Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds

[Gates]

ok, I'm done crying now. Mostly just because I'm dehydrated, but I'm at least done for now.

Next they are gonna wreck Akuma or something.

Funny you should say that, he also got nerfed by the patch. It was very very minor though - they removed his infinite but everything else is exactly the same.

I actually think Ryu isn't all that bad. He punishes hard with hadouken into Shinkuu.

Maybe "sucks" was too strong a word. It's not that Ryu is bad, he's just outclassed by Akuma in a ton of ways and he's not as good at zoning or rushing down as a lot of other characters. He's just kind of average.

He can outzone characters pretty well unless the opponent can zone as well.

So basically he's good against anyone without a good projectile? Well that only means that like 2/3rd of the cast is better than him.

And I was going to say you forgot Hsien-Ko as a "zoner" but I forgot she's really an assist character lol.

>implying Hsien-Ko is a character
People who play Hsien-Ko are characters though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI&feature=related

Gates, going even with DP is about as good as it gets.

Oh, I see what you meant now. Before it was basically just a "people don't think it be like it is, but it do" thing.

I really don't think that going even with Dark Phoenix is as good as it gets. I'm sure Dark Phoenix has some sort of bad matchup.

XD You posted again! This Live Posting thing is so trippy.

Smooth Criminal

Live posting? I thought I was just drunk.

I can't possibly see how Sent could be considered even with Dark Phoenix.

Well whose favor do you think it's in then? Could you elaborate on that?

 

[Thino]

wow I had Sentinels starting to run away from my Ammy pre-patch already , now they're prolly fly away more and block better and prolly less random 2M and S..

 

[Serris]

Is it sadistic to call out Phoenix when you have five bars and your opponent is on their last character without X-Factor?

 

[Minato]

So basically he's good against anyone without a good projectile? Well that only means that like 2/3rd of the cast is better than him.

True lol. I guess he isn't all the great since he's only effective if you build a team around him like having Morrigan or Dante.
I find him pretty scary with Dark Harmonizer giving him all the meter. He almost never runs out of meter playing keepaway with that.

On another note though, my friend showed me how good Shinku Tatsumaki is on teleporters.
It would hit me whenever I teleported with Dante. Or maybe I just didn't block fast enough after each teleport.

 

[Lythium]

Is it sadistic to call out Phoenix when you have five bars and your opponent is on their last character without X-Factor?

In a word? Yes.

But that's what Phoenix does.

 

[Atlus8]

The patch affects Sentinel players the most! Surely there can't be too many Sentinels out there, right?!

Anyway, Capcom messed up here and nerfed the wrong thing! I still don't understand why they don't just give the players the option of turning off XFactor! Phoenix players would cry out, but she deserves some buffs!

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Oh, hello complainaboutxfactor8, haven't seen you on here in a short while.

Aaaaaaaaaaanyway. I think Sent's stamina was too high to begin with, did they lower it too much? Maybe, but it was coming. Also, less hitstun, though minimal, on Akuma's tatsu does make a little sad. Not because I used the infinite, but because I might need to tweak my combos a bit.

 

[Pitzer]

If you're a true player you'll still use sent

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

What did the patch do? I haven't been able to play for a while.

 

[Hitman JT]

What did the patch do? I haven't been able to play for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpxG2k_wioE&feature=feedlik

 

[Gates]

The patch affects Sentinel players the most! Surely there can't be too many Sentinels out there, right?!

**** you.

Phoenix players would cry out, but she deserves some buffs!

Seriously, **** you.

If you're a true player you'll still use sent

I will always use Sent. In MvC2.

I dunno, I feel like I should go back and do more soulsearching again. Maybe if I completely change my playstyle I'll play something like Wesker/Magneto/Dante and do ok while secretly wishing the game were more like MvC2.

905K health is such an arbitrary number too. Why not just give him exactly 900K? Did they want Sentinel to survive an extra jab?

I'm glad that at least this patch fixed some things that needed to be fixed like the Haggar/Spencer DHC glitch.

 

[SupaSairentoZ7℠]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpxG2k_wioE&feature=feedlik

Thanks for the video link.

 

[cutter]

Sentinel never should have been nerfed. But I guess that's what happens when people whine and complain loudly enough. There shouldn't have even been a balance patch to begin with. It was too sudden and far too early in the game's development.

If this turns into "Blizzard-style" buffing and nerfing, I'm done with MvC3.

Just watch, Phoenix will become the next character to hate on and she'll get nerfed into oblivion.

 

[Gates]

Actually the more that I think about it, the more I realize that this could be a good opportunity for me to learn different characters and become a better player overall. I already needed to work on my Morrigan and I needed to learn a 3rd character, so this Sentinel nerf is giving me a reason to do both. This might turn out for the better after all.







WHO THE **** AM I KIDDING SENTINEL IS THE ONLY REASON I PLAY THIS GAME.

 

[Pitzer]

I'll use sent regardless of his health, he works so well with my Zero

 

[Atlus8]

Man, SSFIV feels good! I'm down to play some if anyone is down! Bye,bye MvC3! You sad piece of ****

 

[Pikaville]

Dude playing your Zero gave me such epic ideas for using Akuma's teleport.

You can actually do some sick crossups with him.

Once again, thank you.

 

[Iron Dragon]

I do in certain ways think this patch of Sentinel is dumb and I'll give my reasons.

1. There were people out there who said they could deal with Sentinel, yet when it came time down to if they should put in a patch, I'm willing to bet that 90% of those people were completely in favor of it. Hello people, if you said you could deal with him then why are you wanting a patch so badly and happy now that there is one and that he's nerfed? I personally feel I could deal with Sentinel fine and didn't need a patch.

2. If what I'm hearing is right(what Gates said) and spit does NO chip damage(instead of just reduced chip) then honestly that's dumb. Reduce it maybe, but NONE at all? No, that is wrong. Either make it so it does reduced chip or just tone down how fast he can do the spit so he can't go high then low so quickly or something.

I honestly think they need a patch to fix She-Hulk and other characters who have abnormally big grab hitboxes in the air, because it's just crazy. I mean if you look at what She-Hulk players do, they just go berserk once they reset and then go for that air throw, it's imo like 90% guaranteed. And if they don't get that they get her punch/dizzy move which is even better because it leads to loop and re-combo and all that jazz.

Just my 2 sents. I still think Sentinel can and will be good but this is ********. They should have given him some kind of small buff in return like the end of Plasma Storm exploding like it does in COTA.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Just my 2 sents.

I c wat u did there

 

[Iron Dragon]

"Juggs just got off house arrest and I just ****ed She-Hulk and I ****ed around and got the gout but it's cool cause I ****ed her in the ear and gave her hearing aids cause I'm the Juggernaut *****!"
Classic.

Arthur sucks.
Chris sucks.
MODOK sucks.
Amaterasu, Doom, Dormmamu, Deadpool, Morrigan, Ryu, and Phoenix are more balanced than zoning, even though they can zone (and of those characters, Ryu sucks and the rest are pretty meh).

Zoning in general is just a terrible strategy in this game since every character that doesn't suck had:

A. An airdash.
B. A teleport.
C. Multiple jumps.
D. Invincible moves.
E. All or most of the above.

Increased mobility in games just generally leads to decreased viability in zoning. That's why in a lot of airdash fighters the zoning characters aren't that great unless they have ******** damage.

Japan thinks Fei is the best because they hadn't been playing on console for a long time and now they have to deal with him as a new character. Remember when Justin beat Daigo with Fei Long because Daigo didn't know the matchup against console characters? Every American player whose gotten their hands on the game have said that, though Fei is very good, Yang and Yun are the most centralizing characters in the game.

That's the thing though. When I play SFIV, I want to play SFIV, with its focus attacks and its Ultras and its scrubby inputs and everything. If I wanted to play 3rd Strike, I'd just play 3rd Strike. Capcom seems to be in this mentality that the best way to cater to hardcore fans is to exploit nostalgia by making unpopular games more like popular games. They did this with SFIV making it like ST, then they took a step forward and found a pretty good balance with SSFIV (aside from the low tiers), but with AE they're taking a step back and trying to emulate 3S. This is even more pointless since 3S Online should be coming out within the next year or so (I assume), which means that people will have easy access to 3S anyway.

No, I meant Sentinel is unplayable, not the game as a whole. I'll probably keep playing, but I really doubt I'll enjoy it that much and my interest will probably just die out over time, like with BB.

Spoiler

stay free

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I really need to quit double posting like this but whatever

Sent unplayable? C'mon man, like I said I still think hes good. Shoulda gotten that Plasma Storm buff though.

Also, I think Chris is pretty good, Modok too....idk it just depends imo. Deadpool's zoning game is terrific imo as well.

And yes I love the Juggernaut *****, never gets old. I love when Rogue asks Storm what she thinks of the situation and she starts talking in like 3rd world country dialect xD.

I do know what you mean about the whole Fei Long thing and Justin beating Daigo with it, but I think nonetheless Fei Long is pretty powerful. They said something somewhere about MK Flame Kick just being godlike basically. *shrug* And hey man....3rd Strike online is aight but if these people have internet access anyways, I'm guessing they own a computer and if they own a computer...they should just play GGPO!

EDIT: @ Twist- o rly?

 

[Pikaville]

Spoiler

 

[choknater]

dayum. get 'em doom

 

[Gates]

2. If what I'm hearing is right(what Gates said) and spit does NO chip damage(instead of just reduced chip) then honestly that's dumb. Reduce it maybe, but NONE at all? No, that is wrong. Either make it so it does reduced chip or just tone down how fast he can do the spit so he can't go high then low so quickly or something.

Actually, it seems like I got my information wrong on that. I don't see anything in Desk's video or on the SRK and Eventhubs posts about it, so I'm going to assume that it hasn't changed.

I honestly think they need a patch to fix She-Hulk and other characters who have abnormally big grab hitboxes in the air, because it's just crazy. I mean if you look at what She-Hulk players do, they just go berserk once they reset and then go for that air throw, it's imo like 90% guaranteed. And if they don't get that they get her punch/dizzy move which is even better because it leads to loop and re-combo and all that jazz.

Come on man, really? I think She-Hulk is pretty balanced. If she has a big grab hitbox that just means you need to anticipate when she'd go for grabs. She-Hulk is a mixup character and you need to learn how to beat those mixups to beat her.

There's all sorts of ridiculous hitboxes in this game though. Have you seen Hulk's standing fierce hitbox? It's like a projectile.

Sent unplayable? C'mon man, like I said I still think hes good. Shoulda gotten that Plasma Storm buff though.

You're right, I was kinda overreacting. Still, I would have thought that his nerfs wouldn't be so drastic. I'll be crying for days.

I don't see how Sentinel's MOST DAMAGING SUPER needs to be buffed. It seems like that wouldn't do much to balance the character.

And yes I love the Juggernaut *****, never gets old. I love when Rogue asks Storm what she thinks of the situation and she starts talking in like 3rd world country dialect xD.

"Ooh Storm you know you be turnin me on when you talkin that dialect I just want you go just go out there run in the field wearin this low skirt and leopards and **** and start hunting tigers and mother****er just bring em to my damn wheelchair make me eat em out of my mouth."

Beast had great lines in that too.
"Other than havin cancer he cool."

And hey man....3rd Strike online is aight but if these people have internet access anyways, I'm guessing they own a computer and if they own a computer...they should just play GGPO!

Some people like the stick (no homo) more than keyboard. Some people also can't plug in their sticks (no homo) to play on their computers because PS3 controllers don't go that way (no homo).

Overall, I still like the actual 3S more than a game pretending to be 3S. AE just isn't as good as tonguing another man's balls.

I mean as 3S.



I'm not gay.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

"IT'S THE SHARK FROM DEEP BLUE SEA!"

WHACK!

"THAT'S FOR EATING SAMUEL L. JACKSON, MOTHER****A!"

XD

You gay, Gates.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Lythium]

Some people like the stick (no homo) more than keyboard. Some people also can't plug in their sticks (no homo) to play on their computers because PS3 controllers don't go that way (no homo).

I came.

No homo?

 

[ETWIST51294]

Well you are a girl so.... no homo

 

[Gates]

I came.

No homo?

It's ok, I have that effect on people.

No homo.

 

[choknater]

im going to play the game a lot tonight. no more 1-day mahvel fests. all night baby.

 

[ETWIST51294]

homohomohomohomo

 

[Pikaville]

I'm homo!

:D

As is Akuma for your life.

 

[Pitzer]

I'd go Gay for Zero. Just Sayain

 

[Hitman JT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfbEwtqe0I

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Suddenly it all makes sense: In France, they call the Big O, "Le Petite Mort," meaning, "The Little Death," because your heart stops during that moment.
When Akuma grabs you he says, "Die one-thousand deaths."

He is all man.

 

[Iron Dragon]

Actually, it seems like I got my information wrong on that. I don't see anything in Desk's video or on the SRK and Eventhubs posts about it, so I'm going to assume that it hasn't changed

Ah okay, thats not bad then

Come on man, really? I think She-Hulk is pretty balanced. If she has a big grab hitbox that just means you need to anticipate when she'd go for grabs. She-Hulk is a mixup character and you need to learn how to beat those mixups to beat her.

There's all sorts of ridiculous hitboxes in this game though. Have you seen Hulk's standing fierce hitbox? It's like a projectile

I know what you mean but if you face some of that stuff it just seems kind of crazy. Maybe I'm just crazy for thinking of it that way but her stuff is nuts haha.

You're right, I was kinda overreacting. Still, I would have thought that his nerfs wouldn't be so drastic. I'll be crying for days.

I don't see how Sentinel's MOST DAMAGING SUPER needs to be buffed. It seems like that wouldn't do much to balance the character.

Yeah I know what you mean, but that was just for all the other stuff you also said such as spit doing no chip, I think that would have been kind of drastic and was more of the reason for justification on the P Storm.

"Ooh Storm you know you be turnin me on when you talkin that dialect I just want you go just go out there run in the field wearin this low skirt and leopards and **** and start hunting tigers and mother****er just bring em to my damn wheelchair make me eat em out of my mouth."

Beast had great lines in that too.
"Other than havin cancer he cool."

LOL I swear every time I watch this it just has me dying for days.

Some people like the stick (no homo) more than keyboard. Some people also can't plug in their sticks (no homo) to play on their computers because PS3 controllers don't go that way (no homo).

Overall, I still like the actual 3S more than a game pretending to be 3S. AE just isn't as good as tonguing another man's balls.

I mean as 3S.



I'm not gay.

.....

LOL WUT

 

[Scamp]

Elaborate on Sent vs. Dark Phoenix. Alrighty.

Dark Phoenix wants to jump away and throw homing fireballs. Once they're out there's practically nothing Sent can do other than block them and they do massive chip damage. Sent's only options to counter are jumping medium and hard drive. Either will kill her if they hit, unless you hit at max range with the medium. Neither can be done on reaction to her throwing the fireball unless she's really close to you, in which case she's really dumb.

Sent is quite gigantic so it's hard to get around her basic projectiles (the ones that come out from her normals). He does have some tools to counter them, however, but only from close range. So if she can avoid doing them within crouching M or launcher range, she'll be fine.

One note is that she shouldn't teleport and attack unless absolutely certain Sent is in blockstun. From my experiences it is too difficult to punish teleport on reaction (unless that's the only thing you're looking for) with crouching medium before they can block, but it's generally easy to do it in time to armor through her attacks.

The only thing DP really needs to watch out for other than getting caught doing something risky or stupid is the corner. No one can be in the corner against Sent. One thing I don't think I see enough from Phoenix is to use her heavy teleport. You can do a fast air attack from it and it'll punish just about everything except random launcher. And you should be able to punish random launcher heavily (assuming you do something else) or else you'll never beat Sentinel.

And, of course, everything changes in level 3 X-factor, where I believe Sent has absolutely zero chance. But I'm not a good Sentinel player, so perhaps there are some tactics that I simply don't know about or that I'm dismissing but are actually good. I didn't go into everything about the matchup, but I think most of the basics are covered.

 

[Gates]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGjCdVN_DI&feature=related

Suddenly it all makes sense: In France, they call the Big O, "Le Petite Mort," meaning, "The Little Death," because your heart stops during that moment.
When Akuma grabs you he says, "Die one-thousand deaths."

He is all man.

Why do you think the screen goes black every time he demons?
Capcom doesn't want to make an AO game.
Those demons aren't the only things he has that are raging.
Listen to his theme from 3S.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strTiAQPxL0&feature=related
If you slow it down and cut out the drums it sounds like some New Age porno music.
I could go on but I'll stop.

Elaborate on Sent vs. Dark Phoenix. Alrighty.

blah blah blah Pheonix has the advantage.

Just telling me who you thought had the advantage was fine. I can agree that it's Phoenix's advantage for sure. You need a really good Sentinel with a good amount of support just to get close to even.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Whelp, at least I can laugh when I tell my friend about the patch. Oh, how I'll laugh.

 

[Kuraudo]

I laugh, but only because I'm still gunning for X and/or Venom.

Sentinel getting THIS big of a nerf on his health though is lulzy. By the same token, that means people like Hulk & Thor have more. Which...canonly seems rather appropriate.

 

[O D I N]

Dude playing your Zero gave me such epic ideas for using Akuma's teleport.

You can actually do some sick crossups with him.

Once again, thank you.

P.Zero, I think you've created a monster...

Aido, we gotta play soon. Tomorrow, mayhaps?

I'd go Gay for Zero. Just Sayain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyiKm8BmL6M

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

Feels good to own people who thought they were better than you.

Spiderman/Trish/Spencer critique please.