Toon Link Inquiry Thread (Ask a question, get an answer)

[Sosuke]

Yes .

 

[DCStyle]

Yes .

So you could technically bomb pull, sh zair, bomb throw, sh bomb pull arrow cancel, and continue? O.o

 

[Sosuke]

....Ummm thats unrelated.

But yeah, if you feel the need to do so.

 

[DCStyle]

....Ummm thats unrelated.

But yeah, if you feel the need to do so.

Whoops. Lol. I got lost in thoughts and didn't finish.

I was wondering if we could learn how to time the bombs well enough to do some gimpable combos off the stage, using the blast of the bomb to regenerate your up b.

 

[Sosuke]

Dude, this isn't Link.
We don't need crap like that. Our recovery doesn't suck.

Unless your going for like, an inch away from the blast zone (which you shouldn't be, because you might just get yourself gimped instead), then you can just use Nair/ whatever to gimp and then double jump and Up-B.

 

[DCStyle]

Dude, this isn't Link.
We don't need crap like that. Our recovery doesn't suck.

Unless your going for like, an inch away from the blast zone (which you shouldn't be, because you might just get yourself gimped instead), then you can just use Nair/ whatever to gimp and then double jump and Up-B.

Eh, I was thinking more of a horizontal gimp rather than a vertical, but then again, disregard it. I think of weird situations/scenarios.

 

[Darktemplio]

I think I mightve asked this already...not sure and im too lazy to check

but does anyone know why the boomerang doesnt return in yoshis and lylat? it also happens in some of the counterpicks. It does return sometimes but most of the time it just kinda disappears...

 

[copacetic]

If you're close enough to the ground when you throw the boomerang, it won't return to you even if it hits. You can do that on any stage if you time the throw when off the ledge, but on stages with tilts and hills you can toss one from the ground and it won't return, depending on where you are.

 

[iRjOn]

I think I mightve asked this already...not sure and im too lazy to check

but does anyone know why the boomerang doesnt return in yoshis and lylat? it also happens in some of the counterpicks. It does return sometimes but most of the time it just kinda disappears...

Dont worry about it after it goes off you can use it again so nothing bad really just no returning rang mindgames not too bad.

 

[Darktemplio]

Dont worry about it after it goes off you can use it again so nothing bad really just no returning rang mindgames not too bad.

thing is some of my gameplay relies on the returning boomerang and when it doesnt come back, I end up getting mind gamed :\

 

[iRjOn]

thing is some of my gameplay relies on the returning boomerang and when it doesnt come back, I end up getting mind gamed :\

Thats why you dont base yourself off of a returning rang...
:\
Follow up if possible.

 

[ImpactAR]

I might make a video guide pointing out some solid tactics I found to be practical. People on the forums want a quick easy answer to winning and don't want to read my detailed explainations. If there are people who care for it. Then again I don't see the point of sharing my tactics anymore.

 

[iRjOn]

D:
I read them!!!
Dont you dare stop!
They help me determine moves usefullness!
Khai NUUUU!!!!
D:

 

[Disfunkshunal]

thing is some of my gameplay relies on the returning boomerang and when it doesnt come back, I end up getting mind gamed :\

like irjon said dont make yhe returning boomerang your whole game plan but dont ignor it either

Okay, so I'm looking at boomerangs a bit.

This will be slightly unpredictable for those who are inexperienced with these boomerang paths.
But they're not really that unpredictable.
The boomerang should not be used primarily for these paths, but for just hitting with the throw rather than the return. These paths are sort of like quickdraw, not suitable alone but good to fit in.

Unless we can find a way to change the trajectory dramatically when the boomerang is behind us.

The two main ways I'm looking at changing the boomerang path are:
Jumping over it as it comes back. (JUMP OVER)
Jumping, then letting it come over you as it comes back. (JUMP AND FALL)

Fast falling after you jump over makes an effect. (FAST FALL AFTER)

It also depends on wether you use short hop or full hop (SH) (FH)

There's a lot of timing stuff, so the possibilities I list here aren't all that you can do.
For example there's this weird thing that happens

Throw it upwards JUMP OVER. FAST FALL AFTER. It makes a straight line. Good for hitting behind you in a straight line.

Throw it upwards JUMP OVER. It makes a shallow U-shape.

Throw it upwards JUMP AND FALL. It goes past you and downwards in an arc.

Throw it upwards JUMP AND FALL THROUGH PLATFORM, it goes straight down behind you.

Throw it straight JUMP OVER, it goes behind you and up in an arc.

Throw it straight JUMP OVER SH. FAST FALL AFTER. Goes a bit up and then straight line.

Throw it straight JUMP AND FALL SH, it goes past you and downwards in an arc.

Throw it straight JUMP AND FALL FH, it goes past you and sort of an upside down U.

Throw it down JUMP OVER, it goes straight up behind you.

Throw it down JUMP AND FALL FH, it goes high over you and then goes in a straight line.

Throw it down JUMP AND FAL SH, it goes a bit over you and goes in an upside down shallow U shape.

Also full jump is really good for JUMP AND FALL

On a side note unrelated to projectiles,
fair can be used to send people backwards if TL touches the opponent with his body hitbox. It's not really good because it's not the sword, but w/e. The best use for this is when you're hanging on the edge, and you need to send someone off the edge but you're facing the wrong direction.
And it's probably known.

dont give up faith impact

 

[Power of Slash]

kk, so. My edgeguarding is quite horrible, and I don't know how to go about doing it.

how do you guys edgeguard? any tips of the sort?

 

[Sosuke]

Nair.
Just predict how they're going to recover. Easy stuff.

You can't go wrong. =D

 

[Jim Morrison]

I get hit offstage and a Falcon follows me to get in a knee. I airdodge or F-air :O?

 

[Sosuke]

Fair.

>=D

lol, if you have time to pull a bomb out, air dodge.

 

[ImpactAR]

In general if your opponent has a good repeatable move off the edge it's better to try to counter or they'll be able to spam that aerial and punish if you Air Dodge the first swing. However, TL has good counter option if you don't have the time to Fair counter for whatever reason (and since the Nair may be too short of a range in this case). Try Air Dodging your opponent's attack and Zair him/her away once you dodge the attack.

 

[Sosuke]

Chip also does that thing where he throws a bomb away from the stage and then jumps backwards so he can use Bair when recovering.

Smart idea.

 

[TheJerm]

I dont think he jumps sasuke. He just throws the bomb. Jumping for no reason would be a waste.

 

[Sosuke]

Well he jumps if he still has a jump? >.>

Why not use it?

 

[Ashraf23]

Is there any advantage to pivot grabbing?

 

[fusiongtxz]

Okay so you know how if you b-stick an arrow you go dashing backwards? Well I manipulated that without any b-stick settings... Is this usefull?

 

[Shadow Moth]

Is there any advantage to pivot grabbing?

You slide when you pivot grab, so it's good if you're on the retreat. You shouldn't really be grabbing anyway unless you're sure it'll land.

 

[Power of Slash]

ok I'm unsure if I can ask here, but I don't know where else so I'll just go ahead.

I would like for somebody to evaluate my TL before I head off to this tourney on Saturday, basically see what I'm missing, what I'm doing wrong all that stuff. I just want to make sure I'm fully prepared to do well. just PM me if you can.

If this doesn't belong in here than can someone redirect me to what thread I should go to.

Most likely my matches at the tourney will be recorded, so I'll be posting those up in the video critique thread.

 

[Sosuke]

Is there any advantage to pivot grabbing?

mind games.

Also, "Dthrow -> dash -> pivot grab" works.

ok I'm unsure if I can ask here, but I don't know where else so I'll just go ahead.

I would like for somebody to evaluate my TL before I head off to this tourney on Saturday, basically see what I'm missing, what I'm doing wrong all that stuff. I just want to make sure I'm fully prepared to do well. just PM me if you can.

If this doesn't belong in here than can someone redirect me to what thread I should go to.

Most likely my matches at the tourney will be recorded, so I'll be posting those up in the video critique thread.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=220697
post videos of yourself here.

 

[Barge]

Okay so you know how if you b-stick an arrow you go dashing backwards? Well I manipulated that without any b-stick settings... Is this usefull?

Yes, because you don't have to change your controller schemes, it's rather easy anyways.
I do it alot with ice climbers :D

 

[iRjOn]

Okay so you know how if you b-stick an arrow you go dashing backwards? Well I manipulated that without any b-stick settings... Is this usefull?

B-sticking with Toon Link isn't that useful.
But b-sticking arrows to help retreat is great.
If you can master it with arrows by all means go for it.

 

[Darktemplio]

Is there a way to "cancel" the second hit in the Fsmash?

Like, say an opponent is running at you. you Fsmash and the opponent jumps over you and thats when you press up on the c-stick and instead of Usmash you end up getting the second hit of the Fsmash.

Is there a way to avoid this?

 

[Disfunkshunal]

you have to wait a little while before the second hit is cancelled

 

[Power of Slash]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=220697
post videos of yourself here.

that's the thing, I don't have any videos of myself or else I would have D:

I was stating that the tourney on Saturday, I'll have a recording device then, and then after that I'll post some up in the video critique thread. but I'd like some in advance before I head to that tourney =o

 

[Sosuke]

How can we evaluate your TL if we haven't seen it? <_<

 

[Darktemplio]

you have to wait a little while before the second hit is cancelled

yea i was just wondering is there was a way to cancel it on the spot. also, by looking at toon links feet you can tell whether hes done, or hes gonna do the second attack.

 

[Power of Slash]

How can we evaluate your TL if we haven't seen it? <_<

by playing it =o

that's what the whole PM thing was about, I appologize if I wasn't clear enough.

 

[Darktemplio]

by playing it =o

that's what the whole PM thing was about, I appologize if I wasn't clear enough.

ill rate your toon link if you want cuz sasukebowser is all the way in california :\
I dont post much in the toon link boards but trust me, I know what Im doing

 

[iRjOn]

yea i was just wondering is there was a way to cancel it on the spot. also, by looking at toon links feet you can tell whether hes done, or hes gonna do the second attack.

Just wait till he takes his shield off his back that part I think has IASA frames then you can do something.
But I wouldn't advice upsmash as a followup to frist hit fsmash.
Better follow you would be utilt less punishable.

 

[damezguy]

is it bad to be spamming projectiles hard? like the guy i mainly play is a good olimar so i use alot of bombs and he moaned that i used 5 ina row but i racked up like 30% damage. i also use boomerang when possible, when falling or off stage and this is mainly to move someone and to rack up light amounts of percent. i only use arrow when fully charged when i know i will get the hit, not that often.

 

[Formerly Lore]

I have trouble telling when Toony is done with the first bit of the Fsmash too ^__^;

I dont usually play 1vs1 so all my videos are mostly wi-fi battles http://www.youtube.com/user/Holodiction

tell me what Im doing wrong!

 

[Formerly Lore]

oh yes I have a question um, whats your setup on the GC controller? I usually use the wii mote but since I keep running out of batteries I figure learning the GCC would be more economical.

I have X as special Y as shield and B as Grab and the rest are default. Its horribly bulky compared to the Wiimote and Im having a hard time with it. thats the only config I can work with so I hope someone can set me up better.