Unpopular Smash Ultimate Opinions! - Read the OP before Posting

[Ryu Myuutsu]

People expressing their love for Wii Fit Trainer? What's this?

Don't misunderstand me, I like her as well; I'm just too used to seeing out-of-field picks like her being reviled as some kind of hellspawn produced by Sakurai who ends being worse than Satan and Hitler combined. I've always argued that those characters help the roster stay fresh.

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

Wii Fit Trainer is mostly just a very odd character, but I wasn't really against her.

The only real surprise I had from Ultimate was ****ing Piranha Plant and it was because it had the "Wtf" aura of Wii Fit Trainer.

They're fun.

 

[slrigeigdew]

It's funny that I completely forgot the reveal trailers for characters like Bowser jr and Mii Fighters but I remember every detail of WFT and Duck hunt down to the cinematics and moves shown.

On the topic of reveal trailers, using Inkling to announce Ultimate was a 1000× better than giving them a standard character reveal trailer.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

In regards to reveal trailers, part of me wished that Yoshi was revealed before Rosalina's reveal trailer came to existence, simply because it feels wrong that Yoshi was absent from a Mario Kart race.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think Daisy deserved to get in Smash just as much, if not more than Waluigi did. The two have an almost identical track record in which games they appeared in, so I never fully understood how one person could claim Waluigi deserved it while Daisy did not.

And also...

Spoiler

Even though Waluigi is a character I'd love to see in Smash, I feel like a majority of his demand stems from his memes and people wanting to "complete" the list of Super Mario characters. I'd actually prefer characters like PP if Sakurai feels like Waluigi would only be getting in because he's the next biggest character waiting in line.

 

[UserKev]

Decidueye so absent is a bit.. it kind of stirs controvers-e. Not even a Spirit for Link, Sheik, etc?
I realize I hate how Lucario's run animation is strangely inaccurate and it looks crippled. Its not how he runs in the movie. Mega Man even has it. Wtf?
Shy Guy should be the next Yoshi rep.

 

[Oddball]

I think Daisy deserved to get in Smash just as much, if not more than Waluigi did. The two have an almost identical track record in which games they appeared in, so I never fully understood how one person could claim Waluigi deserved it while Daisy did not.

Daisy can at least say she was an important character in a main Mario game (if you want to count Mario Land as a "main game") and was in the Mario movie. That's two major points of her ahead of Waluigi.

Even though Waluigi is a character I'd love to see in Smash, I feel like a majority of his demand stems from his memes

I agree with this... except for the part about loving to see him in Smash. I wouldn't hate it if he appeared, but I wouldn't be excited either.

On a different note, I love the off the wall oddball choices for playable characters. I think they add a lot of spice to the roster and help it maintain a good level of fun Nintendo qwirkyness.

 

[Xelrog]

Wii Fit Trainer is a main character with her own series. She's fine. Piranha Plant isn't.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Decidueye so absent is a bit.. it kind of stirs controvers-e. Not even a Spirit for Link, Sheik, etc?

Not really. It makes sense that there's only a Rowlet spirit, since Japan only loves it out of the members of its family.

Lycanroc on the other hand...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Not really. It makes sense that there's only a Rowlet spirit, since Japan only loves it out of the members of its family.

Lycanroc on the other hand...

For the record, Rowlet being the favourite doesn't mean people don't like the evolutions

As for Wii Fit Trainer, she's pretty cool, it helps that people actually know what to do with her in Ultimate. Now fix up the durability gimmick for Robin dammit

 

[UserKev]

Not really. It makes sense that there's only a Rowlet spirit, since Japan only loves it out of the members of its family.

Lycanroc on the other hand...

Lycanroc could be interesting, but I can't imagine it being properly animated as far as its run It has rather awkwardly length-ful legs for a quadruped Pokémon.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Lycanroc could be interesting, but I can't imagine it being properly animated as far as its run It has rather awkwardly length-ful legs for a quadruped Pokémon.

You should check this out then:

(1/3) Commission with @Delzethin for a moveset of Lycanroc in Smash. Here's the alt colors, their signature mechanic, and all the grounded A moves. pic.twitter.com/cayG9oeglQ

— Ryan's Art Account (@TKOWL_Art) June 10, 2019

 

[Opossum]

Not really. It makes sense that there's only a Rowlet spirit, since Japan only loves it out of the members of its family.

Lycanroc on the other hand...

Are you seriously, once again, only taking that single poll from a children's magazine into consideration?

At least we know Decidueye was actually under heavy consideration.

 

[Xelrog]

I think I've said this in this thread before but no Pokemon has been iconic enough since Lucario to really merit being in Smash. Pikachu/Mewtwo/Lucario and possibly Jigglypuff would be plenty of representation.

 

[Idon]

I think I've said this in this thread before but no Pokemon has been iconic enough since Lucario to really merit being in Smash. Pikachu/Mewtwo/Lucario and possibly Jigglypuff would be plenty of representation.

Implying Pokemon get in based on merit to begin with. Also don't forget Charizard, he's the one starter they market for almost everything.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Implying Pokemon get in based on merit to begin with. Also don't forget Charizard, he's the one starter they market for almost everything.

And Eevee, the iconic Pokemon which the Smash community likes to ignore the iconic status of for whatever reason. Ignoring Eevee's popularity is more outdated than Jigglypuff ever will be.

 

[Cosmic77]

Even though I agree that Decidueye would've been the more unique option, Smash speculation is the only reason people deemed him popular at all. If we're looking at popularity in the Pokémon fanbase, he was arguably the least popular of the three. In that regard, I do think Incineroar was the better choice. Still wouldn't have picked a starter to begin with, but I can at least say that I probably would've made the same decision if my goal was to pick a Pokémon that the fans liked.

I think I've said this in this thread before but no Pokemon has been iconic enough since Lucario to really merit being in Smash. Pikachu/Mewtwo/Lucario and possibly Jigglypuff would be plenty of representation.

To be fair, a lot of that falls on Game Freak and Smash. Game Freak hasn't been trying very hard to find their next Lucario, and they seem content promoting the same Pokemon over and over again. As for Smash, Starter Pokemon are doomed to be irrelevant. There's no point in giving heavy promotion to a previous starter in a newer Gen if your goal is to make the newest Pokemon game seem different. So the odds of Game Freak acquiring their next Lucario that way are pretty slim if we continue to get starters.

 

[Ze Diglett]

To be fair, a lot of that falls on Game Freak and Smash. Game Freak hasn't been trying very hard to find their next Lucario, and they seem content promoting the same Pokemon over and over again. As for Smash, Starter Pokemon are doomed to be irrelevant. There's no point in giving heavy promotion to a previous starter in a newer Gen if your goal is to make the newest Pokemon game seem different. So the odds of Game Freak acquiring their next Lucario that way are pretty slim if we continue to get starters.

>implying Zoroark and Lycanroc weren't blatantly intended to be their respective generations' Lucario

Not saying you're wrong, but those two were definitely pushed by Game Freak to the point of trying to make them the next Lucario. (And they notably failed, both times.)

 

[Guynamednelson]

Not saying you're wrong, but those two were definitely pushed by Game Freak to the point of trying to make them the next Lucario. (And they notably failed, both times.)

Requiring an event Pokemon to acquire
vs.
Sakurai focusing too much on starters, and Smash fans too plus le balanced roster

In fact, trying to make the roster fair and balanced results in the opposite: How is it fair for Mario to have most of what it already has plus Geno and Waluigi but Pokemon is only restricted to the biggest of the big mascots...plus Jigglypuff but minus Eevee?

 

[Arcanir]

I think I've said this in this thread before but no Pokemon has been iconic enough since Lucario to really merit being in Smash. Pikachu/Mewtwo/Lucario and possibly Jigglypuff would be plenty of representation.

The thing with Lucario is that he had to build up to that point. When Brawl first came out you had fans swearing that he wasn't iconic either and that his 'slot' was wasted and should've went to Mewtwo, and even during Smash 4 it was rough for him as even with his prominence in B2W2 and XY there was still a sizeable amount of fans that pushed against him. It's only nowadays that it's generally accepted that he's iconic among the franchise, and even then there's some that grumble at the idea of him being listed among the likes of Charizard and Mewtwo.

Greninja and Incineroar could be the same way, there are some limitations to their promotion since starters rarely get promoted outside of their debut generation, but like with Charizard they can still prove their worth despite that and show that they are iconic Pokémon in their own right. Greninja for example was very promoted during Gen 6 and even got some notable roles in 7 (ex. Detective Pikachu), so the building blocks are there, it just has to prove that its popularity can last into the future.

>implying Zoroark and Lycanroc weren't blatantly intended to be their respective generations' Lucario

Not saying you're wrong, but those two were definitely pushed by Game Freak to the point of trying to make them the next Lucario. (And they notably failed, both times.)

To be fair, Lycanroc's doing a lot better then Zoroark was at this point in time. By B2W2 TCPi basically pulled away from it as the only major thing the latter got outside of the movie was a bit role in the anime, and it didn't get much else outside of that. Lycanroc is still pretty much Ash's ace, the event one was used as a way to sell USUM, and the Rockruff line still pops up in advertising here and there. I wouldn't say it's Lucario levels by any means as very few Pokémon exploded as much as he did, but I'd hesitate to call it a failure either since TCPi knows it sells if they're still pushing it.

 

[Cosmic77]

>implying Zoroark and Lycanroc weren't blatantly intended to be their respective generations' Lucario

Not saying you're wrong, but those two were definitely pushed by Game Freak to the point of trying to make them the next Lucario. (And they notably failed, both times.)

Zoroark, yes.
Lycanroc, not really.

Lycanroc is one of the more notable Pokémon in Sun and Moon, but it was never pushed to the extent of it seeming like Game Freak was trying to make it its Gen's "Lucario". It had three separate forms used to tie in with Sun and Moon's main theme of night and day, and it was owned by two very notable characters in the games (Kukui and Olivia), one of which was only given one because it matched their rock-type theme. It made a lot of appearances in the anime too, but again, it had three different forms. Once you separate them, Dusk Lycanroc is the only one with a notable role, and it was clearly used as a way to promote the Ultra games a few months before they would release. That's not so much of a blatant push for a single Pokémon to become popular as it is a push for a notable Pokémon to promote Sun and Moon.

I think Mimikyu would be a better example of Game Freak trying to make another "Lucario". Before Sun and Moon was even released, Mimikyu had a special song and a ton of merchandise planned - far more than any of the Lycanroc forms got.

 

[MBRedboy31]

On a side topic, it bothers me when people assume that Decidueye would’ve been a projectile zoner if it got in Smash. It would’ve definitely been possible, but it’s still a huge assumption to make.

Have you ever seen gameplay of Decidueye in Pokken, for example? It isn’t a zoner in that game, it’s an all-rounder. Compare its gameplay to actual zoners like Suicune, Chandelure, Gardevoir, Darkrai, ect.
Don’t forget about Pit’s moveset in Smash, too, where he isn’t a zoner either.

 

[Opossum]

On a side topic, it bothers me when people assume that Decidueye would’ve been a projectile zoner if it got in Smash. It would’ve definitely been possible, but it’s still a huge assumption to make.

Have you ever seen gameplay of Decidueye in Pokken, for example? It isn’t a zoner in that game, it’s an all-rounder. Compare its gameplay to actual zoners like Suicune, Chandelure, Gardevoir, Darkrai, ect.
Don’t forget about Pit’s moveset in Smash, too, where he isn’t a zoner either.

Didn't Sakurai basically come out and say he would have had a massive focus on projectiles had he been chosen?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The thing with Lucario is that there's twobeasy explanations to why he became so popular and other Pokemon like Zoroark couldn't. Lucario was actually available in Diamond and Pearl without any event bull**** like Zoroark in BW1 and the other reason is as follows. They put Lucario in some fighting game you may have heard of called Brawl, which was the best selling fighting game until Ultimate came out 6 months ago. Greninja and Incineroar will easily get to that level of being iconic solely for the same reasons. Hell, Greninja even got an extra form a generation after it's debut because of it's popularity

 

[Xelrog]

Didn't Lucario have several Pokemon movies and some degree of prominence in the anime?

And Eevee, the iconic Pokemon which the Smash community likes to ignore the iconic status of for whatever reason. Ignoring Eevee's popularity is more outdated than Jigglypuff ever will be.

Eevee is tiny, quadrupedal, and has no notable or interesting powers. Its whole gimmick, evolution, cannot be implemented into a Smash moveset because Pokemon can't revert evolutions. Even as an assist trophy all it does is smack stuff. Eevee is adorable but as a fighter it's dishwater.

 

[SmasherMaster]

I think the reason why Wii Fit Trainer doesn't fall into the same catorgy as Piranha Plant is solely because she was one of the first newcomers announced as opposed to Plant being on of the later ones. Also, I find it odd when people think that Wii Fit Trainer is going to be cut because we have passed the Wii era in Nintendo's history while this applies even greater for many characters.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Didn't Lucario have several Pokemon movies and some degree of prominence in the anime?

Lucario had one movie and I believe it wouldn't become prominent in the anime until XY. Zoroark also had a movie but failed to be as popular as Lucario for the reasons I already mentioned

 

[StormC]

Didn't Sakurai basically come out and say he would have had a massive focus on projectiles had he been chosen?

As a Decidueye fan it's validating at least to know we were next in line despite some people acting like it was never on the table before release.

 

[SmasherMaster]

Honestly the weirder thing to me is that none of the Treecko line has any spirits. Mostly because it could be assumed that Sceptile had a good amount of votes during the ballot era.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Honestly the weirder thing to me is that none of the Treecko line has any spirits. Mostly because it could be assumed that Sceptile had a good amount of votes during the ballot era.

The Ballot is so goddamn weird as people insisted that it was going to be a few specific characters and then we learn goddamn Alucard was the most popular CasrleVania request judging by Sakurai's comments

 

[Guynamednelson]

Eevee is tiny, quadrupedal, and has no notable or interesting powers. Its whole gimmick, evolution, cannot be implemented into a Smash moveset because Pokemon can't revert evolutions. Even as an assist trophy all it does is smack stuff. Eevee is adorable but as a fighter it's dishwater.

ROB can't be a fighter because all it can do is pick up tops or blocks very slowly.
Captain Falcon? Fox? This game isn't about piloting vehicles.
Ness? It's Paula who has all the interesting PSI.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

ROB can't be a fighter because all it can do is pick up tops or blocks very slowly.
Captain Falcon? Fox? This game isn't about piloting vehicles.
Ness? It's Paula who has all the interesting PSI.

I gotta agree with Xelrog here. The big thing about Eevee is the Eeveelutions. If you're not able to really show off the Eeveelutions at all, that really ruins the whole point of the character. That's Eevee's thing. It's not impossible at all, of course, but reverting Evolution isn't really something associated with Pokemon, so another way has to be found. Like being a summoner could be fun in itself. You could still make a fun moveset that works alone, with the Eeveelutions being a part of the Final Smash, and it'd work too. It might not be as neat to many because they're not fully integrated but it's not like every moveset can do everything you want, of course. It's just his example of a bad way to include the Eeveelutions, that's all.

Though it looks more like you only acknowledged Eevee's design as being "unfeasible for Smash", and I agree that's kind of silly. Being bipedal or quadripedal is not an issue. They have mouths to carry items anyway, just like PIkachu does.

 

[slrigeigdew]

Controversy aside, the more I learn about Pokemòn Sword&Shield the less upset I am over the possibility of a Gen 8 pokemòn rep as DLC. The new pokemon and region has grown on me after E3.

 

[Aquaflyff]

That’s definitely a welcome input seeing the huge spark of negativity about the limited dex.

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking as someone who’s rarely ever shielded in his life, why do most players shield so much during boss battles? Yes, it’s quicker to get back to fighting them, but that’s acting like there’s no way to move out of the way in time (implying I’ve always pulled off dodging 100%, but still).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

ROB can't be a fighter because all it can do is pick up tops or blocks very slowly.
Captain Falcon? Fox? This game isn't about piloting vehicles.
Ness? It's Paula who has all the interesting PSI.

Don't forget this guy here.



After managing to make a Piranha Plant of all things a playable character. Sakurai can make anything work. Even a Tetris Block.

 

[Lenidem]

Don't forget this guy here.



After managing to make a Piranha Plant of all things a playable character. Sakurai can make anything work. Even a Tetris Block.

I would have prefered the Tetris block.

 

[Xelrog]

Sakurai can make anything work. Even a Tetris Block.

That doesn't mean that anything will be an interesting fighter. Lack of material to draw from was never one of Piranha Plant's problems. I don't know why people act surprised that a moveset came about for it.

 

[Idon]

That doesn't mean that anything will be an interesting fighter. Lack of material to draw from was never one of Piranha Plant's problems. I don't know why people act surprised that a moveset came about for it.

Yeah I agree.
Moveset potential isn't really a problem with a "character" that has existed for 3 decades and has had dozens of variants throughout the years. If anything I'd be more surprised with Duck Hunt considering their source material amounts to a mish mash of referencing old lightgun games and duck-taping the two characters together.

 

[Xelrog]

Duck Hunt is definitely a character with pretty minimal source material. The only move of his I really have an issue with is the down special. Spawning in other characters to attack, namely ones from other games, always feels tacky to me.