Tier List Speculation

[leelue]

DK is at least better than Charizard now that he does nearly everything the lizard does better. Why time a D-smash into fair to kill at 100% when you have access to a character that can do a larger, less strict Down B into fair and kill at 80%?

I give him a B+

Dk does make most big, projectile-less characters look like bad DKs. Poor Ganon can only chokeslam but so much.

dk down b into up smash might be the death i've died the most.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Apparently PM is so incredibly awesome that the tier list should defy logic by having only a top and a middle but no bottom.

This is correct. It's like one of those lizards that shed their tail.

Only the tail is Charizard's 2.1 Nair.

 

[Strong Badam]

but cargo uthrow fair

 

[leelue]

Eli didn't learn that til pms 1

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Surprised that people don't have Wario up high these days. He's a really good character.

 

[DMG]

People forgot that like 80% of the character got buffed and still have too much of a boner for Mario and Pit and etc

 

[Kink-Link5]

I have Wario up fairly high, in 13/34. Strong Bad has him listed the highest I've seen (9th).

 

[Juushichi]

Wario has been a top-10 character for the longest time and no one wanted to believe me.

But I mean Marth with his sword of +1 disjoint will stop him. Meanwhile no one else will. :x

 

[Giygacoal]

How do you spoiler tag on this new system?

S
Falco
Fox

A
Sheik
Wolf
Pit
Zero
Peach
Mario
Snake
Meta Knight

B
Diddy Kong
Wario
Sonic
Donkey Kong
Marth
Charizard
Ike
Link
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
Bowser
Lucario

C
Captain Falcon
Zelda
Luigi
Ness
Toon Link
Ganondorf
Mr. Game and Watch
Ivysaur
Squirtle (I have no idea how he plays these days though.)

 

[SpiderMad]

It's Collapse now

I'm thinking of some kind of bet or way to make leelue pesos off of people mistakenly putting Ivysaur in bottom tier

 

[Giygacoal]

^ It's kind of an arbitrary decision of mine to be honest. Not sure if other people actually think she's worthy of low tier though. I think she's great, just more situational (moveset-wise) than someone like LOLMarth

 

[dettadeus]

ROB got buffs but apparently he's still not good enough to even be put on lists

 

[DMG]

Buffs what where

Last I heard were changes and "things"

I kinda trust Oracle opinion on ROB and he seemed displeased

 

[dettadeus]

That's because Oracle has a really awkward playstyle compared to most other ROBs. It works for him apparently?
I really liked the changes when I played it at EVO, but since I only got like 6 or 7 hours of friendlies in I would have to actually do some more tournament stuff with him to make a stronger opinion. And I can't get back to my Wii until like Saturday.

 

[DMG]

AKA the correct playstyle of mcpoopin on everyone

Jcesrsalad does the same thing but with Ranch instead of awesome sauce

 

[dettadeus]

I'm sure eventually someone will figure out that there's a chunk of frames where ROB can't do anything if he's spamming sideb and that if you hit him out of his air dashdance he basically has no recovery.

Truth be told I wanna play Oracle, maybe I can get games in with him at Whobo if I go?

 

[Jolteon]

Wario is really good.

 

[SpiderMad]

AKA the correct playstyle of mcpoopin on everyone

Jcesrsalad does the same thing but with Ranch instead of awesome sauce

It's always the small things, the majority never notices what made the character deeper than they can understand

 

[Yung Mei]

goddammit DMG i laughed really hard at JCaesarsalad

 

[leelue]

****ing people put ivysaur in bottom tier what that character is completely ****ed up right now. 2.1 Ike status furreal.

 

[KingClubber]

LOL. Calm down leelue, it's just they're opinion.

 

[Yung Mei]

pretty bad opinion

 

[9bit]

How do you spoiler tag on this new system?

S
Falco
Fox

A
Sheik
Wolf
Pit
Zero
Peach
Mario
Snake
Meta Knight

B
Diddy Kong
Wario
Sonic
Donkey Kong
Marth
Charizard
Ike
Link
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
Bowser
Lucario

C
Captain Falcon
Zelda
Luigi
Ness
Toon Link
Ganondorf
Mr. Game and Watch
Ivysaur
Squirtle (I have no idea how he plays these days though.)

 

[Giygacoal]

^ Lol damn. Okay, ROB is right below Link, and Dedede is right below Luigi. Wow, I need to try Dedede more. Thanks for double reminding me.

 

[Archangel]

no particular order to the characters. I'm simply grouping characters atm.

S(hrinking tier...meaning characters are getting nerfed out of it. but still some left)
Fox
Falco
Peach
Pit
Mario
Sheik/Zelda

A(ble to win tournaments but slightly worse in MU's compared to the S-tiers)
Link
DK
Lucas
Snake
Wolf
Diddy
ROB
Metaknight
Ivy
Jigglypuff
Ike

B(etter than given credit but overall missing compared to the very best characters)
Bowser
Wario
DDD
ROB
Ness
Ganon
Captain Falcon
GnW
Luigi
Pikachu


C(ould be better but still put up a good fight overall
Sonic
Toon Link
ZSS
Squirtle
Lucario
Charizard

 

[theindievisual]

Can someone please explain to me why ZSS keeps ending up near the top of the list?
I've been playing her a lot, and I can see that she's tricky, but she gets ko'd at like 80% and can't seem to get an honest kill before 110%.

And her only kill options are fair, bair or fsmash, and they're definitely not what you'd call strong by any means.
Going out for gimps seems insanely risky too, given that downB gives no vertical recovery unless you saved your jump.


I'm definitely no expert though, just trying to figure out this ZSS hype train and get better.

 

[Archangel]

if ZSS could Air dodge - Tether grab she'd be S tier.... I don't have her very high at all. She can play tricky but overall I see her as being about as good as Melee's link. Just in a faster, sexier, and more agile package.

 

[theindievisual]

I think she's one solid kill move away from being S tier; her wavedash is superb and recovery is pretty strong barring all the SDs from failed gimps. No sex kick and tiny hitboxes (aside from nair and fsmash) makes her feel kind of tedious to succeed with.

They could make paralyzed chars take extra KB and buff the paralyzer charge/lag/hitstun?

 

[Juushichi]

I think Charizard is a pretty strong character personally.

 

[dettadeus]

no particular order to the characters. I'm simply grouping characters atm.

S(hrinking tier...meaning characters are getting nerfed out of it. but still some left)
-snip-

A(ble to win tournaments but slightly worse in MU's compared to the S-tiers)
-snip-
ROB
-snip-

B(etter than given credit but overall missing compared to the very best characters)
-snip-
ROB
-snip-


C(ould be better but still put up a good fight overall
-snip-

In two places. Much better than none.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

no particular order to the characters. I'm simply grouping characters atm.

wheres marf

 

[Strong Badam]

Surprised that people don't have Wario up high these days. He's a really good character.

He's soooooo good.

LOL. Calm down leelue, it's just they're opinion.

it's just they are opinion

 

[Professor Pro]

Surprised that people don't have Wario up high these days. He's a really good character.

He's good, but he's no Snake

 

[Archangel]

no particular order to the characters. I'm simply grouping characters atm.

S(hrinking tier...meaning characters are getting nerfed out of it. but still some left)
Fox
Falco
Peach
Pit
Mario
Sheik/Zelda

A(ble to win tournaments but slightly worse in MU's compared to the S-tiers)
Link
DK
Lucas
Snake
Wolf
Diddy
Marth
Metaknight
Ivy
Jigglypuff
Ike

B(etter than given credit but overall missing compared to the very best characters)
Bowser
Wario
DDD
ROB
Ness
Ganon
Captain Falcon
GnW
Luigi
Pikachu


C(ould be better but still put up a good fight overall
Sonic
Toon Link
ZSS
Squirtle
Lucario
Charizard

fixed

 

[Raccoon Chuck]

Can we just settle down and wait for some early MetaGame to develop before ranking the individual potential of characters?.........I thought not.

High Tier(No particular order.)
Fox
Falco
Lucas
Wario
GnW
Mario
Luigi
Samus
Marth
Tails
Pit
Peach
Bowser
Rob
Sanic
Ike
Link
C.Falcon
Ganon
Dr.Mario
Zelduh............................................

 

[MrBigstuff]

I'll take a shot at this.

1. Fox cuz melee
2. Falco cuz melee
3. Whichever new character threatens the spacies and will get nerfed to Mehrunes Dagon next patch.
4. Everyone else

 

[MVP]

how come people think falco is better than fox in PM? their builds are exactly the same as melee's

 

[Strong Badam]

because falco is better than fox in Melee

 

[MVP]

because falco is better than fox in Melee

but fox won evo

 

[Strong Badam]

so ice climbers are 2nd best character in the game? we can do this tourney results = tier list bull**** all day....