Toon Link Inquiry Thread (Ask a question, get an answer)

[TLMSheikant]

Combo vids dont exits in a combo-less game.

VG- There are marths here that are better than mine. Flare_hawk and Negi. Negi is very good and his spacing is ugh but i still beat him with tink. I havent played with h@wk recently but when we played in september he beat my tink. At that time i sucked. H@wk is very good at shieldbreaker. I dont even know how to use shieldbreaker so my marth sucks. Ill find u a video of my marth so that u can see how much it sucks. >_> SUcks more than urs.

 

[Steel]

if a marth is losing to toon link he is either 1) doing the match up wrong or 2) isn't as good as the toon link

 

[ZeroXMachine]

I've had some pretty good success tech grabbing Falco b/c of his fall speed. Of course that really doesn't win the match or anything since you can't really pull that off more than once unless they're stupid.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Here's a question.
Who closed the projectile thread and Why?!?

 

[Sosuke]

I have no idea. hahahahaha.
Someone ask Chip.

I just got an infraction, I don't want to.

 

[Asdioh]

I was going to ask the same question.

I'm unintentionally psychic, but slightly off.

Maybe Chip. will see this and be like "mod material right there :D"

 

[iRjOn]

Liez Zamus is sexy enough to be the best combo character in brawl


Yea wonder who closed it...
iron should be a mod cause he'd iron the wrinkles of bad spam away and keep good threads open.

 

[copacetic]

This may have been asked but I didn't see it but...

What are good ways to get back onto the ledge? I played a peach last week who tossed turnips enough to kill my projectile and spaced a floaty f-air if I air dodged or used the get-up attack. I took an extra thirty damage or so from this barrage before I figured it out, but it put me at a disadvantage I should've avoided. But here's what I tried:
Nair, Fair, and walljump->Bair don't have the range.
Bomb, Rang, and arrows were dodged or stopped by turnips
iBomb didn't reach
Air Dodge->Zair < Turnip->Fair (and when I caught a turnip she usually had another already)

The last worked a couple times if she messed up, and if I threw a Rang offstage and hit her with the return it got me back on, but mostly I had to resort to dropping down, jumping and landing onstage with a quickdraw, usually getting hit by a turnip but getting there anyway.

What other decent ways are there to get back to the stage?

 

[Artmastercorey]

how do you momentum cancel with toon link? They say its your fastest aerial plus fast fall...what should i press?

 

[TLMSheikant]

Art master- back air + fast fall is ur friend.

 

[VietGeek]

Art master- back air + fast fall is ur friend.

Bair + jump removes more momentum. You only need to fastfall if you're getting hit vertically.

Every % counts lol.

 

[oOJaseOo]

Hey it might be a stupid question but has anyone ever noticed that our grounded up b has a spike/meteor hitbox? its weak but i just tryed it on a lucas today a couple of times it either sent him down same kinda power as falcos side b or it put him under the ledge but either way i found it set up a stage spike with the bair quite nicely

 

[iRjOn]

Its cant really setup bair Jase upb last too long.
But it has a semi spike hitbox yea.

 

[TLMSheikant]

Viet- I remember when u guys didnt believe me and kept saying that uair was better for momentum cancelling. I diserve credit for being the first to bair momentum cancel ^_^. And yeah VG jump removes more momentum but if u think u are against mkz or a good edgeguarder its better to just fast fall and conserve ur second jump.

 

[Sosuke]

Everyone used to use Bair.
Then Chip started using Uair, and started living up to high percents, so we started using it.
Then Chip got the same/better results with Bair again so we use Bair.

 

[Tektite]

Chip is our God. We follow what he does.

 

[TheJerm]

I used bair from the start. Uair isnt smart because of how long it stays out. But it actually comes out faster than bair.

 

[PhantomX]

This one is for "TheJerm." What can you do against a Wario that dair divebombs after you as soon you drop from the ledge to pull a bomb? :X

 

[TheJerm]

Tech >=]. But why would Jerm be in the situation? Oh, because he's trash =[

 

[PhantomX]

It's ok, I got Santi with a nair the same way apparently, lol. I can personally never tech stage spikes. I can tech anything else that I hit though, lol.

 

[oOJaseOo]

Its cant really setup bair Jase upb last too long.
But it has a semi spike hitbox yea.

kool kool it did only happen once or twice i just wondered ^^

 

[iRjOn]

i never knew chip used uair I never watched his old vids.
I was like well hes not around so...
I like Santi better.
Still do NO offence Chip just I know Santi better.
And he plays like good against Dojo!
o.o
lol
Your still the bomb Chip.
:D

 

[TheJerm]

It's ok, I got Santi with a nair the same way apparently, lol. I can personally never tech stage spikes. I can tech anything else that I hit though, lol.

Lol, I was semi lying. I would try to tech.. but fail horribly lol. But I did get a stage spike tech that day xD.

Anyways I never met him, but, I like chip, cause he plays toon link =]

 

[copacetic]

If you do a laggy move on the ground (missed grab or something), and your opponent tried to punish you with a projectile, is it better to shield or not press anything? Basically, does the hero's shield come out as fast as putting your shield up would? I always press R as soon as I can in these situations, but if the hero's shield came out faster or at the same time it'd be a lot easier to punish the opponent

 

[iRjOn]

Ehh Shield the Hyrulian Shield is too low sometimes.

 

[Sosuke]

True.

Duck to block Ice Climber's Ice blocks. =P

 

[Tiersr4Queers]

What's better off using
Jump Cancelled Thrw
Boost Tossing(Reverse)(up)(Fwrd)

 

[oOJaseOo]

JC throw id say

 

[Shadow Moth]

Definitely JC throw.

 

[Tiersr4Queers]

I couldn't agree moar. I actually trained my *** off last nite performing it. Its way to risky 4 our boy. Altho I can peform it better with link. :\ toon link I keep blowing myself up and rarely performing the boost tossing.

 

[iRjOn]

Look at it this way when Link boost tosses forward he can follow up why? because his bombs hitbox is smaller = he can get closer.
When we boost toss we get hit our bombs hitbox is bigger than Links and will hit us.
JCT Links jump is short and thus his JCT sux.
Toon Link jumps high its beautiful too.
And so we can JCT and our bombs hitbox will be gone while the opponet is in hitstun.

But ehh this is all my opinion hasn't been tested but what I gather from looking at the two techniques.

 

[damezguy]

what is the best way to kill someone at high percents? i normally bair but find it hard to get into this postion, and when my usmash is blocked, im usually punished. also i try not to dair someone off stage at this point, not worth the risk.

 

[iRjOn]

Look At my guide it tells all of Toon Links kill moves and such

 

[Barge]

Up-smash, uptilt (higher percentages), fsmash on HEAVIES. Fair, upair, dair spikes.

 

[oOJaseOo]

what is the best way to kill someone at high percents? i normally bair but find it hard to get into this postion, and when my usmash is blocked, im usually punished. also i try not to dair someone off stage at this point, not worth the risk.

You just gotta be patient mate and be creative

 

[Power of Slash]

Is there ANY way to stop my Z button from airdodging and actually have it do Zairs?

It's quite annoying when I'm about to hit the ground, knowing a kill move is coming, to find that my Z button suddenly decides it doesn't feel like Zairing, and R + A isn't quick enough in this situation.

 

[iRjOn]

Nope its a glitch in the Shield+Attack command of the z button
If you hold it on ground you may shield. lol
So just press z and if you see a air dodge then press a
Thats what I do.

 

[Power of Slash]

my problem is, is that I want to throw out a Zair 'right' before I hit the ground, so this wouldn't warrant enough time for an airdodge -> Zair. would it?

 

[iRjOn]

Nope you just gotta deal with it.
:\
Sorry
I thought you meant zair the ledge didn't read the last part my bad lol.
:]

 

[oOJaseOo]

I think the thing to do would be to not try zair