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Just to be clear on one thing, Counter moves are not as easy to utilize effectively as one might think. They're all about trying to outsmart your opponent, and if you time the counter window wrong, you can get punished for it.
On the one hand, this means that Peach's Toad move would be replaced, freeing up Toad to be a fighter.
Doesn't really work that well with slower characters.
You're making it sound like Counters are cheap. They're pretty much useless if you can't predict your opponent's actions.
So you are basically agreeing with me. Why should they be game if they are not consistently useful ?
Quite the opposite.
I'd rather have a universal parry button like Rivals 2.
1 mind games don't work on CPUs
You really need not bother insulting this franchise. You can be happy with Rivals without insulting anything else. Honestly the biggest challenge Smash has is most of the special are extremely boring , & not as consistently useful as they should be.
This feels gatekeepy to me. It’s fine to dislike a series overall and still enjoy certain elements within it enough to participate in fandom discussion. For example, I think assassins creed is a bad series with very few good games but I still like concepts within it enough to participate in discussions on it. Why can’t others do the same for Smash?
Answer me this.
The fact that this is a Smash forum is going to be gatekeepy to people who dislike Smash, period.
Barely, only one thread about a non-Smash platform fighter is decently active, the rest is Smash, Smash, and the social thread.
He's already posted the exact same post ITT a few times minus the RoA mentioning, and his posts in general have been fairly negative, I doubt it.
They actively try to dissuade new users from being on the boards and speak of how Smash should just die because anything past Melee is bad.
This is a fair assessment, but there's also a fine line between trolling and civil discussion. Existing on the boards just to talk about how much Smash sucks is one thing (falls under that "not productive/constructive" banner i was talking about), but I feel people who do that are in the overwhelming minority of the site's population.
And it's painfully obvious that I'm saying those people specifically need to just leave.
And so are the people who are trying to use this forum to discuss other platform fighters, so I don't see why you'd argue that this site is becoming more than just a Smash board.
I can sympathize with that. I was trying to cover broad strokes with my assessment of the debate since your intial post was pretty generally worded, so I might have taken more of a liberal definition of "hating Smash" than what was appropiate or intended. My apologies for that (and to Nelson as well but I don't feel like double quoting is necessary seeing as he just posted a reply).
It really isn't, it's just common sense.
And that's not what's happening here as anyone with a basic reading ability can tell you. Being critical is pointing out the issues Smash has and elaborating on how/why they're an issue and in this instance, what other games are providing that Smash isn't. This is just reddit tier "Smash bad, Rivals good, give upvotes" trash instead of talking about what Rivals does that Smash doesn't, there's no attempt at an honest conversation.
I mean, if someone thinks anything post-Melee - non-inclusive towards 64 and Melee - is bad... they're still a Smash fan, right? The same would be true of fanworks. It's less liking "using a Pokemon fan forum as a Pokemon hater because there's One Piece discussion on the side" and more "Using a Pokemon fan forum as a 'genwunner'" or "using a Pokemon fan forum as a fan of Pokemon Uranium".
And that's the problem: It isn't.
I'd personally make it so Neutral Air is the Humming Top from Advance as the spinny move, with Forward Air being more like Kirby's.
I’ve seen people who don’t like the modern state of a franchise discuss it in a productive way plenty of times
Tbf that wasn't the case with what was being said, "Smash is awful, thank god I can play Rivals 2 instead' says absolutely nothing constructive, people who have issues with games like idk, FFXVI or DmC are able to communicate their issues with how the direction was handled from combat, story, tone, etc beyond "It sucks"
Eh tbf, being constructive all the time is boring. Sometimes, people just want to make other people mad.
I don't think I've ever seen someone tattle on themselves quite this hard before.
I wasn’t talking about Eremurus’s post (and FWIW they do seem like a troll just by looking at their account). Sorry if there’s a misunderstanding. The original post I replied to didn’t quote Eremurus directly so I assumed it’s about the trend generally and not that one specific user.
I guess there’s some truth to this, not every discussion here technically has to be “constructive”. God knows a lot of ****posting happens. But at the same time, citing some men just want to see the world burn as a valid reason for why is just a weird leap in logic.
The original post where this discussion came from is about people who hate Smash, not people who likes what they played but have issues with the franchise's direction or anything, just that if there's nothing positive for you to say, you shouldn't really be around sites dedicated to it not just cause it'll annoy others with your negativity that offers nothing but being mad, but because you'd be much happier if you log off and do something that makes you happy
Yeah, it definitely isn't. I just think acknowledging and admitting things (even things about myself) will stop stuff from growing out of hand as opposed to suppressing them.
