The Tunes Monthlies - Canceled Indefinetely

[HazZarD]

i remember when eggm used to fight peach or jiggs id tell him "he's gonna counterpick this or this" and he would say "yea i know, ill just have to win game 1 or else im ****ed." That isnt fair, period.

And the quote of the year goes to......

*Drum Roll*

Jfox!!

 

[Eggm]

Eggm - will you be using the Spoc rules everytime? plz let me know.

Yeah probably. Its not like you've attended any yet anyway.

 

[JFox]

yo eggm i just decided that im not goin to saffron, so find a new teammate

 

[Cia]

Yeah probably. Its not like you've attended any yet anyway.

true. and i've had pretty legit reasons for not going. But this doesn't give me anymore incentive to go either. Granted my only counterpick lately has been FD or FoD, I won't even have those because people still get a ban even with only 7 legal stages =/

Pro tip: the more you more you restrict, the smaller your target consumer becomes.

 

[blast_ssbb]

wat is this spoc ruleset ur talking about? from vanz post i got that its only neutrals plus one other stage? plz clarify

 

[Teczer0]

wat is this spoc ruleset ur talking about? from vanz post i got that its only neutrals plus one other stage? plz clarify

6 standard neutrals + Kongo Jungle 64.

Using the stage strike system.

 

[CanISmash]

im going to spoc cause its big and local, and im going to pound... but anywhere else with these stupid rulesets my word im not attending. -_-

last time i played here i played at eggms tourney, when mango came and didn't enter singles i played two jiggs.... lost match 1, cp'ed stadium, taken to brinstar and one. then the next jiggs i beat on neutral + brinstar. i was kinda proud, these cp's aren't autowins... people need to man up. but yeah, not attending.

 

[Teczer0]

I thought Pound 4 was going to use the regular CP rules and stuff......?

 

[CanISmash]

naa it is im just saying those are two tourneys im def going to. pound 4 was trying to ban mute city but i think its either debatable or its back on i cant remember haven't checked the thread. mad people johnning cause they cant fight jiggs and peaches changing the ruleset

naaa nm mute city + green greens still banned.

 

[blast_ssbb]

those rules sound ********. leave counterpicks plz.

 

[Teczer0]

those rules sound ********. leave counterpicks plz.

LOL

Benny is always mad blunt with everything

 

[JFox]

for the record, im for CP stages, I just want to get rid of Green Greens, Mute City, Corneria, maybe pokefloats cuz running away from someone in that stage is too gay. bowser literally cant do anything there if a fox laser camped.

but than that just leaves a few- brinstar, jungle japes, kongo jungle, and rainbow cruise...plus the neutrals. now brin is pretty one sided, japes is very random due to crocks so some people call too much luck, kongo is imo the fairest although it does suck for a grapple grabber, and cruise is pretty biased in fox's favor.

so all neutrals is really the most practical way of running a tourney imo. im good with whatever tho as long as they ban corneria cuz that stage is ****in homo.

 

[GOTM]

who the **** cares about CP's, its still smash. if your better your going to win regardless.

 

[Eggm]

Vanz/canismash just stay home then. No one is telling you not to play CP's in mm's or friendlies. Green greens favor fox/peach just way too much and are being banned at pound 4 and stuff. Kongo jungle is on during these rules. So are you really not gonna come cause you can't play on corneria brinstar pokefloats and rainbow cruise and jungle japes? 5 stages? I don't even think floats/cruise are legal in doubles. That's lame man up. Its mostly just fox running around shooting vs a floaty then getting hit once and getting murdered its boring as hell. All those stages do is delay the tournament and take away from the spirit of the game.

And lets face it you won't come unless g$ gives you a ride vanz. So he'll still fill his car up regardless. As much as I'd like to see you at a Tunes biweekly supporting your crew I'm not gonna change my rules just for you.

 

[CT Chia]

I feel that if something doesn't fit the competitive nature of the game, then it shouldn't belong. While they might not be "banworthy," it detracts from the overall experience and the rest of the game as a whole. Watch a match on any neutral or some of the CPs and compare it to a fox match on PokeFloats. Notice anything different? The game has completely changed from a battle to a running away camp fest. If you wish to hold a tournament that shows who is better at camping, then have a stage list where the only stages are Hyrule Temple, PokeFloats, Brinstar Depths, etc. If you wish to have a tournament to judge skill and excellence at the game, use the Spoc Stage Rules (or something similar). It baffles me that some people try so hard to defend such campy stages yet they hate games like Brawl.

 

[SwiftBass]

this will solve everything:

no items
CF only
Final destinationONNETT

if you use the car to combo into a falcon punch the receiver of this godly gesture has to resign from the set and super smash bros melee for the gamecube nintendo(as in get in their car and leave the tourney and never play again)

 

[GOTM]

people are taking this **** too serious its not even that big of a deal. honestly in most tournament sets theres not much CP stages played anyway, and when there are it always feels like the game has changed from you playing the player to you playing the players stage choice, which is ********.

if your better then your opponent, you should be able to win no matter what stage is played on, period, and if any stage makes this not happen, it should be banned. thats why we play this game competitively. go back to playing and1 streetball if you dont wanna play by the rules.

and it doesnt make the game less "fun" at all. the fun part about what we do is develop this game to the point it has been developed to, and create such a competitive atmosphere over something that many people would consider ******** and worthless, but we know it isnt. if thats not why you have fun playing smash than dont go to tournaments, because thats not what they are about.

these rules are going to further the game, playing it the old way will not. period. and thats the only thing we are here for.

 

[SwiftBass]

and1 streetball if you dont wanna play by the rules.

I like the analogy

 

[HazZarD]

this will solve everything:

no items
CF only
Final destinationONNETT

if you use the car to combo into a falcon punch the receiver of this godly gesture has to resign from the set and super smash bros melee for the gamecube nintendo(as in get in their car and leave the tourney and never play again)

LMFAO!!!

 

[Eggm]

Thanks for the support guys.

 

[CanISmash]

gotm has been out of the scene for far too long. Hell I use gay cp'
s once in a while and lose i just dont like this logic of just getting rid of all of them so i'm gonna voice my opinion on the matter. the c.falcon bit was funny but yeah... we're really gonna further a game that has been out for 8 years by taking things away from it. and no the point of the counterpick system is to get an advantage.

whens the last time a fox beat someone significantly better on green greens? when's the last time someone beat anyone we know on green greens... exactly. if you dont ban mute city when you play peach and you've played this game for more than 2 years you should get slapped across the mouth or just not john.

green greens and floats are the only two stages i deem banworthy, and still i rather play through it. yall act like yall are idiots or something. one of my first tournies for this game i watched starz on corneria..... guess what i learned 2 weeks into the game.... to ban corneria vs him. like you dont know ban brinstar or mute vs vanz. or ban floats vs spam. 1 match it took to realize to ban floats vs xyz. and if they go to the alternative pick your poison and man up or learn a secondary.


but honestly whatever im done with this thread and i've said my piece.

 

[prog]

gotm has been out of the scene for far too long. Hell I use gay cp'
s once in a while and lose i just dont like this logic of just getting rid of all of them so i'm gonna voice my opinion on the matter. the c.falcon bit was funny but yeah... we're really gonna further a game that has been out for 8 years by taking things away from it. and no the point of the counterpick system is to get an advantage.

whens the last time a fox beat someone significantly better on green greens? when's the last time someone beat anyone we know on green greens... exactly. if you dont ban mute city when you play peach and you've played this game for more than 2 years you should get slapped across the mouth or just not john.

green greens and floats are the only two stages i deem banworthy, and still i rather play through it. yall act like yall are idiots or something. one of my first tournies for this game i watched starz on corneria..... guess what i learned 2 weeks into the game.... to ban corneria vs him. like you dont know ban brinstar or mute vs vanz. or ban floats vs spam. 1 match it took to realize to ban floats vs xyz. and if they go to the alternative pick your poison and man up or learn a secondary.


but honestly whatever im done with this thread and i've said my piece.

go to class.

 

[CanISmash]

^ interview. also son how are we getting to pound. also (925): 2 v-cards in one night. impossible is nothing. (636): So Jesus turned water into wine. So what? I once turned a whole student loan into natty light. Your move holy man.


i finished at 12 douchebag. lol

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you dont have too.. she also has brinstar. this is if you're afraid and wanna john rather than learn a stage or character. jiggz beats peach mc... and they both do well on brinstar.

fox has floats, cruise, green greens, corneria.

mute city, teaches spacing, and gives reason not to make mistakes. thats what i prefer to learn.

marth is taking a spacies to fd everytime should i cry about having ot ban fd, then he goes yoshis?

 

[GOTM]

if you dont ban mute city when you play peach and you've played this game for more than 2 years you should get slapped across the mouth or just not john.

I shouldn't HAVE to ban mute city vs. a Peach, that's the thing. Why does Peach deserve that stage where she will automatically go and ONLY BECAUSE OF THE STAGE have a better match if not win it when she shouldn't.

Why should we have to waste bans on such garbage outcomes as that?

 

[blast_ssbb]

Counterpicks r no where near as strong as you are trying to make them out to be.

U cant deter camping by removing stages. You want to make ur freaking tournament shorter, lower the timer. good players play till 4-5 mins anyways even without camping. that argument is stupid. You also cant force how YOU want to play the game on to other ppl.

Camping is part of the game, fox is not the only char in the game that camps. very few marths or shieks ever charge across the stage to attack u, they camp the edge trying to gimp u. peach and jiggs also play defensively. stop acting like spam on floats is the only camping that exists. this ruleset frankly favors spacies+ capt who can approach on neutrals without fear of getting abused like they would on floats/mute/brinstar. those stages do NOT give chars'an autowin, but more even the playing field when char matchups r highly in one chars favor.

The people bring up exhibit A). Rock Crock vs Pink Shinobi happend on a stage that u still deam legal.

frankly i dont see how u can say u want more ppl to come then when the ppl that havent been able to come yet (i was goin to come not myf ault that my ride blew up his car 3 days b4 the tourney) talk about the tournament u say F*CK you u havent come to one yet. im prob not coming at all anymore to any of these cuz of this hard headed logic.

btw i main spacies. i know the adv-disadvantages on each stage. and i much rather have floats japes and corneria viable to me while having to deal wit mute and brinstar than have to fight shiek/jiggs/ marth on stages where they have an adv. lose game one on the ONE neutral in ur favor and wat auto lose game 2 cuz marth gets auto tippers on the other 4 stages? lol good joke. or i guess jiggs being able to ban yoshis and have 6 stages where she excels at is cool. LOL this ruleset is a joke.

 

[Cia]

It's about having my options. It's gay as hell when the only COUNTER PICKS! you have are stages that do not work in your favor. By definition, a COUNTER PICK is supposed to allow the user to have the temporary advantage. if I win on my COUNTER PICK, then my opponent now gets his/her COUNTER PICK.

what's boring is going into a match knowing you'll have to play 3x better than your opponent just to win by setting skillful traps and brilliant punishes. all they have to do is throw **** and Nair. THAT's boring. Boredom works both ways. you just change the rules so that you have the advantage in every possible situation. So you can't use boring as an excuse.

And You say that if Steve and I don't like it, we should't go. Then we won't go. and you'll notice other people aren't going. and you're going to pissed off not understanding why you can't put together a 16 man bracket. And don't throw around that 'not supporting your crew' crap. I'm not going to support ANYTHING that charges me $45.00+ for 6 hrs of public trans, gas, tolls, and a disadvantageous tounemant.

 

[GOTM]

First of all I want to know where that definition is written. Second of all, a counter pick in my opinion is a stage in which you are more comfortable playing on, prefer playing on, or have gotten a decent amount of practice on, and you just happen to like it more than the rest.

It should not offer your character or you an advantage in any other way but that.

 

[blast_ssbb]

First of all I want to know where that definition is written. Second of all, a counter pick in my opinion is a stage in which you are more comfortable playing on, prefer playing on, or have gotten a decent amount of practice on, and you just happen to like it more than the rest.

It should not offer your character or you an advantage in any other way but that.

LOL is that a joke? whats the point of letting me pick the stage if it doesnt give me an advantage? just be like 2d fighters where winner stays same char and gets their char counterpicked cuz the stages dont affect the match at all.

COUNTER picking is about countering ur opponents playstyle/char/ ANYTHING really to give urself the advantage in match 2. if you could win on even footing you wouldve won on the neutral that u got round 1. instead u want someone who maybe has a char disadvantage or a stage disadvantage to lose over and over cuz all the stages r the same, and if they switch chars u can too or u prob still have the advantage AKA fox, marth,shiek, capt.

 

[Cia]

I shouldn't HAVE to ban mute city vs. a Peach, that's the thing. Why does Peach deserve that stage where she will automatically go and ONLY BECAUSE OF THE STAGE have a better match if not win it when she shouldn't.

Why should we have to waste bans on such garbage outcomes as that?

BECAUSE THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE BANS!! TO REMOVE THE STAGE YOU DON'T LIKE!

if all the stages are going to be neutral* then why have bans? all neutrals are FAIR, RIGHT?!

*neu·tral (ntrl, ny-)
adj.
1. Not aligned with, supporting, or favoring either side in a war, dispute, or contest.
2. Belonging to neither side in a controversy: on neutral ground.
3. Belonging to neither kind; not one thing or the other.

 

[GOTM]

Honestly if it was up to me every tournament would be this.

Pokemon Stadium, Final Destination, Battlefield, Dreamland, and Yoshi's Story.

No bans, no johns, play it out.

 

[Cia]

even FoD isn't there..

i'm done

 

[Teczer0]

Vanz/canismash just stay home then. No one is telling you not to play CP's in mm's or friendlies. Green greens favor fox/peach just way too much and are being banned at pound 4 and stuff. Kongo jungle is on during these rules. So are you really not gonna come cause you can't play on corneria brinstar pokefloats and rainbow cruise and jungle japes? 5 stages? I don't even think floats/cruise are legal in doubles. That's lame man up. Its mostly just fox running around shooting vs a floaty then getting hit once and getting murdered its boring as hell. All those stages do is delay the tournament and take away from the spirit of the game.

And lets face it you won't come unless g$ gives you a ride vanz. So he'll still fill his car up regardless. As much as I'd like to see you at a Tunes biweekly supporting your crew I'm not gonna change my rules just for you.

Lets face it...

You have ZERO knowledge on CP stages except that you LOSE on them.

Is it our fault that we can completely **** you and ONLY you on CP stages?

Peach gains about NO advantage from Green Greens unless your opponent is a stupid brainless moron that feels like fighting on the side for the entire game when instead they can just kill her upwards.

You can camp on neutral stages too. Its just that camping becomes a little more viable rather than attacking on these stages.

Disliking for camping is not reasonable grounds to completely eliminate them from tournament play.

I feel that if something doesn't fit the competitive nature of the game, then it shouldn't belong. While they might not be "banworthy," it detracts from the overall experience and the rest of the game as a whole. Watch a match on any neutral or some of the CPs and compare it to a fox match on PokeFloats. Notice anything different? The game has completely changed from a battle to a running away camp fest. If you wish to hold a tournament that shows who is better at camping, then have a stage list where the only stages are Hyrule Temple, PokeFloats, Brinstar Depths, etc. If you wish to have a tournament to judge skill and excellence at the game, use the Spoc Stage Rules (or something similar). It baffles me that some people try so hard to defend such campy stages yet they hate games like Brawl.

So whats your definition of "Skill"?

Clearly it seems that its being able to play characters on one of the neutral stages.

Skill is EXTREMELY broad just so you know.

What you are doing by eliminating CP stages is giving character specialists an advantage. Because its definitely not showing who has more overall skill.

Character diversity is DEFINITELY a skill and it should be rewarded in SOME way. Not ridiculously but you're taking away the purpose of players playing multiple characters.

Poke floats gives an advantage to fox but its definitely NOT allowing fox to use an unbeatable strategy.

Armada a PEACH beat Lucky or Lunin (One of those foxes) on Floats.

You know why? Because Armada probably wasn't brain dead at the time and realized that even though its going to be hard to win it. Its POSSIBLE.

So then why not allow Hyrule temple?

Because Hyrule temple makes camping 99.999999999999999999999999999% unbeatable because of the insanely large space. Floats is a big stage but if you ever PLAYED on the stage you would know that it moves and that you can eventually force your opponent to come toward you.

In other words its not unbeatable which is why it was always left on.

You might be able to ban it to eliminate SOME pro fox stages but don't go and eliminate everything.

for the record, im for CP stages, I just want to get rid of Green Greens, Mute City, Corneria, maybe pokefloats cuz running away from someone in that stage is too gay. bowser literally cant do anything there if a fox laser camped.

but than that just leaves a few- brinstar, jungle japes, kongo jungle, and rainbow cruise...plus the neutrals. now brin is pretty one sided, japes is very random due to crocks so some people call too much luck, kongo is imo the fairest although it does suck for a grapple grabber, and cruise is pretty biased in fox's favor.

so all neutrals is really the most practical way of running a tourney imo. im good with whatever tho as long as they ban corneria cuz that stage is ****in homo.

I'm sorta with Jfox and sorta not.

I think green greens, jungle japes are atrocities. They are some of the worst stages and they probably don't deserve to see the light of competitive play. But thats because they are random.

Its very difficult to predict the hazzards for green greens and it continually creates a wall for you to hide.

Jungle jape's hazard is too stupid. You shouldn't lose a stock cuz you fell into the hazard skill is obscured from random events like klaptraps and random appearing walls that don't move.

Brinstar is definitely nowhere even close of an auto win for peach. Like.... just no. I can't even think of a reason why people think its so unfairly balanced in her favor.

The lava is VERY predictable and you probably won't get assraped by it so much if you ever PLAYED on the stage. Hell you can use it to your advantage by using it to help yourself recover.

I can understand people's dislike for CP stages but its not very realistic to eliminate ALL of them.

You don't like floats, or Mute City? Fine I understand that you don't like it and that because you've never played on the stage once in your life you don't understand how to approach things.

But don't take it away from people who take the 4 mins to LEARN the stage and how to use it to their advantage.

 

[GOTM]

My bad FOD should have been in that list I just forgot.

the funny thing is you guys who dont support these rules either better learn to support them, or just never go to tourneys. im highly considering making my future tournaments run this ruleset as well, and chibo said he was also.

thats like MOST if not ALL of the tournaments in the area with this ruleset, so either go, stfu, and play, or stop *****ing and dont come.

 

[Teczer0]

My bad FOD should have been in that list I just forgot.

the funny thing is you guys who dont support these rules either better learn to support them, or just never go to tourneys. im highly considering making my future tournaments run this ruleset as well, and chibo said he was also.

thats like MOST if not ALL of the tournaments in the area with this ruleset, so either go, stfu, and play, or stop *****ing and dont come.

LOL dude.... not gonna lie.

This was probably one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

WHY THE **** DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE ARGUING ABOUT THIS SO MUCH?

This proposed ruleset is stupid and the purpose of us arguing is to PROVE to you its dumb so you can CHANGE the ruleset.

Yea, maybe our current ruleset is not fullproof. But I definitely will fight against this ruleset so I don't HAVE to consider quitting.

 

[Cia]

My bad FOD should have been in that list I just forgot.

the funny thing is you guys who dont support these rules either better learn to support them, or just never go to tourneys. im highly considering making my future tournaments run this ruleset as well, and chibo said he was also.

thats like MOST if not ALL of the tournaments in the area with this ruleset, so either go, stfu, and play, or stop *****ing and dont come.

that's not a problem. but you're telling a good percentage of a rather small community not to go to your tournaments. after the first wave of people stop going, the next group that is sick of the monotony, and round robin teams with an $80.00 pot will quit. You'll get no OoS support because you can't show decent numbers. Pretty soon, your tournaments will just be you, Eggm, Scar, Chibo, and maybe cactus.

good one

 

[Heart Break Kid]

**** is getting serious

 

[Eggm]

You guys clearly have the wrong idea why me and scar want to do this. You think we are just trying to get an advantage but your wrong. We just want the game to be more fun/fair for everyone. Which this ruleset allows. We are still going to win all the sets we would normally win and you wanna know why? We arent little scared pansy *******s like you guys are being. We are actually GOOD enough to win on neutrals which you need to win the overall set anyway. We've both won money at national tournaments. Scar got 5th at genesis for christ sakes. I've made money at pound 3, FAST1, AND Georgia. You guys say step it up learn other chars or CP stages. I say step it up learn the characters are supposivley "good" on neutrals and learn the fin neutrals *****es.

see how it feels?

 

[Cia]

You guys clearly have the wrong idea why me and scar want to do this. You think we are just trying to get an advantage but your wrong. We just want the game to be more fun/fair for everyone. Which this ruleset allows. We are still going to win all the sets we would normally win and you wanna know why? *We are little scared pansy *******s like you guys are being. We are actually GOOD enough to win on neutrals which you need to win the overall set anyway. We've both won money at national tournaments. Scar got 5th at genesis for christ sakes. I've made money at pound 3, FAST1, AND Georgia. You guys say step it up learn other chars or CP stages. **I say step it up learn the characters are supposivley "good" on neutrals and learn the fin neutrals *****es.

*Really Eggm? Insults? And who needs to be good enough on stages they already have the advantage on. You are ****ING EVERYTHING UP. the ruleset we had was NOT perfect. But it did allow alot more characters to be tournament viable than that ****ty *** ruleset is allowing. On a flat 2D street fighter level, characters like Peach and Jigglypuff are not as good as Fox and Falco. So even if they're on the same level as their opponent, they have to try harder to win. And if it needs to come to a counterpick to turn the tide a little bit, SO BE IT. You will get your turn to swing it BACK in your favor. WHY DO JUST DISMISS THAT PART OF THE COUNTERPICK SYSTEM?!

**.. are you ****ing serious? was that a serious ****ing response? Yo, that right there just made you one of the lowest people i know. And I'm one of few that defends you when EVERYONE complains about how selfish you are.

You're basically saying that everyone around you should switch characters to make them better suited to the rules YOU like. And by inventing words like "supposivley," you try and deny that your character doesn't have said advantages? UN-****ING-REAL.

And by the way, you're definition of "fun/fair," is having the advantage in EVERY POSSIBLE way against someone who doesn't play Fox. The old/ widely accepted ruleset made it so that playing lesser characters wasn't so bad thus creating "character diversity"

edit: not entirely sure i used 'thus' correctly, but i really wanted to use it. so THUS!

 

[SwiftBass]

damm tec0 trying to get off. Thats the most I have ever seen him type in a post EVAR



while I still am on fence about the ruleset, I have NO idea why this has not been brought up yet. Defense available for the side arguing that the stages should be left the way they are incoming.......


pound4, the largest tourney of all time thats drawing some of the most international attention since the FC is keeping the old rule stage set (with a few tweaks). It would be highly unlikely for plank to change it to scars ruleset and if he did there'd be such an out burst that they'd be changed back(look at all the post and arguments 4 and against scars ruleset between tristate. Imagine everyone arguing).

What Im getting to is that if the majority of tristate(which will probly make up a pivotal part of crews) decides to use scars ruleset and IT STICKS, we could be potentially putting ourselves at a disadvantage not having played on the CP stages from the point that Scar's ruleset "sticks" and when pound4 starts. I once again dun care about the material of the two arguments but in this case I am questioning the ruleset's potential to effect tristate's ability at pound.

just thinking ahead cuz pound is kind of a big deal. And how will this effect ROM2?

/wonder

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i'm execluding myself from this cuz I have Tim's back like almost all the time

 

[Cia]

swift - i can understand scar wanting to change his ruleset. and that was because no other tournament in our area uses it. fine, all tournaments don't have to be the same. It's probably better if they aren't. but if everyone sees that as a green light to change the rules for ALL immediate tournaments, then it's a problem. (for reasons stated again and again)

bottom line, changing the rules that much will shake this community again. And it most likely won't survive this time.