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they really dont
as an old/insensitive person that is routinely forced to be more politically correct, they just dont
talking to college age people is such a chore sometimes
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Tier List Speculation
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as an old/insensitive person that is routinely forced to be more politically correct, they just dont
talking to college age people is such a chore sometimes
ChiePet
*~About That BASS.~*
Idk, reffering back to the discussion about RNG It felt both tense and hostile when Peach's RNG came into play; I can't find the right words to explain why other than "Project Melee = because melee" it should never change but I never responded because I felt every statement would just be 'counter attacked' and it's all opinions :/
College kids can be pretty condescending, being one myself, I do everything I can to not be like them.
steelguttey
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then who the **** cares what they think, theres no point in talking to them anyway
DrinkingFood
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Off topic, but it's rarely as simple as "don't talk to people who think with their emotions"
Sometimes they find their way into important positions and you are forced to deal with them
Sometimes they find their way into important positions and you are forced to deal with them
Ah, I remember college.
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DrinkingFood
You have any thoughts on the ROB : Peach match up? I feel like ROB kind of wins the camping game here, but I don't really know what other components would come into play in the MU.
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You have any thoughts on the ROB : Peach match up? I feel like ROB kind of wins the camping game here, but I don't really know what other components would come into play in the MU.
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DrinkingFood
Smash Hero
I've only played one peach who was above average but no top tier peaches who would show me what peach can do to ROB if pushed as far as possible
My first instinct would be to say it's whatever degree of disadvantageous for peach, but I can't say I know how the characters' nuances would interact to give a detailed analysis of it
My first instinct would be to say it's whatever degree of disadvantageous for peach, but I can't say I know how the characters' nuances would interact to give a detailed analysis of it
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Tbh most of the OoS players coming from sandstorm are from socal (for PM). its going to be very similar to Dehydration in terms of entrants. M2k/Armada are entering dobules but not singles, leffen entering Smash 4.
We might see peach/shiek with ForteFreak, whos good but not super great, but no Tinks entering (SS is focusing on Smash 4) and none of our m2s entered
Axe, IPK, Westballz, Silly Kyle, Medz, Neon, Hungrybox, Mach, Oksas, Forward, Vixen, GV7, ForteFreak, Chip, Sneez ,Oxy.2Jar
edit: Ohhh Tristan's Rule from socal is coming, so theres one Toon Link/Link main who might run into peaches
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ChiePet
*~About That BASS.~*
Ohh ****, totally reminded me that in both Melee and PM that Silly Kyle's partnering with HBox. That will be something to see. I knew about M2K and Armada but every time I see them not enter PM singles (or more so, whenever I see Armada playing Melee and NOT using Peach) It urks me so badly.
Mario is still obnoxious as all hell. I mean, it's not that he's broken/op/buzzword or anything, but god is he annoying as hell to fight on platformless stages. You can't recover from high or you get caped, said cape can turn you in shield...eh.
Can't really say anything on the Peach/Oli MU (or anything about her) as I've never faced one before, but at least she can edgeguard him with runoff nair or something, me thinks.
Can't really say anything on the Peach/Oli MU (or anything about her) as I've never faced one before, but at least she can edgeguard him with runoff nair or something, me thinks.
ChiePet
*~About That BASS.~*
If I remember correctly, and obviously even with slight changes to either its a different story now, but I saw a 3.02 or a 2.6b vid of Bladewise vs. JCaeser and I feel the MU considering both's Pros and Cons I saw while watching the MU seems a flat 50:50, even. Currently, though, I reeeaally wanna see it again in 3.5/3.6.
Agreed on Mario. Lol.
Also for Olimar I'm pretty sure she wins that MU, at least 60:40 but I'll have to rewatch an old video I have downloaded on the cpu at home; same as the ROB MU though, old set/vid means any changes to either make the MU mostly invalid. I'm curious about this as well.
I really Really want Silly Kyle and HBox to play a set against each other this weekend; Puff was a Rough in Melee for Peach, and Jiggz has recieved nothing but a hard time in PM so I really want to re-view this MU under the eyes of 3.5/3.6.
steelguttey
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oli vs peach is a bleh matchup
im nearly positive its even just because pikmin throw is so effective against her
im nearly positive its even just because pikmin throw is so effective against her
Juushichi
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Roy's Up-B looks like it's been tweaked and I think Lunchables said his D-tilt was slightly nerfed. I also didn't notice any ICs changes in the trailer. I'm pretty sure the turnaround bug will be removed but I don't see them being better than low-mid tier unless there are more changes. Given that the Roy and Olimar changes are all we know for sure, I'm going to say Squirtle will be better now that Roy is slightly worse.
I'll definitely check that out. I've never seen Cruzycakes, but I know Gallo is pretty good. I also thought Gallo was somewhere in the North Pacific region.
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midway through the trailer you see dtilt being used and it doesnt hit samus the same as 3.5 dtilt does. that doesnt tell us if the tip hit was made different from the blade hit, since atm the tip of dtilt also sweetspots, or if the knockback properties were simply changed entirely, or both. the trailer also has no % showing so the speculation is basically moot to begin with. up b is also in the video but i cant tell any way of differentiating it from the current one.
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The Baron
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didn't they say that they weren't going to make enough balance changes to call this a major change anyway? Though with all the olimar and IC stuff (and by that I mean fixing that dumb glitch), it still seems pretty significant in terms of patches
ChiePet
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Aesthetics aside, if 3.6 isn't recieving any major balance chances, whyyys it taking so loonnngg DD;
The Baron
Smash Apprentice
They wanted to see what it was like to operate under valve time, an experiment that will eventually cost them greatly. Soon alongside half life 3 jokes there will be project m 3.6 jokes. Worse, they may get hired by valve the day before they planned to release 3.6, and gabe, in all his glory, forces them to delay project m 3.6 until half life 3 comes out, postponing the update indefinitely. A sad day it will be.
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So back on topic, wolf makes me so sad as a spacie. everyone has noticed that he's pretty damn good, but I feel like he won't be played because no one wants to put in the effort to develop a third spacie when the other two are pretty solidified in addition to the fact that wolf is kind of a jank spacie. I mean crouch cancelling shines and years of landing lag on his up b. What the hell is this balance bs PMDT. How dare you do your best to make a fun interesting character from the ground up and then have the audacity to try and balance him to make him good but not overbearing, having clear weaknesses to exploit. Shame on you.
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But for real, why are wolfs recovery options so meh in comparison to fax and flaco though theirs are also admittedly meh but they can at least recover high fairly safely. (Don't change falcos though, he needs it)
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The only thing I really don't like at all about Wolf's recovery is using Flash always depletes a jump. If you get knocked away before you touch the stage, you (depending on what you're hit with but 9 times out of 10) have to rely on his up b, which I've heard doesn't have as many angles and firefox/bird (idk if thats tru though), as well as having a sucky hitbox and plenty of lag.
JOE!
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Clearly the solution is to give Fox and falco wolf-level recovery
The Baron
Smash Apprentice
The wall of pain is so real when you have to up b. I die a little everytime I'm forced to use it. Though I didn't know about the angles part which would explain why it just goes straight up sometimes when I think I'm pointing at the right angle, slight left or right of up, right, down and left.
fox yes. Falco no.
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Maybe they just figured that they wanted to add more to this update, so 3.6 has been canceled and now we have to wait for 4.0.
I think I just had Gallo confused with another Mario player. Does CruzyCakes still play? I haven't been able to find any videos of him in 3.5.
eideeiit
Smash Ace
He got 13th at Shots fired singles and 5th in teams with Gurukid.
jtm94
Smash Lord
Mario is the hype train. I can support him now that this version happened, it feels good.
You gotta look out for his younger brother though, he's coming for the #1 spot.
You gotta look out for his younger brother though, he's coming for the #1 spot.
Life
Smash Hero
Yeah, the Luigi "hype" train is running strong here <_< #legendofjohnahue
TheGravyTrain
Smash Ace
Isn't Gallo trying to (or has) switched to Pit so it doesn't mess up his Sm4sh Mario (or is it the other way around, Pit in Sm4sh).
He's bringing Mario back. He doesn't really play S4.
PlateProp
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Water > Ph1r3 though... 
JOE!
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Random spacie tone down:
What if you could only JC grounded shines?
What if you could only JC grounded shines?
Too drastic, having Shine's behave like melee is how we got project m in the first place.
JOE!
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so it's ok to radically change specials on other melee vets (ganon) or totally redesign others (brawl) and even add new layers to vets (samus), but changing one part of shine is drastic, k.
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To explain myself here, I don't see it changing their playstyles too much based on how their shines operate mid-air anyways. Falco I think has Shine-Bair, Fox has the Shine Spike, and so on, but 90% of shines I ever see are done on the ground. So for the majority of times it wouldn't be noticed but if a spacie messes up and shines in the air close to the ground, they will have to wait to land to jump out else naturally let go of shine. This would make shine spiking a smidge riskier and I guess just make precision even more important.
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To explain myself here, I don't see it changing their playstyles too much based on how their shines operate mid-air anyways. Falco I think has Shine-Bair, Fox has the Shine Spike, and so on, but 90% of shines I ever see are done on the ground. So for the majority of times it wouldn't be noticed but if a spacie messes up and shines in the air close to the ground, they will have to wait to land to jump out else naturally let go of shine. This would make shine spiking a smidge riskier and I guess just make precision even more important.
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Scuba Steve
Smash Ace
but shine bair is so cool
JOE!
Smash Hero
So were tons of things characters have had changed from version to version of PM but they deal with it.
nimigoha
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Fox and Falco play exactly like they do in Melee despite their nerfs. They gain DACUS and RAR and B reverse but taking something away from them (as opposed to toning down damage or knockback) is a bad idea.
Shine Bair is really good for Falco and styling AF for Fox, Shine Dair also good for Falco (even though easy to DI out of).
http://www.gfycat.com/AlarmingIncomparableAmericancicada
This is why JC shine is the bomb.
Taking this out wouldn't make Fox and Falco measurably worse. It takes away one of their options, which they can replace with others. Gutting a character's identity for the sake of it, without improving them, seems baseless.
Shine Bair is really good for Falco and styling AF for Fox, Shine Dair also good for Falco (even though easy to DI out of).
http://www.gfycat.com/AlarmingIncomparableAmericancicada
This is why JC shine is the bomb.
Taking this out wouldn't make Fox and Falco measurably worse. It takes away one of their options, which they can replace with others. Gutting a character's identity for the sake of it, without improving them, seems baseless.