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The Top Ten Videos of Each Character
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vato_break
Smash Master
USA is better by far 
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
don't be stupidUSA is better by far
Greward
Smash Lord
supermodel from paris, i aint flaming on portugal but they are somehow underlevel compared to europe
im hope u wont be mad at me portugal guys, u are nice =P but yea dont think of portugal's skills as the european ones because they hardly can pass pools at spanish tournaments, and spain is the worst one nowadays from the big countries (France, Germany, Netherlands, UK, Spain), actually im not sure if we're even into "the big countries group" lol
sorry if there's some more big country i havent named but thats how i see it now
im hope u wont be mad at me portugal guys, u are nice =P but yea dont think of portugal's skills as the european ones because they hardly can pass pools at spanish tournaments, and spain is the worst one nowadays from the big countries (France, Germany, Netherlands, UK, Spain), actually im not sure if we're even into "the big countries group" lol
sorry if there's some more big country i havent named but thats how i see it now
vato_break
Smash Master
how does that make me stupid? it would make me ignorant but, not stupid LOL my statement still stand though USA da besss
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Lol. I've never seen an EU ICs, so they all have match-up johns I'd think. Still... If a japanese IC came to one of their tournaments they'd get wrecked so hard, where as I don't think US players would.That's why they have problems with basic 09 ICs who just blizzard and grab, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXELThrL7vE
ErikG
Smash Ace
I think the problem is because every EU Marth video is pretty much pure aggro, and here in NA the playstyle that developed is based on safety and better defensive positioning. So the super offensive aggro playstyle just seems out of place and feels like it shouldn't be that effective to American viewers.
Both EU and NA have good Marths. I do not feel any are better, but I find EU to be far more entertaining.
Both EU and NA have good Marths. I do not feel any are better, but I find EU to be far more entertaining.
Greward
Smash Lord
@vato_break: USA is probably better but u cant say it because there arent facts to support it.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
I am aware, Greward. In Portugal I am probably a top 2 player (I have not played NatP yet, I hear he's good, but I was able to beat everyone else pretty convincingly last Thursday after some practice with them) but in the US I am barely above average, and my tourney placings are crap because I have awful nerves in tourney.
But don't sleep on Portuguese players, there are players here with lots of potential. They need exposure to the rest of Europe, but BigLord in particular has a really impressive Marth and Falcon. Also there's a new player here, is ridiculously good given he has only been playing a little while from what I've been told.
And yeah the community here is super nice.
In Portugal I am probably a top 2 player (I have not played NatP yet, I hear he's good, but I was able to beat everyone else pretty convincingly last Thursday after some practice with them) but in the US I am barely above average, and my tourney placings are crap because I have awful nerves in tourney. But don't sleep on Portuguese players, there are players here with lots of potential. They need exposure to the rest of Europe, but BigLord in particular has a really impressive Marth and Falcon. Also there's a new player here, is ridiculously good given he has only been playing a little while from what I've been told.
And yeah the community here is super nice.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Yeah, personally I love Germany's players, mainly because they have like two sheiks there, and some good others too.
Yeah, ICs would probably fix Euro's aggro and neutral stage metagame pretty quickly
Yeah, ICs would probably fix Euro's aggro and neutral stage metagame pretty quickly
Luigi player
Smash Master
Sure, because EU = Glutonny and Leon only.
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
In Leon's recent set with that ICs player he wrecked him pretty hard, so I wouldn't say that. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvh_w9M1Pw
He didn't do it by camping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvh_w9M1Pw
He didn't do it by camping.
FranceYeah, ICs would probably fix Euro's aggro and neutral stage metagame pretty quickly
FRANCE
FRANCE
F-R-A-N-C-E
It's France, not "EU" or "Euro".
Alphicans
Smash Hero
They are two of probably the top 3 in europe. Sorry for assuming that the best players.... are the best players. Lol?
I guess, but that ICs (at least just by watching) isn't nearly as good as any of the good japanese ICs, and even the top US ICs.In Leon's recent set with that ICs player he wrecked him pretty hard, so I wouldn't say that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvh_w9M1Pw
He didn't do it by camping.
I really don't like bringing this up in general metagame threads or whatever, but why would you drag Portugal into this?I am aware, Greward.
Also didn't you lose more than win against BigLord? You're also forgetting another portuguese player, if you want to know who just post in the portuguese social.
Bottom line is that I'm aware Portugal is bad, this is news to nobody. I'm painfully aware of how inept I am every time I play the game.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Meep before he quit. He's the reason M2k even invented scr00ging because he was gonna lose if he didn't do it lol. Beat both Adhd and Ally in the past. Etc...US has no "top" level ICs .... and you guys would get ***** by japanese ICs just as much lol
Edit: And just because they are two of the 3 most successfull players doesn't mean they can play all match-ups well.
Luigi player
Smash Master
The best players aren't necessary the best players in every MU. Especially if the MU is so much different than every other one.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
In the same tournament this happened:In Leon's recent set with that ICs player he wrecked him pretty hard, so I wouldn't say that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNvh_w9M1Pw
He didn't do it by camping.
Fastest first matches I ever saw, and not in the good way lol.That's why they have problems with basic 09 ICs who just blizzard and grab, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXELThrL7vE
Also notice that in these matches, he didn't drop CGs.
@Gheb: Dully noted, I was under the assumption that most of EU's players like BluB and the like vie for a more offensive approach.
Although we do have good ICs here, Ally, Vex, Vinnie, and Hylian are pretty legit. Maybe not on JP's caliber, but enough so that we aren't completely clueless against stuff like blizzard walls (how do I shot SDI?) and basic desynch shenanigans.
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Well Lain is off and on, but he's very consistent in terms of placings. 9th at Apex and I know he always gets top placings at nationals/regionals/locals.
Meep actually came back to a tourney a month ago and destroyed Inui, Takeover, and Speed to get 5th. He lost to Junebug (Lucario is hard for ics
) and Malcolm (I don't think he's played a Wario as good as Malcolm).
Alphicans
Smash Hero
Yeah the IC's metagame in the US is to pretty much have them as a co-main, and have the other main good on all of their bad stages. This way you get a free **** CP no matter what.
So I don't think any of the ICs in the US are really close to the japanese ICs, but definitely better than what I saw from that european IC.
Jimmyfosho
Smash Hero
dammm I miss when this thread was about the best vids of each character.
BluB is a lot campier than he appears, mainly because of how fluid he is and how he likes to go for the Dacus in certain situations. Ramin's list from above gives you a pretty good idea on the players who prefer defensive play over aggression ... and the only frenchies in that list are MK players.
Our doubles meta-game isn't really far advanced at all imo.
What EU ICs have you seen other than Myollnir who is really young and has very little tourney experience?
Let's not draw hasty conclusions. The only thing we *know* for sure is that Myollnir has not been playing well in these videos and it's apparent that Leon and Glutonny aren't good at the match-up.
And based on that [2-3 videos!] you conclude that *all* of EU sucks against IC, that we have no good IC players and are generally too aggressive to deal with them.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Doesn't istudying use ICs, or did he drop them?
He dropped them as main long ago and only used them as pocket 2nd ... I haven't seen him actually use them since last summer.
But he's also one of those players from Europe that can be quite campy alongside Gregs. And T!
But he's also one of those players from Europe that can be quite campy alongside Gregs. And T!
Greward
Smash Lord
ok guys lets see a gluttony and leon vid
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now we know everything about europe yay
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we dont really play doubles too much, at least spain doesnt
hate ya too ramin
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now we know everything about europe yay
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we dont really play doubles too much, at least spain doesnt
hate ya too ramin
loool , "gluttony is bad vs iceys" that makes all top europe players bad man , i know for a fact that peirce says glutony will get ***** by all decent d3s and iceys in u.s , probs not true after all it comes from peirce but i know im good vs d3 and iceys so let zorz camp away and **** them desync's SON
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
Okay guys, this is getting too much. Let's just settle on some facts here. At least from the videos that seem to get put up, Europe has a MUCH more aggro style. This would explain why these recent videos show better players going pretty even with a worse, but still very solid ICs player. We'll have to wait and see who has the better Marths and ****, but it's ridiculous to claim that any of you know just from videos of people fighting their own continents. God though you people.
Boofy!
Smash Champion
whaddaya mean YOU people?
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
Dude, you're from Spain, right?ok guys lets see a gluttony and leon vid
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now we know everything about europe yay
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we dont really play doubles too much, at least spain doesnt
hate ya too ramin
Get more footage of Edu, that guy's sheik is sexy.
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
All will be decided at Apex 2012Okay guys, this is getting too much. Let's just settle on some facts here. At least from the videos that seem to get put up, Europe has a MUCH more aggro style. This would explain why these recent videos show better players going pretty even with a worse, but still very solid ICs player. We'll have to wait and see who has the better Marths and ****, but it's ridiculous to claim that any of you know just from videos of people fighting their own continents. God though you people.
Edit: Ninja'd by the guy who's free v. Diddy Kong ;P
...Weak AMERICAN damage.
Europe and aggression.
Europe and aggression.