Tier List Speculation

[Mr.Random]

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I totally agree with this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6sxFBm1P8

No

 

[Hinichii.ez.™]

How is Pit's neutral anything less than stellar when he has a great DD, a glide that functions as an airdash that can be initiated from the ground out of a DD, arrows and a reflector for encouraging almost everyone to approach him, and multiple aerial jumps and moderately disjointed aerials? His grab may not have great reach, that never stopped falcon from landing grabs, and pit has more going for him than falcon.
Only thing I really see that would hold pit back is the lack of lingering aerials.

Zero believes it's rather weak. He doesn't go into detail about it, but I believe he knows more about Pit than most.

 

[Problem2]

All PM Players think their main's weaknesses are bigger than they really are.

 

[JesseMcCloud]

No

Your logic is unattainable, good sir.

 

[Pickledpotatoes]

I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but I totally agree with this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR6sxFBm1P8

That is intolerant towards my race, gender and family.

 

[steelguttey]

all competitive videogame players think the character they play sucks, it just comes with the character.

 

[MLGF]

Who knows a characters weaknesses better then the people who play him?

 

[steelguttey]

Who knows a characters weaknesses better then the people who play him?

Chudat.

 

[Ace55]

Who knows a characters weaknesses better then the people who play him?

And who would be most prone to act like said weaknesses are bigger then they really are?

 

[Iceman]

Where do people usually put Lucario on the tier list?

 

[mimgrim]

From what I have seen, it is usually around mid tier.

Personally, though, I would put Lucario in high tier.

 

[FlamingForce]

He's definitely on the better end of viable imo.

 

[Soft Serve]

Who knows a characters weaknesses better then the people who play him?

People who play against and beat said character frequently.

 

[1FD]

^People who do both and do both with all characters.

 

[Ali Baba 177]

Soo back to speculating.. I think the most controversial statuses are Sonic, Ness and G+W and maybe Peach and Roy. What are your opinions on these characters??

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

All mid tier. Peach is close to high.

 

[FlamingForce]

Ness is mid tier, he struggles in the neutral game but is pretty good otherwise.
I have extremely mixed feelings about Roy but I definitely want to put him on the higher end of the mid tier at the very least.

I don't play any others, peach is pretty bad in PM imo.

 

[Oracle]

Ness is good all ness players but one are awful so you couldnt tell.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Ness is mid tier, he struggles in the neutral game but is pretty good otherwise.
I have extremely mixed feelings about Roy but I definitely want to put him on the higher end of the mid tier at the very least.

I don't play any others, peach is pretty bad in PM imo.

What combination of survivability, good power, good anti-CC game and the ability to stomp any recovery in the game save maybe 2 makes her bad?

 

[shadow0x0cloud]

What combination of survivability, good power, good anti-CC game and the ability to stomp any recovery in the game save maybe 2 makes her bad?

Well for one, she's not fox.

 

[steelguttey]

Ness is good all ness players but one are awful so you couldnt tell.

if youre talking about bryanato i wouldnt know because every time i see him play i lose myself looking at him

i just like roys combos d-tilt is such a fun move

 

[Scuba Steve]

if youre talking about bryanato i wouldnt know because every time i see him play i lose myself looking at him

i just like roys combos d-tilt is such a fun move

I don't know if you're joking or not, but he's talking about Awestin, who's easily the best Ness main out there right now.

 

[steelguttey]

I don't know if you're joking or not, but he's talking about Awestin, who's easily the best Ness main out there right now.

doesnt he main earthbound, not just ness?

EDIT: nope im stupid disregard this

 

[FlamingForce]

What combination of survivability, good power, good anti-CC game and the ability to stomp any recovery in the game save maybe 2 makes her bad?

She's a bit of a slow character with little to no reach overall, characters like Link/Tink can stuff her ranged game pretty hard because they're simply better at it and keep her out with their swords.
I think "Bad" was a bad choice of words, I don't consider her high tier is all.

I love your sig btw.

 

[jtm94]

Peach is still incredibly scary. I hate her recovery SO MUCH. And downsmash dealing in upwards of 30 is scary.

 

[Soft Serve]

she also gets things off of her D-throw that she couldn't before. DI one way and she gets a re-grab, DI the other and she gets a DACUS. FC Fair is still safe on shield and can be done with turnip in hand to still have all new Item tech options.

PM characters also despise CCing, and CC-dsmash is still godlike.

 

[JOE!]

*hears discussion about peach being scary*

*Is a Zard Main*


I dont get it...

 

[Axxo]

Hey yall, I been practicing like crazy, the only thing on my my is going for the best,
do things no one has ever seen, check out some of my matches before the tourney, you wont be disappointed

http://www.twitch.tv/houstongameguys/b/531529369

 

[DrinkingFood]

Can confirm, axxo's DK is pretty impressive

 

[JOE!]

But is it as good as POOB?

 

[Ali Baba 177]

So I am putting together the results of the survey of your current opinions on character tier speculation this next week. If you havent voted then vote now!
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/RWGZZVB
I will post the results this week!

 

[Empyrean]

Okay so legitimate question. Anyone have an idea of what Lucas' weaknesses are?

 

[9bit]

He, uh... like, sometimes um... I guess his tether doesn't go the length of FD. So there's that.

 

[Radical Larry]

He, uh... like, sometimes um... I guess his tether doesn't go the length of FD. So there's that.

A weakness could be that Lucas is unable to defend against physical projectiles (Link or Toon Link) and that he is still lightweight and floaty, which can lead him into bad situations. But let's face it, Lucas has a very short amount of shortcomings for a short attacker with short range and short speed.

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

Lucas is not a floaty.

Source: Ganon d-throw

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, Lucas is a very powerful characters with few weakness, but he DOES have weaknesses. As a fastfaller he's susceptible to a variety of chain grabs/grab followups from a variety of characters. He has a hard time dealing with pressure (that's why fighting spacies is rough for him) and, while Tether is good, it DOES have vulnerability that can be taken advantage of.

I look forward to people learning to edgeguard Lucas (Because it IS possible) as the game goes on because I like learning new ways to get back. Still expect him to get nerfed in some way even though I think he's perfectly reasonable.

 

[9bit]

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, Lucas is a very powerful characters with few weakness, but he DOES have weaknesses. As a fastfaller he's susceptible to a variety of chain grabs/grab followups from a variety of characters. He has a hard time dealing with pressure (that's why fighting spacies is rough for him) and, while Tether is good, it DOES have vulnerability that can be taken advantage of.

I look forward to people learning to edgeguard Lucas (Because it IS possible) as the game goes on because I like learning new ways to get back. Still expect him to get nerfed in some way even though I think he's perfectly reasonable.

Oh that's interesting I didn't know he was a fastfaller.

I've seen K9 (as MK) do some good work recently edgeguarding against the tether, but it seems like a big guessing game most of the time. A Lucas he was fighting earlier tonight (or yesterday) was doing some amazing things releasing tether and using down-B, then re-tethering... type stuff.

 

[Rat]

Coming from a Wolf perspective, it's not worth it to edgeguard Lucas. The chance of getting downB'd when holding the ledge or jumping off stage is too great - Hitting PSI Magnet offstage kills Wolf.

It's okay to go out there if you're willing to gamble it all-in. But that's pretty infrequent.

That being said, I still want to experiment more against Lucas' recovery. Maybe there's some option coverage I'm missing.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

His grab is punishable, his dashdance and dash speed in general not that great, pk-frost has long startup making him lose projectile wars against projectile intensive characters. Lucas can also lose to spacing against certain characters. Also here I would say the neutral game for Lucas is the hardest part, especially "getting in the zone". He also needs more recovery options than for example spacies because it is easier to hit him.
Lucas is 9th fastest faller after Wolf, Falco, CF, Fox, Diddy, MK, DK and Roy, so he is a fastfaller, but not as much as spacies etc. I would say he is more like a medium-fast faller.
Also his fallspeed after initiating a fastfall is just around mid because it doesn't increase much with it.
His jump still acts like a fastfaller's short hop because DJC immediately reach apex and if you initiate fashfall afterwards you are on the ground quicker than most characters would.

EDIT: @ Rat
Ask Chillin, I bet he would still go out there

 

[TheLegendOfVenusaur]

That is intolerant towards my race, gender and family.

The video is intolerant towards my race, gender , family, sexuality, religion and friends.