illinialex24
Smash Hero
You seriously didn't know that?? That is so important... No shield degeneration or push.....
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The untapped potential of Shieldbreaker
- Thread starter Emblem Lord
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Kishin
Smash Ace
Whaatt? Doesn't a perfect shield just reduce the push and degeneration? Well, the degeneration is probably from just holding your shield for that half second but I remember shield breaking someone on the ledge and they PS'd it and fell off the ledge.
I suck too much at PS to test this by myself so...
This makes me want to do a montage of shield breaks
If only I could.
EDIT: Also, this thread needs more pics (preferably one shield breaking Ike). I know EL is gone now but couldn't someone else take over and add some new discoveries with Shield breaker? I heard you could ledge hop and charge Shield Breaker but I have never accomplished it. I use the other method of the side ledge hop -> reverse shield breaker for that.
I suck too much at PS to test this by myself so...
This makes me want to do a montage of shield breaks
If only I could.EDIT: Also, this thread needs more pics (preferably one shield breaking Ike). I know EL is gone now but couldn't someone else take over and add some new discoveries with Shield breaker? I heard you could ledge hop and charge Shield Breaker but I have never accomplished it. I use the other method of the side ledge hop -> reverse shield breaker for that.
TLMSheikant
Smash Master
Lol yesterday I shieldbreaked in a friendly and he was on the ledge and fell to his death. Shieldbreaker is awesome when u condition ur opponents to shield unless they PS it >_>.
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
IC can grab a shielded SB. I know......I know all to well.
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
No, i just didn't pay attention to the no shield push aspect of PS'ing. The no shield degeneration thing is a no brainer. It was a thing i didnt know i knew lol. I was trying to say more or less that instinct tells you to "shield" when u see an attack coming until you train yourself to override this command with "PS". Usually i focus more on powershielding things like projectiles since i dont trust the human reaction time: input time ratio.
@Omega:
****, and i thought we wanted our opponent to shield sheidbreaker >.<
Kishin
Smash Ace
Just tested it and PS does indeed have a tiny push.
illinialex24
Smash Hero
Nothing significant though I think. You can grab right out of a PS or do a DS OoS if you want.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Well, they can fall to the ledge though. Maybe if that happened when someone PS'd marth on the ledge, Marth may be quick enough to D-air spike?
Nexus Bond
Smash Apprentice
I haven't tested it, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen, since Marth has to deal with the lag of shieldbreaker and when the opponent falls onto the ledge he gets invincibility frames.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
SB isn't the only move with shield push. Maybe a D-tilt or a jab would be fast enough, but i don't think it would be that useful though. The chance of it happening is minimal.
And you can hit your opponent before they get on the ledge. Example: When DB'ing a shield near the edge, the first few hits will get shielded, but often some of the last hits do hit because your opponent is pushed off the ledge.
KRiMz0N
Smash Journeyman
isn't there a perfect shield and a perfect perfect shield
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
I don't know where you got that from, but there is no such thing as a PPS.
Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Well there is a power shield, and then a strong shield I guess. At least it seems that way.
WinjaSauce
Smash Rookie
Meh, back to the topic of shieldbreaker, in my last match with a friend i got 2-3 shield breakers in, each resulting in a fully charge Fsmash KO . Works well on people that like to hold shield a lot.
. Works well on people that like to hold shield a lot.
Snap(803)
Smash Apprentice
nah, man the side b is the best move in brawl. hands down.
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Too much Brawl+. "Perfect Perfect Shield" is what is the default in Brawl.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
Fully chaged SB is stronger, better go for that one.Meh, back to the topic of shieldbreaker, in my last match with a friend i got 2-3 shield breakers in, each resulting in a fully charge Fsmash KO
Fully charged tipper fsmash is actually just a little bit stronger .
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What about the Absolute frame perfect tip of the SB?Fully charged tipper fsmash is actually just a little bit stronger
Wait. What. Explain.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
I know but tippering that thing is annoying as **** lol. Also if you miss it, you don't have time to charge anything again, and if you don't tipper it it isn't as strong.Fully charged tipper fsmash is actually just a little bit stronger
BacklashMarth
Smash Lord
Shieldbreaker = more knockback, always fresh, easier to tip/super tip
Fsmash = probably more decayed than shieldbreaker depending on playstyle, tipper takes more skill
no contest, after a shieldbreak, shieldbreaker is the way to go
Fsmash = probably more decayed than shieldbreaker depending on playstyle, tipper takes more skill
no contest, after a shieldbreak, shieldbreaker is the way to go
Pr0phetic
Dodge the bullets!
Go read the Brawl+ Code listing or future codes and codes in the working. Brawl's default shield, which they call "Perfect Perfect Shield" reflects projectiles.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Does tipping a shield breaker on a shield decay more shield? I asked in the Q&A thread but didn't get a sure answer.
What? We're aiming for that? I'm pretty sure it was decided against. Kupo barely updates that OP. :/
No, shield breaker does not have more knock back than tipper fsmash.
Also even if you miss the first charged fsmash you should have time to do another one.
Villi
Smash Lord
Is that true even if they're mashing out of shield breaker stun?
If you knock someone off the ledge with say a rising fair, would you be able to dair spike if you followed them off?
If they're on low damage and you shieldbreak them, it's actually better to do a fully charged upsmash.
I think the max damage for it is like 33%, tis be good yah. I say this knowing fully charged shieldbreaker tipper or not won't be killing Snake from the centre of the stage at like 30%; most likely.
I think the max damage for it is like 33%, tis be good yah. I say this knowing fully charged shieldbreaker tipper or not won't be killing Snake from the centre of the stage at like 30%; most likely.
Kishin
Smash Ace
Couldn't they DI out of the full U-smash though?
not if you're ontop of them...
I'm sorry people, I didn't realise this thread was here, and I posted a Q in the quick question thread that would probably be better here...
In short: Ledgedrop->Reverse SB on the head of an MK starting a side-B recovery? = Downward tajectory? (no Wii)
Could someone smart decide where it belongs and delete the other please?
In short: Ledgedrop->Reverse SB on the head of an MK starting a side-B recovery? = Downward tajectory? (no Wii)
Could someone smart decide where it belongs and delete the other please?
Kishin
Smash Ace
Well, I remembered trying out a full U-smash after a shield break once and I got as close to possible as them and yet they flew across the other side of the stage with only the 1st hit box hitting (marth's foot?) It seems that the hit box on marth's foot launches them up to the blade and maybe it was SDI that they were able to miss the blade. This is just a random newb blubbering crap out though pretending to know the mechanics of brawl.
Yeah, I've seen it happen, but I assumed in most cases it was at the max range of Marth's feet that it happened :S, maybe not.
BBoyindo
Smash Ace
You know, i had tested some little things sometime ago, and i found that out too. At lower % when standing faced to them, an up smash will only make the foot connect. When facing with your back towards your opponent the up smash will hit, both with the feet hitbox, and with the sword. Not sure if it does the same % though.