass).

And we're still getting fan favorite characters among the first parties, while some might have missed the cut that's just how it goes, Sakurai is clearly trying to address the demand this time, he can't reasonably add every character people want, he's going to have his own creative choices and has no obligation to just go down the ballot and add every top 10-20 character. Some fans act like these characters are given out like candy, but each one takes hundreds and thousands of manhours and millions of dollars to make, he's not going to be able to do it all.
 
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People really overdramatize how much the third parties are taking over Smash. Yes, there's a lot of them. But it's just doing the same thing DLC did last time, focus on third parties. One should have at least been expecting this outcome on some level. Base game has always been conservative with third party additions and I expect the next Smash game to be similar, but whether we like it or not Nintendo has decided guest characters make the most exciting DLC and there's not much we can do about it now other than bellyache and hope for the minute chance of a second season that's all first party (which I would give a less than 5% chance of coming to pass).

And we're still getting fan favorite characters among the first parties, while some might have missed the cut that's just how it goes, Sakurai is clearly trying to address the demand this time, he can't reasonably add every character people want, he's going to have his own creative choices and has no obligation to just go down the ballot and add every top 10-20 character. Some fans act like these characters are given out like candy, but each one takes hundreds and thousands of manhours and millions of dollars to make, he's not going to be able to do it all.
He should have spent these ''hundreds and thousands of manhours and millions of dollars'' for something else than the Plant. :p
 

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I’m 100% fine with 3rd Parties only for this pass.

Nintendo characters can always get their chance for a second one or Smash 6.
 

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I feel like Gamefreak doesn't deserve to have their (honestly impressive in a way) laziness and incompetence rewarded with a free advertisement every single Smash game.

I feel the same way with a Bethesda character. Like I can acknowledge the Dragonborn being a modern "icon" but I'd be a little more welcoming if Bethesda would pull their heads out of their asses and get a game engine that doesn't need a hammer and chisel to write code in.
 

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He should have spent these ''hundreds and thousands of manhours and millions of dollars'' for something else than the Plant. :p
Is this meant to be some sort of “gotcha?” Piranha Plant isn’t the reason we don’t have Isaac or Geno or what have you.
 

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Is this meant to be some sort of “gotcha?” Piranha Plant isn’t the reason we don’t have Isaac or Geno or what have you.
''Gotcha''? I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean. English is not my first language.
Someone’s salty still 6 months later...
Ah, ''salty'', the magical word to discredit someone who doesn't like the Plant... From the beginning I've had my reasons to dislike it's inclusion. Nothing has changed since.
 
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I think Link should have kept the Gale Boomerang with his BoTW incarnation it would have matched his new moveset to be honest.
 

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Piranha Plant is probably still so noticeably hated on because Waluigi isn't in. It seem to will take longer for most people to realize Piranha Plant really merited its inclusion.

It had a surprising amount of resources to pull from with it already being a classic enemy. Piranha Plant completes a quota and the ShyGuy is the only other special priority enemy I can see having the same merit, which is totally underrated.
 

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''Gotcha''? I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean. English is not my first language.
Basically I was asking "are you trying to point out a seemingly obvious flaw in my statement?" Because I think Sakurai clearly values having a "surprise character" as he's had one in every game since Melee. The reality is he was always going to include that type of character and it would probably have never been a character the core Smash fanbase actively hoped to see.
 

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Walugi seems kind of dump to make a character when you think about it. What moves could you possibly give him to make him unique?
 

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As a representative of the mooks you find in each and every mainline game, Piranha Plant is 100 times more integral to the Mario franchise than someone like Waluigi and even Daisy.
 
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Walugi seems kind of dump to make a character when you think about it. What moves could you possibly give him to make him unique?
We don't have a tall, lanky character in the game--the closest is Ridley and he's hunched over.

We don't have a sneaky dirtbag in the game--just over-the-top evil characters and Wario's comic relief.

I want my lanky cheater. Waluigi has more personality than Mario himself ever has.
 

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I want my lanky cheater. Waluigi has more personality than Mario himself ever has.
I feel like that is a pretty low point of comparison. Is there any character in Smash that less of a personality than Mario does?
 

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Another problem with Waluigi is

Where would he be under? Super Mario Bros. or WarioWare given he's suppose to be Wario's partner and maybe even brother.
 
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Piranha Plant is probably still so noticeably hated on because Waluigi isn't in. It seem to will take longer for most people to realize Piranha Plant really merited its inclusion.
It really didn't, but apparently some people still need time to realize it.

Basically I was asking "are you trying to point out a seemingly obvious flaw in my statement?" Because I think Sakurai clearly values having a "surprise character" as he's had one in every game since Melee. The reality is he was always going to include that type of character and it would probably have never been a character the core Smash fanbase actively hoped to see.
Oh no, I wasn't pointing at any flaw.
 
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Another problem with Waluigi is

Where would he be under? Super Mario Bros. or WarioWare given he's suppose to be Wario's partner and maybe even brother.
Save for the one April 2014 Wii U Direct (where they also mixed up Skyworld and Skyloft) he's always been listed as a Mario character, and rightfully so.
 

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Another problem with Waluigi is

Where would he be under? Super Mario Bros. or WarioWare given he's suppose to be Wario's partner and maybe even brother.
Waluigi has never appeared in WarioWare to my knowledge. Personally I don't much like that Wario's not in the category of Mario characters.
 
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As a representative of the mooks you find in each and every mainline game, Piranha Plant is 100 times more integral to the Mario franchise than someone like Waluigi and even Daisy.
Buddy, where talking about some run of the mill mook not a memorable character. People never saw the Piranha Plant as anything other than an easy to kill enemy. Saying he's "integral" to the Mario franchise because he made more appearances is like saying hes more important than Rosalina. Hes a blatant joke character, for the most part alot of people's reaction to Daisy's inclusion was met with joy, everyones reaction to the plant was met with utter astonishment and disbelief. If you wanna talk about integral Mario enemies the Paper Mario and Thousand Year Door characters got a huge fanbase partly because of the memorable partners, the only fanbase the plant got was through memes and that joke died out quickly.
 
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Waluigi has never appeared in WarioWare to my knowledge. Personally I don't much like that Wario's not in the category of Mario characters.
I can accept it for Wario, since he has two of his own franchises that don't really have a lot of crossover with Mario.

What still kinda irks me is Yoshi being listed as a Mario character, considering even his own outings lift so many things from Mario games.
 

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Before release I liked plant for the surprise factor, unique moveset and the paper mario references in his moveset and palette swaps. Now that the dust has settled he's definitely the weakest DLC character we've gotten (and that's including Smash 4 DLC as well). That being said I don't regret him being added to the game. (I loved the memes as short lived as they were)

On a more uplifting note, if we can't get paper mario playable I would love a mario enemy with an entire moveset based on moves from paper mario 64 and TTYD.
 

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Hes a blatant joke character, everyones reaction to Daisy was met with joy, everyones reaction to the plant was utter astonishment and disbelief
I can only speak for myself, and not for "everyone" unlike other people.

My reaction to Daisy was, "Oh. Okay. Kinda expected that eventually. Shame it has to be as a Peach copy-cat."
My reaction of Piranha Plant was more along the line of, "That's certainly an off the wall choice. Awesome. That looks like a fun character."
 
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I can only speak for myself, and not for "everyone" unlike other people.

My reaction to Daisy was, "Oh. Okay. Kinda expected that eventually. Shame it has to be as a Peach copy-cat."
My reaction of Piranha Plant was more along the line of, "That's certainly an off the wall choice. Awesome. That looks like a fun character."
*for the most part.

Yeah of course not everyone has the same opinion about Daisy, but the plant? Utter astonishment and disbelief.
 

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Buddy, where talking about some run of the mill mook not a memorable character. People never saw the Piranha Plant as anything other than an easy to kill enemy. Saying he's "integral" to the Mario franchise because he made more appearances is like saying hes more important than Rosalina. Hes a blatant joke character, for the most part alot of people's reaction to Daisy's inclusion was met with joy, everyones reaction to the plant was met with utter astonishment and disbelief. If you wanna talk about integral Mario enemies the Paper Mario and Thousand Year Door characters got a huge fanbase partly because of the memorable partners, the only fanbase the plant got was through memes and that joke died out quickly.
Hindsight bias is like a plague in this fanbase. There are people who actually believe, and will try to convince you, that there were people out there who actually cared about Plant before it joined Smash Bros.
 

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Hindsight bias is like a plague in this fanbase. There are people who actually believe, and will try to convince you, that there were people out there who actually cared about Plant before it joined Smash Bros.
Care in what sense? Like, I never asked for them in Smash, and in all honesty I would've preferred Shy Guy for a generic enemy just because I really like Shy Guy, but I've always thought Mario's roster of generic enemies were iconic and well-designed, and I've always liked Petey Piranha as a character.

That and there's nothing wrong with growing to like something you hadn't really thought about before. Like, I never would've expected Plant but I'll be pretty sad if he's cut in future games.
 

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Show me where the legion of Piranha Plant supporters were before it was revealed. If you can't do that then you've just figured out what that sense was.
If you read the whole post, you'd see I mentioned it didn't have Smash demand. But not being demanded ≠ being disliked prior to inclusion.
 

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If you read the whole post, you'd see I mentioned it didn't have Smash demand. But not being demanded ≠ being disliked prior to inclusion.
Show me where the legion of Piranha Plant fans were before it was revealed. If you can't do that then you've just figured out what that sense was.

Is that better?
 

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Show me where the legion of Piranha Plant fans were before it was revealed. If you can't do that then you've just figured out what that sense was.

Is that better?
Ah, so you mean outside of Smash demand.

Look no further than the merchandising. There are tons of pieces of Nintendo merchandise featuring not only Piranha Plant, but all sorts of iconic Mario enemies. They wouldn't produce it if there wasn't a market for it. Piranha Plants are part of the franchise's iconography.

It's not exactly rocket science.
 
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